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##Vote Ninjabunnies it's because he wrote "XD" | ||
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On May 27 2014 18:36 gobbledydook wrote: ??? Did you become crazy after getting ##Nuked in that other game? Do you not think this is a valid case? At least you have to explain to me why you disagree. I think it's a pretty strong case. I should add that I combine it with the "ugh" from his first post, oh and his plea that "can we now hunt some scum?". Seems pretty ironclad to me. | ||
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On May 27 2014 18:41 gobbledydook wrote: No I don't think that's a valid case, I think you're trolling. I'm not, why do you think I'm trolling. Granted, I'm only about 2 pages or so into the game as we speak, + skimming Ninja's filter. But I feel pretty good about this. Could you elaborate on why you think I'm trolling? Or at least if there is something you don't understand in my case, ask for an explanation? | ||
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##vote jabberwockzerg To put in clear terms what the problem I, and clearly others, have is: On May 27 2014 11:38 jabberwockzerg wrote: I don't quite follow your logic. You put me on mafia last game, and I screwed up about if that was posted or not, but that makes me mafia this game? No comprende The point isn't that you screwed it up. The point is that you brought up an argument that you already know is invalid. I don't see any motivation for someone who is town to do that. On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote: Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town. Unless you can explain why as town it makes sense for you to throw something you know will not help solve the issue at hand into the mix, we're going to have to lynch you. I'm fine with not doing anything else today. This is better than most day 1 lynch opportunities we get. @jabberwockzerg: if you're somehow town, now is your time to step up. | ||
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On May 27 2014 23:15 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I don't like palmar so far. I do like fuba. Why do you not like me? I am really nice except when I'm not. | ||
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On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote: Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake. He even posted in that QT, so he read it. On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote: Just like this I mean, I know this looks bad but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" Well explain to me what your point was meant to accomplish? I'm all ears buddy. | ||
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On May 28 2014 00:36 jabberwockzerg wrote: Keenly, I was trying to think of everything, leaving no stone upturned. I guess I got trapped under one of these stones Why would you look into things you know to be wrong. That'd be like me scumhunting myself. It makes absolutely no sense. | ||
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On May 28 2014 01:24 27ninjabunnies wrote: Help you as town or as generating the lower tabby? And if as town, how would the concealing of this information be helpful to you? I like this guy now. No longer mafia. | ||
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On May 28 2014 01:24 mderg wrote: I don´t like this lynch at all. I don´t see what he did as alignment indicative because it doesn´t really make sense as either town or scum. So why is it more likely to be done by scum than by town? fuba: Weren´t you against this lynch? Why the vote on jabberwockzerg now? We're lynching this guy if this jabber lynch is wrong for not reading the case and defending him anyway. | ||
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On May 28 2014 06:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Actually, now that I think of it, it would yield more information to kill off jwz. ##Unvote ##Vote: jabberwockzerg Never lynch for information. Lynch your top scumread. | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:42 sqrtofneg1 wrote: My point is this: Huge bandwagons always seem to be town bandwagons. (cruisette mislynch in liii, cav mislynch in liv, sweetfrost mislynch and yellow suspection in lv, OdinofPergo in golden sun) Jwz is my top scum read so far. I was considering pushing a palmar lynch because he's my second scum read, and huge bandwagons always seem to be wrong. While this is certainly a possibility, it doesn't have to be true. If he is mafia he has two allies in town, and it may well be that the team immediately saw what he did as a scumslip with additional knowledge of it being one, and thus immediately distance themselves from the lynch. A bandwagon that forms with unclear or weak reasons and grows quickly is suspicious. It's very clear why this bandwagon is forming. There is plenty of evidence for any townie to just sheep this wagon. So I would ask you not to use associative evidence to discredit the wagon. | ||
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Welcome to my scum tier. | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You've thrown around a lot of suspicions this game. Instead of making a vague statement like this, interpret what it means. If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand. Instead tell us why this is a problem, maybe provide some examples if you're gonna cite his meta. The bolded quote is very much not trying to figure out i's alignment. If MZ thinks there is any chance i is mafia, why is he trying to stop i from digging his own grave under the threat of "if you keep doing this I'll be suspicious of you!!!!". This looks like MZ wants to read i as town, while still looking like he's poking people. | ||
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If you're town, I would have expected this "If you leave it vague like this, you're never going to convince anyone of following your example or agreeing with your read." Because that sentence isn't loaded with agenda, like yours was "If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand." I may be reading too much into this, but it's bad form. If you want to affect his playstyle, don't do it in the same breath as you threaten him with a scumread.. | ||
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On May 28 2014 09:20 jabberwockzerg wrote: 13) Palmar A little scummy, which has been covered but not really at the forefront of my mind. On May 28 2014 10:34 jabberwockzerg wrote: Top Scum: Palamar Just started out weird with the whole ninjabunnies vote and never really did anything top town: any one of the people initially defending me, as most Mafia would want to turn the town against me ASAP What changed? I didn't post anything between those two. | ||
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On May 28 2014 13:55 slOosh wrote: Palmar could you please explain your MZ read more? Which part of it do you not get? "If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand." This is basically saying "If you don't elaborate, you're acting like mafia". When in reality if MZ is town, he shouldn't care whether or not i acts like mafia, but if he is mafia. If MZ is town and thinks i is town his logical explanation should be "If you don't elaborate, you won't convince anyone". Because if MZ thinks i is town, he wouldn't care about i doing something potentially scummy for the sake of it being scummy, and rather because it is not helpful. However if MZ thinks i is mafia, why is he explaining the steps i can take to remove any suspicion MZ might have to him. It's like me saying "hey, you just made a case that is wrong, that is very mafia like. please make another case that is right so I don't have to call you mafia." It's just an absurd way of playing the game. The only reasonable conclusion is that MZ must think i is town, and thus it makes no sense for MZ to point out something i does looks like something mafia does. The reason I created in my head is that MZ knows i is town, and doesn't feel the need to call him mafia right now, but does leave the open-ended suspicion for use later. | ||
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a) I don't care what your perception of me is because I think you're mafia. b) The entire point comes from your interaction with i. Nothing to do with me. So I have no idea what you're on about. | ||
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