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Well yeah, will only be busy next wedensday if I live that long. rest should be fine. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:38 jaybrundage wrote: It is day 1. What else do you do besides make small talk till you find someone who you think is scummy. What are the reasons you find Koshi scummy now? Do you think Balla is mafia even if Koshi flips town? | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:52 jaybrundage wrote: The reasons I find Koshi scummy haven't changed. I am not sure about balla. I really didn't like one of his posts. Where he called me scummy for scum hunting on Koshi. But I'm not sure if I was so convicted that Koshi was scum that I assumed anyone defending him was his scum buddy. However it might be just as likely that Balla was a townie trying to get some... I don't even know. Like I don't understand him defending Koshi so much when I was trying to scum hunt. Instead of looking at what I was representing. I don't understand scum reads on me. I mostly lurk as scum. As town I give reads freely and am much more carefree. Regarding your Koshi case I think it is a really weak meta case, and you better get more meat on it if you wanna try to push it again. The fact that you are so sure in it, I find strange. As you said yourself it's just an early D1 case.. And the Balla thing I really struggle to find scum motivation for him defending Scum!Koshi, mainly because your attack is so early and it so weak. I really doubt a scum would feel the need to bother about that case at all. Aka I think it's highly unlikely they are scum together. I think it's to early to call you scum, mostly cause I struggle to see a scum going as hard and fast out of the gates as you did. But I definetly don't like your play so far. | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:15 Aquanim wrote: Hey guys I'd like to discuss Suki Filter in the original game as town: Asks lots of questions, discusses reads, VERY direct Filter in this game: Mostly trolly one-liners about "King" Balla, doesn't talk much about reads unless directly asked, is not asking many questions. I haven't thoroughly meta-d Suki but I'm really feeling a serious gap in her attitude between the two games. I can't see any reason in Suki's filter to think she is town so far. Does anyone else have any? Are you basing your scum read on Suki just off meta atm ? I don't think acting another way from one game to another is a good way to meta someone, especially when the person have scumgames you can read. She was scum in Mafia Newbie Mafia LI I think, prolly better to start there. I played in that game and dont remember to much of the meta, other than she was good :S | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:30 Aquanim wrote: It's a kind of half-meta case, in that her play so far does not seem to be directed towards scumhunting, and I can verify that she is capable and willing to direct her play towards scumhunting by checking a previous town game. The argument holds without any need to refer to her scumgames, though I would take a look at it if I were to start seriously pushing for her lynch. For now I want to discuss her play so far. Putting aside your opinion of my methods, what's your read on suki so far? By applying meta to Suki I dont really get a read either way. I feel the last Shadowgame and her last Newbie game (scumgame), are vastly different from this game. atm she has trolled pretty much all game. Which I don't think is very allignment indicative, in fact I would rather lean town on a trolling Suki than scum. Because she has a strong scumgame, and she did get a lot of praise for it, I would assume she would try to uphold that standard. But I guess my conclusion is, to early to say. And when Suki comes back I hope she picks it up and plays more seriously. | ||
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On February 07 2014 15:27 suki wrote: Fine, he's not 'objectively' scum. There are more points against him for being scum than the points that I have against sidesprang which is largely a meta read. Quoting this since shorter  If you want to apply meta read on me, then do not use my almost 4 year old games. It wont get you anywhere good. You are correct that my mindset and play this game is different. Last month i've been coached and I've shadowed, both for first time. So I do hope I picked up something, that will hopefully improve my play. | ||
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Currently I got three people on my watchlist. JayB: This guy was an easy townread for me last game. ATM I'm not getting that at all, he made loads of bad posts so far, which don't make you scum. But I'm not getting the same easy read as last game which makes me wanting to see more contributions from him. Jonny: A lot of the same as JayB. Had this guy as an easy townread in my Newbie game. Not getting the same vibe atm. He got a Balla case coming up tho, so let's see where that goes. Oats: He sheeped onto JayB, and seems certain he is scum. Without adding his own thoughts. He was also quick to jump on Suki when aqua mentioned her, which I found wierd seeing how certain he acted against JayB. | ||
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On February 07 2014 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote: lol the meta read says that you are currently playing worse Sidesprang, did you read it? It says im playing different ? | ||
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On February 07 2014 18:49 Oatsmaster wrote: different=worse. What is your read on Suki? Also whats wrong with sheeping? Am I scummy if Im right on who I sheep onto? Why is different = worse, when you got a bad game to begin with? To try to improve your game you need change something. Sheeping don't make a guy scum, don't matter if the guy you are sheeping onto is scum or not. It does however make me want to keep a closer eye on you. Especially since you basically did it twice. Regarding Suki, she is a hard read for me given I think she plays scum really well. I see nothing pointing towards her being scum atm, and I think the trolling / fun opening is more likely town indicative then scum. Because why open like that if you got good scumgame ? | ||
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On February 07 2014 22:49 suki wrote: @Sidesprang Hi Sidesprang, Like Oats said, Aqua was only questioning about my meta (which you so kindly commented on). His case on me was completely separate from Aqua's line of thought. You said 'without adding his own thoughts, he was also quick to jump on suki', but he clearly posted why he was voting me: I'd like you to comment on his case and his pressure on me. How is Oats scummy from his actions? Ok here we go again. You always read my comments wrong, last game too. The "without adding his own thoughts" part is refering to the part about JayB. Regarding Oats and his pressure on you. His orignial problem with you is how you handled the JayB's case on Koshi. I have no problems with what you did, why would you need to comment on it all, if its good/bad if koshi is town/scum. The case is obviously bad, and you react that way. Totally a null tell imo. For him to jump off JayB which he then had as scum less then an hour earlier for that I do find strange. On February 07 2014 14:17 Oatsmaster wrote: so then this was a lie? So basically you think JayB is scum because he made a case longer than 2 sentences. Why is it more scummy if someone tunnels early? Didnt I tunnel early against koshi off pretty much nothing and I was town? You are doing the exact same thing as last game. I guess either you didnt learn anything or you are scum trying to play to your previous town meta. What about JayB's scumhunting was forced and contrived? Here he is leaving the door open for you to be town, based on you acting the same way you did as town 1 week ago. I don't know if he actually looked up your scum meta or not. But that he still is going strong on you after that line I really dont understand. Gonna go read up on his meta after dinner. | ||
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On February 07 2014 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote: I kinda dont think either are scum. I need to check JayB's last scum games but I dont think so. Its like both of their pushes on Koshi were so bad. What do you think of Suki and Balla? No he did not, he asked me about my read on you, which I answered. He asked Koshi about his reads on Balla and you, which he also answered... | ||
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On February 08 2014 00:35 Koshi wrote: That's brave after suki just said that you use meta a lot as scum. :D You talking to me ? I dont have any meta as scum. My last scum game was 4 years ago, the only meta you can apply to my scumgame is me playing different from my last two games. | ||
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How did you go from being so certain JayB was scum, to then being certaing Suki was scum, to now being on me? You don't seem to be that certain on me being scum atleast compared to what you were with JayB and Suki. So that would mean you don't have Suki as scum anymore or? | ||
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