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Hello assorted TL people, i've heard terrible things about you. 
Anyway i can't resist the lure of a 30 player game so /in
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Finally caught up. The conclusions i've come up with are...that i need to go filter diving, thing is it's 6am here and i'm too tired to focus on anything properly atm so you'll have to wait for me to post proper reads.
Having said that here's a proper read. Exo (or is it EvO?) is town. Scum wouldn't be stupid enough to point out someone was breadcrumbing a power role in the thread and seeing as he's proved that he's a noob he wouldn't be smart enough to know the WIFOM potential of pointing it out as scum either.
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Not liking Batsnacks atm. His reasons for voting Roundabound are "i don't like hydras" and "He called someone by their nickname" and when Roundabound pointed out his second reason made no sense (Round called someone by their nickname. Calling someone by a nickname is a scum tactic apparently. Therefore Round is scum. A train of thought so wrong i have trouble believing it came naturally as town) he just dismissed it.
On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.
And when Sinani pointed out that his sweeping generalization based on incorrect premises had just as little to do with this game he repeatedly feigned ignorance as opposed to responding to it properly.
Also he thinks ChairmanRay is scum because his posts are "too intelligent and thorough". It's not only a hunch says he has, he's "Leaning heavily toward mafia" on Chairman because his posts are well thought out. What kind of logic is that? Then he backtracks and says that it was a weak read when it clearly wasn't and brings up some game in which a completely different player was doing something completely different to reinforce his read.
##Vote: Batsnacks
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Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving.
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Chrom. You said that your case on Sinani was "a very early-game case, and certainly not cause for a "strong scumread"". If that's the case then how do you explain this post?
On June 11 2014 07:02 Chromatically wrote:Yeah sinani is scum because his mindset doesn't make sense with what he's done. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:31 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:27 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:23 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 Because staying out of the conversation is the best way to be a useful townie. No, asking useful questions and giving reads is. But your question here has no impact on anyone's alignment, and your other question is a soft-defense of Robik for no reason. On June 11 2014 06:22 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well. ##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. Why so defensive? Is explaining a post that someone just voted you for overdefensive? What was your thought process when you asked these questions? I wanted to know the answer because I would react in a similar way if someone voted for me. Maybe more concisely, as I did when you voted for me, perhaps, but it doesn't seem wrong for Round to defend himself. The nicknames = mafia thing was just a waste of time and I was pointing out bat's hypocrisy. According to here, his post was meant to get a read on JAT, based on whether JAT's justification for pressuring round matched up with sinani's own thoughts on round's defense. But JAT (unless I totally missed it) didn't respond to the question. And if JAT is questionable/possible scum to sinani, he would be getting him to answer the question to help him read JAT. And the noncommittal read on JAT is bad in and of itself.
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On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving. Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning.
Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads.
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On June 12 2014 02:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 02:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving. Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning. Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads. Do you think the terrible and illogical is the preserve of only one faction...?
There's terrible and there's terrible and i don't see honest townie idiocy in Bat's read of Round.
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On June 12 2014 02:54 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 02:51 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:41 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 02:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving. Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning. Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads. Do you think the terrible and illogical is the preserve of only one faction...? There's terrible and there's terrible and i don't see honest townie idiocy in Bat's read of Round. I am not understanding this. I be find Batsnacks scum but have specific doubt related to newness and terribleness. Why are you so certain of this read?
He says that using nicknames is a scum tactic to confuse people, something that doesn't make any sense. And then he says that Round is scum because he called someone by their nickname, ignoring the fact that even if the nickname thing is a scum tactic it doesn't automatically make him scum for addressing someone by their nickname. It's wrong on too many levels, at least in my mind.
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On June 12 2014 03:17 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 03:04 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:54 TicaTica wrote:On June 12 2014 02:51 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:41 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 02:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving. Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning. Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads. Do you think the terrible and illogical is the preserve of only one faction...? There's terrible and there's terrible and i don't see honest townie idiocy in Bat's read of Round. I am not understanding this. I be find Batsnacks scum but have specific doubt related to newness and terribleness. Why are you so certain of this read? He says that using nicknames is a scum tactic to confuse people, something that doesn't make any sense. And then he says that Round is scum because he called someone by their nickname, ignoring the fact that even if the nickname thing is a scum tactic it doesn't automatically make him scum for addressing someone by their nickname. It's wrong on too many levels, at least in my mind. Those are things that make think less good rather than scum. Why do you find it different?
Because he's using an incorrect conclusion based off of an incorrect premise and nothing else to push for someone's lynch while ignoring the people that are questioning that read and giving equally terrible reasons why he thinks other people are scum
that make so little sense i have trouble believing they're genuine townie conclusions. It's not just his read on Round but everything he's done since that seems scummy to me.
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On June 12 2014 03:06 Chromatically wrote:
Can everyone at least give a read on Koshi and/or explain whether you agree or disagree with the case?
Null for now. I need to read through both his and your filters carefully before i can come to a proper conclusion.
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On June 12 2014 03:57 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 03:33 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 03:17 TicaTica wrote:On June 12 2014 03:04 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:54 TicaTica wrote:On June 12 2014 02:51 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:41 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 02:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving. Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning. Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads. Do you think the terrible and illogical is the preserve of only one faction...? There's terrible and there's terrible and i don't see honest townie idiocy in Bat's read of Round. I am not understanding this. I be find Batsnacks scum but have specific doubt related to newness and terribleness. Why are you so certain of this read? He says that using nicknames is a scum tactic to confuse people, something that doesn't make any sense. And then he says that Round is scum because he called someone by their nickname, ignoring the fact that even if the nickname thing is a scum tactic it doesn't automatically make him scum for addressing someone by their nickname. It's wrong on too many levels, at least in my mind. Those are things that make think less good rather than scum. Why do you find it different? Because he's using an incorrect conclusion based off of an incorrect premise and nothing else to push for someone's lynch while ignoring the people that are questioning that read and giving equally terrible reasons why he thinks other people are scum that make so little sense i have trouble believing they're genuine townie conclusions. It's not just his read on Round but everything he's done since that seems scummy to me. Cats, I said using nicknames was a scum tactic 30 minutes after the game started. I wasn't being serious about that. That isn't why I'm voting roundabout.
Why are you voting Round then? I didn't see you give any other reasons.
On June 12 2014 03:59 batsnacks wrote:
ebwop : Also it would be cool if you had more specific examples instead of just saying "everything he's done since that seems scummy to me."
If literally everything I do is scummy, it shouldn't be that hard for you to find one more example.
I already said what else i thought was scummy about you in my original post.
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On June 12 2014 21:22 marvellosity wrote:
Like in the 5-10 minutes it took him to write up a post, a couple of pages of thread went by? That doesn't mean more filter diving, that just means reading the thread. It's odd.
Batsnacks filter was the first one i read through, hadn't even started on anyone elses.
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Kush can you actually post something useful instead of just begging for votes?
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On June 12 2014 16:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 16:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2014 16:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 12 2014 15:59 Holyflare wrote:On June 12 2014 15:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:hey, you pointed out my hypocrisy. i guess youve earned an answer then.
i think your push on kush is really shallow and it makes me feel like ive missed something. kind of like last game. lots of your pushes were based on people not doing things and they really bothered me because its an easy agenda for scum to push.
but you were town so what do i know. how do i read thread someone help glob glob glob lets talk in a circle sure okay. So do you actually think HF is scum? nah, im making fun of him.
So you think HF is town yet you unvoted Kush citing HF's reasons being shallow (and presumably scummy because of that) despite the fact that his reasons were exactly the same as yours? Explain.
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On June 12 2014 22:22 marvellosity wrote:
I'm willing to believe it was coincidence.
I wish he would address the meat of my case though (ergo, surely he cannot believe that mafia would genuinely try to use the silly reasons batsnacks did to try to lynch someone). I want that rationalised.
It's not as if i believe he's 100% scum for doing it. When i make cases on people i'm not sure about i exaggerate their scumminess to provoke a reaction. Judging what they and others say about the case helps me deduce people's alignments, it's worked in the past. Plus seeing as no-one was on him at the time i thought it would be a good idea to put him under the spotlight. Sadly Bat's reaction didn't help me get a read on him and i'm only more wary of him for trying to direct blues.
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On June 12 2014 22:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 22:40 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 22:22 marvellosity wrote:
I'm willing to believe it was coincidence.
I wish he would address the meat of my case though (ergo, surely he cannot believe that mafia would genuinely try to use the silly reasons batsnacks did to try to lynch someone). I want that rationalised. It's not as if i believe he's 100% scum for doing it. When i make cases on people i'm not sure about i exaggerate their scumminess to provoke a reaction. Judging what they and others say about the case helps me deduce people's alignments, it's worked in the past. Plus seeing as no-one was on him at the time i thought it would be a good idea to put him under the spotlight. Sadly Bat's reaction didn't help me get a read on him and i'm only more wary of him for trying to direct blues. i don't understand how you can think he is any scum for doing it, let alone 100%. also in what world do mafia direct blues?
He said Haru was breadcrumbing because he said he'd be posting cases N1. That is in no way a breadcrumb of anything and then he tried to get the medic to protect Haru because of it. It could be read as a bad attempt to divert the medic's attention away from more obvious targets.
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On June 12 2014 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
is that how you actually read it then?
Coming from someone that said Round was scum for using a nickname i wouldn't put it past him to try that. The problem is it's difficult to tell if he's bad scum or just bad, that's why i FoS'd him. On their own they're not good enough reasons to lynch him but they count as points against him if he does something blatantly scummy down the road.
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On June 12 2014 23:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 23:26 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
is that how you actually read it then? Coming from someone that said Round was scum for using a nickname i wouldn't put it past him to try that. The problem is it's difficult to tell if he's bad scum or just bad, that's why i FoS'd him. On their own they're not good enough reasons to lynch him but they count as points against him if he does something blatantly scummy down the road. I don't believe you: Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 14:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Having said that here's a proper read. Exo (or is it EvO?) is town. Scum wouldn't be stupid enough to point out someone was breadcrumbing a power role in the thread and seeing as he's proved that he's a noob he wouldn't be smart enough to know the WIFOM potential of pointing it out as scum either. I think you are mafia.
Those situations are completely different. ExO was responding to poofter stating outright that he was seer a few hours into the game, the claim was obviously a joke and Exo responded by telling him not to claim:
On June 11 2014 08:56 ExO_ wrote:
Without being too specific, isn't leaving obvious breadcrumbs this early risky poofter? If you are who you're claiming you'll get taken out right away, and if you don't it makes it more likely that your evil. But anybody could work that much out, so what I'd like to know is why leave a post like that: seems risky if that is your role to put it out in public.
Bats was fishing for information, asking Haru to claim:
On June 12 2014 05:47 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:40 HaruRH wrote:On June 12 2014 05:38 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 05:37 HaruRH wrote:On June 12 2014 05:35 marvellosity wrote:
Haru's general tone is quite different to Detention Mafia actually
Hmm.
*looks at Haru*
hmmmmmm Detention mafia is my first game in TL lol. Nice way to judge. I learnt some stuff over there that is changing my 'meta' a bit. first game or not, the difference is striking. how would you say your 'meta' is changing, then? For example, I've learnt through the death of JWZ that d1 is simply a day to collect info. Thus I'll try all means to collect info on d1, throw it out in a giant ball on n1 or d2 (depending if I survive the night) and home in on targets d2. Haru, did you just claim power role?
Plus he did it after i pointed out the WIFOM potential. Context is key.
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On June 12 2014 23:28 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 23:26 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
is that how you actually read it then? Coming from someone that said Round was scum for using a nickname i wouldn't put it past him to try that. The problem is it's difficult to tell if he's bad scum or just bad, that's why i FoS'd him. On their own they're not good enough reasons to lynch him but they count as points against him if he does something blatantly scummy down the road. Who isREALLY scummy/who do you think should be lynched today?
Kush. He's just fucking around and asking people to lynch him. He's not playing to his town meta at all, if he was he would've questioned people more, tried to ascertain their motives by now instead of doing nothing.
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Well that went as badly as it possibly could've. My scumgame is appalling. 
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