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Amiko
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 Maybe this game will be enough to make me watch some Dr. Who? | ||
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I'll be here most of today. Does anyone want to play doctor~? | ||
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On March 30 2014 06:20 Alakaslam wrote: Xata I self vote for real lol slam my bud you must self vote in the thread | ||
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On March 30 2014 06:43 Alakaslam wrote: He knows I knows he knows having gatorade or wine? I'm following thread but don't have much to say on the meta discussions, will get a little food and come back! | ||
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Amiko
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@Alakaslam: Does your phone recognize the word chupazi? @gumshoe: I am a good companion but I don't really have curves... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nAThRVd.png) | ||
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On March 30 2014 08:51 thrawn2112 wrote: i might policy lynch dr who roleplayers because i cannot understand anything they're talking about Earlier in the week I was going to try to look up some Dr. Who aliens to try to speculate at setups. I have a few ideas but there are so many alien races... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_universe_creatures_and_aliens Pipe people and the pied piper! Pig slave and space pig! I think maybe this game is just an excuse for Xatalos to get us to read his Dr. Who fanfiction :o On March 30 2014 06:00 Xatalos wrote: He whipped out his sonic screwdriver yea gurl | ||
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Amiko
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On March 30 2014 06:54 thrawn2112 wrote: kita why am I voting for rayn? On March 30 2014 07:40 kitaman27 wrote: Voting for buddy vote. I don't like friends. ##Unovte ##Vote thrawn2112 hey kita why is thrawn voting for rayn? | ||
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Amiko
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Initial Comments on raynpelikoneet & alakaslam: It seems to me that most d1 games get going by focusing on some interaction and then working off the reads for that interaction. I posted the comment & question because it seemed like the raynpelikoneet/Alakaslam interaction was a potential focus, but I didn’t understand it enough. To be more specific, I couldn’t tell whether it was early game silliness or actually based on some meta you two have. Asking Kita & Hopeless: I think your question is good (why not ask the people involved to explain) but it wasn’t a good option at that time. I didn’t ask you because you had already gone to sleep. I didn’t ask Alakaslam because I felt I may not understand his response. I picked kitaman27/hopeless because (1) they were in the thread and (2) hopeless’ interactions with you two stuck out a little. I don’t think I considered asking gumshoe since we were being silly at the time. @rayn You say you were in the thread here: On March 30 2014 15:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you see any reason why town!Amiko asks you or Hopeless to clarify my thought process instead of asking me (i was btw in thread aswell)? However, you also said you had left the thread here: On March 30 2014 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: gn guys! Besides the inconsistency, if you were in the thread why didn’t you comment on the situation at the time? Catching up, will make another post or two in a few minutes | ||
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Amiko
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Massclaim On March 30 2014 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who's in for massclaiming? Answer yes or no in your next post. My answer is yes. My answer is no - I don't see many (any?) advantages for this in a closed setup. If it was a serious suggestion then I'm wiling to talk about it, though, and it looks like we are both on. [u]Other Questions @anyone what is LHF? @kitaman27 I don’t see your original vote on thrawn2112 as scummy, but can you explain why you initially withheld your reasons for voting for thrawn (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21085439)? [/i] | ||
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Amiko
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“LHF” It was from a slam post here- On March 30 2014 06:27 Alakaslam wrote: Toad same question. Don't go slandering saying I still don't help town. I'm not gonna be an NK in that yeah I generally suxxor but apparently there is a meta I can't fight so ppl will know im town in time. On the other hand you guys blatantly LHF the first guy Rayn prods- note he didn't vote me himself! Re: voting - I’m considering voting slam - I was rereading him (and saw LHF). I don’t want to vote Slam right now, though: there’s over a day left, slam is already getting pressured, and I’d rather lynch scum than 3rd party survivor. Massclaim On March 31 2014 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I guess this game is highly roled knowing it's Crossfire game and a closed setup with some sort of yak mechanic(s). In games where there are high number of roles massclaiming always benefits town. Always. I agree with the first sentence. I don’t know all the Dr. Who lore but even light wiki + the game description suggests cybermen/scum can probably convert targets to become cybermen/scum. I don’t see how massclaiming helps us, though. In an open setup, it immediately gives you pools of people to vote for – if two people claim cop, then you know one is lying. If more people claim VT than can be VT, you have a nice pool of people to lynch from and may confirm some of your power roles. In a closed setup, though, I am not sure how that is effective. - People can fabricate all sorts of weird roles that may be real given the expansive dr. who universe; - We are likely to lose power roles to at least two non-town parties (dalek/cybermen), maybe more; - If a lot of people just claim VT, we don’t have a heuristic to determine how many VTs there can be - Even if someone feels confirmed due to being the only one to claim a likely role (ex: Dr. Who/Amy/Rory/River who appear in xatalos’ post) the person doesn’t stay trustworthy because there are conversions. So, I feel like we don’t gain anything from a massclaim. If I am wrong explain why. If there is a heavily flavored closed setups thread with a massclaim, I'm willing to skim it and reevaluate. | ||
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So I skimmed through the crossfire game linked by rayn. I do agree that the claims were beneficial to town in that game, but I feel my concerns from my earlier post are mostly still applicable. Rayn addresses the game setup here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20200468) – there are a lot of distinctions, but these are the important ones, I think: - In the prior game, people could confirm their claimed powers by affecting the vote count. In this game, we don’t know whether people can confirm they have powers they claim. - In the prior game, there was not a risk of alignment change (unless I missed something). In this game, a town claim we believe may be converted into scum. Some of my other concerns are still applicable, too (fabricated roles). raynpelikoneet vote on Alakaslam After thinking about it a little, I actually feel a little better about rayn’s justification for voting Alakaslam. I think we can summarize his argument as, Alakaslam may be scum (scum claiming survivor) or he may be survivor (3rd party) but we know he isn’t town, so he is a good/safe-ish lynch. tehpoofter on raynpelikoneet I really dislike poofter’s vote on raynpelikoneet. One- I have trouble seeing rayn’s push on Alakaslam as scummy. Two- I think the criticism of rayn for pushing slam lynch (and not focusing other people) doesn’t make much sense since rayn is doing other things (pushing for massclaim, giving reads, questioning players including me). Three- I don’t disagree with your read that rayn saying he doesn’t care is scum – he actually did something pretty similar same thing in the game he linked and flipped scum there. However, I don’t put much into rayn’s “I don’t care” in that post because right after it he gives some reads. Vote I don’t feel great about the Alakaslam lynch, but I think it’s pretty good and is a def. a better lynch than rayn. The two are vote tied so I’m going to ##Vote: Alakaslam (I think it is a little sad we are lynching Alakaslam when he seems to be posting coherently though, shouldn’t we be encouraging that?) @Alakaslam: Right now I don't want to lynch rayn. If we were going to lynch someone other than you two, who would you pick and why? | ||
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On March 31 2014 04:29 Alakaslam wrote: No no just go fulfill my prophecy @Alakaslam Slam I think right now my feeling for voting you is, at worse we lynch someone who isn't town, at best we lynch mafia. We can look at your reads after you are lynched but let's look at them now instead. I see your reads as: rayn -> you see as scummy, you voted him kitaman -> his vote was suspicious thrawn -> scum with rayn djo -> likely scum so I am wondering why you didn't answer me with kita/thrawn/djo? Also if it cheers you up alakaslam, I looked for on the Dr. Who creature list to see if there was a creature like a planar dragon. There isn't a planar dragon but there is a dragon. It that lives on "Svartos" and that made me happy because the word is a little like Svengali. | ||
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On March 31 2014 04:51 Djodref wrote: What do you mean by cop-out ? I understand "copping out" as posting noncommittally or refusing to take responsibility. Like, if I said "let's all massclaim" and then when it kills everyone said "well it was rayn's idea so it's not my fault" I'd be copping out because I am not taking responsibility for encouraging the idea. If he means it differently he can say so though | ||
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On March 31 2014 04:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Amiko have you anything to say about people who might be mafia who are not Slam? Like all you've done so far is defending me, talking about mechanics and talking about Slam. None of those things are interesting. I can talk a little more but don't think it'll interest you much: I took kitaman27's vote on thrawn2112 as somewhat scummy. I'm fine with writing off kita's initial vote as RVS, but his later vote on thrawn for joining him seemed late. I don't feel that committed, though, because I have trouble pointing to where exactly RVS does end in this game. I thought Vivax's post here was fine (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=22#426) but his post here felt out of place given the thread direction (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=26#502) Although I disagreed with tehpoofter on his vote on you, I don't read him as scummy from the post. If you want to drop discussion of massclaims that's fine, but if you think it'll help town I'm glad to engage on that topic more. @tehpoofter Slam as Survivor or Mafia On March 31 2014 04:58 Tehpoofter wrote: which of your 2 scenarios do you feel is more likely? I think it is more likely he is a survivor than a mafia. It's not based on much, but I the way he claimed felt more like an offhand comment and not in a defensive post to try to get votes off of him. I don't know Alakaslam meta besides that he uses unusual words so I'm willing to sheep somewhat on reading him while asking him some questions myself. @tehpoofter What do you think of my comments on your vote on Alakaslam in this post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21089733)? | ||
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On March 31 2014 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Amiko why is the Vivax' post you pointed out fine? I agree the second post is really bad. Like there is nothing it can possibly achieve as town. I ask hopeless1der to explain the interactions between raynpelikoneet & alakaslam. Hopeless1der says Alakaslam is usually unreadable and implies that he should be lynched. However, earlier Hopeless1der says Alakaslam is town in the post Vivax highlights. Initially I would take the read as a joke, but Hopeless does refer to it again here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=11#201) before calling it a joke in response to Vivax's question (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=22#428). So basically, I felt Vivax's question (is it a joke) is justified because it looked like a joke, but got referred back to by hopeless. Not great but fine. -- Building off that, if hopeless' true read of slam is "town" then his last few posts are a little worrying because they do not seem to defend slam at all. If hopeless' true read of slam is "can't read" then I guess his play is consistent. The subsequent posts I'm talking about are: On March 31 2014 04:19 Hopeless1der wrote: Slam will you flip town? On March 31 2014 04:26 Hopeless1der wrote: Slam you have no chance of reasoning with rayn. The best thing you can hope for is that he diverts onto some other sucker in the meantime. | ||
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