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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 06 2014 16:11 GMT
#86
Que?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 07 2014 19:55 GMT
#511
I have been working both days and nights with little rest periods. Has been really bad.

I did some reading though, and fwiw the start of the game had me really suspicious of the big change in Suki and Balla24's play. Can that stuff be explained? Things like a joke probabilities post about an RNG situation and kingship stuff, I really don't get it.

Time wasting and whatnot, why did you do it?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 01:03 GMT
#556
I have work folks. Yes I would be unhappy if I was lynched.


That being said @suki: you appear to have "gotten better" as has Balla24 but it just doesn't strike me as the best entrance. I may be biased through being tired and a time crunch.

I am kind of fighting a pregame bias that Jaybrundage is scum because last game I was CONVINCED he was scum and !what! He was almost made innocent child.

Going to try some filters now.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 01:16 GMT
#559
On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?


Legitimate question.

Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game?

It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town.
I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game.

1. Because I said it last game.

2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D

I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day.

Thing about lurker lynches. You can advocate them but if you don't follow through your motives should be questioned... Has Jaybrundage voted for me yet?

... Who is he voting? If anyone has been lurking I have been, he should be pushing me according to this policy.

More as I feel the desire to comment on it.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 01:17 GMT
#560
On February 08 2014 10:12 Koshi wrote:
pls do Alakaslam. You are on the shortlist to get lynched.

Am I? Jay had better be leading that with any who agree on lynchig lurkers.

Back to his.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 01:21 GMT
#561
On February 07 2014 07:40 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 07:39 Balla24 wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?


Legitimate question.

Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game?

It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town.
I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game.

1. Because I said it last game.

2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D

I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day.


This game just got a whole lot easier.

##Vote jaybrundage


Oh look at my in foolishness Im soo cool.



GET ORGINAL SON

Open the nested quotes.

What is with Balla's vote here? Yes I don't like the post much but if jay follows through then it is a policy we don't do often enough according to everyone, so why not? Indeed I anyone lurks harder than me tell me who and I will vote them until I find a filter as strikes me more scummy.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 03:19 GMT
#591
After more irl and deciding I have to skim stuff I see a ploy of sorts. Jaybrundage did little but call out Suki and Balla early for trolling and stuff.

They have said that is all in the interest of fun which I can understand. I too am someone who enjoys trolling...

... And rolling scum. Look, if you read TL mafia LXIII you will see the context for a quote I am about to copy in here.

The point of this game is getting better, not more comfortable with trolling or believe me, there would be YouTube in my filter by now.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 03:21 GMT
#592
On December 10 2013 16:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
I will say though that playing as scum last game you probably realize that Slam basically adds another scum to the game as either alignment. So I'm fine with lynching him regardless unless something very convincing goes down.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 04:11 GMT
#615
On February 08 2014 12:41 suki wrote:
Are all you people on the fence about Jay reading this?

If you still think this is coming from a town Jay please speak up and tell me my case on him isn't any good.

Alright I'll find it in your filter and read it then.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 04:20 GMT
#620
On February 08 2014 07:09 suki wrote:
By the way in my first Mafia game ever, I rolled scum and got lynched Day 1.

One of the things that happened was I made some contradiction that people were all calling me out on, and I thought really hard about a way to explain it so it wasn't contradictory. So then I posted my defense, and people were like yeah I guess that sounds reasonable but we're going to lynch you anyways because you're the most scummy.

Afterwards, people were telling me that my defense almost had them convinced and that's where I think people were telling me that they thought I would be a good mafia player.

Sooo in short, JayB being able to explain away his crappy early activity is not a townie point. The fact that he wastes so much effort defending himself and explaining him is a point against him, as per my meta analysis.

You and hurricane sponge wouldn't get along all that well XD

All he ever had me do when I was up for suspicion was defend, I refused on these grounds and was mislynched later.

Is this the case you were talking about?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 04:22 GMT
#621
Whoops I thought that was par to the post above it in your filter
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 04:23 GMT
#622
On February 08 2014 07:00 suki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 06:52 LoneMeow wrote:
On February 08 2014 06:47 suki wrote:
I find it hard to see Oats and Jay as a scum team though. If I had to put my money on one I'd say Jay is scum and Oats is Oats.


I really don't want connection cases on unflipped players. And I'm not sold on jaybrundage just yet, either. See my earlier post, he has some posts that make him look pretty town after the terrible ones.


Yeah you mentioned this:

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On February 07 2014 11:44 jaybrundage wrote:
I can't win with this town. If I give advice and try to make well thought out posts. Then I'm giving advice and I'm not scum hunting enough.

If I actively try to scum hunt and push things I think are scummy. Then I'm scummy for unknown reasons.

Pretty frustrating.


And I noticed it in my meta analysis too.. Frustration is something that I haven't seen from Jay before.

But like..
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 11:52 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:42 sidesprang wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:38 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why were you even commenting on his first post? You thought he wrote it after he got his alignment?

It is day 1. What else do you do besides make small talk till you find someone who you think is scummy.


What are the reasons you find Koshi scummy now? Do you think Balla is mafia even if Koshi flips town?

The reasons I find Koshi scummy haven't changed. I am not sure about balla. I really didn't like one of his posts. Where he called me scummy for scum hunting on Koshi. But I'm not sure if I was so convicted that Koshi was scum that I assumed anyone defending him was his scum buddy.

However it might be just as likely that Balla was a townie trying to get some... I don't even know. Like I don't understand him defending Koshi so much when I was trying to scum hunt. Instead of looking at what I was representing. I don't understand scum reads on me. I mostly lurk as scum. As town I give reads freely and am much more carefree.


This just.. He's just giving excuses.

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 07 2014 13:11 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok so this makes alot more sense. You were not saying my initial response to Koshi's vote on my post was scummy. You think my response to him validating the seriousness of his vote was scummy.

Ok so let me go thru my reasoning.

So Koshi comes back after I dismiss his post and responds with that his vote is "very real" However where he should put a reason about why his vote is real. He instead just says "you feel off." So this is in hindsight perhaps where I may have misread Koshi's intention with that post. It might have been a joke post and he wasn't being serious. But what I thought was that Koshi actually thought I was scum. He said the vote was real... Twice. So I assumed that he was serious and voting me with the intention that he thought I was scum.

At this point I believe that I was making up my case on why Koshi's first post not being excited was scummy. So I was already thinking that Koshi was mafia. This just firmed that in my mind. I had brushed off his vote on me as not being serious. So when he does say its serious he gives me the reason why. The reason is "You feel off" That was it. This is a very noncommittal answer and I think it reeks of scum. I had no reason to ask for why he voted me cause he already provided it it was "You feel off." So instead of asking him I dissected why I thought this post was scummy. Does my thinking make sense? And even when I did ask Koshi why he felt i was off. He never expanded on it.

Also you confused me originally with what you said in your post If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. But you were not talking about my reaction to the fake votes. You were talking about my reaction to Koshi's explanation that his vote was real.

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On February 07 2014 12:48 Balla24 wrote:
On February 07 2014 12:42 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?

There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.

Let him play unpressed, see what happens.

Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true.


If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all.

What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having.

After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense?

Ok this is what I don't know what your talking about.


Ok. Here is what I said in regards to your reaction, I even quoted the post I was talking about (i think i'm getting pretty good at quoting heuheu). I said more about it in multiple other posts, but this is what I said at first. This is ONLY in response to the initial reaction to koshi, which is quoted within.

On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.

you feel off.

I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that.

I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it.

Koshi is scum. I caught one :D


In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it.

Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum".



The explanation for why I voted for you in the first place is here, they are relatively separate (not relevant to your reaction to koshi):

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?


Legitimate question.

Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game?

It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town.
I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game.

1. Because I said it last game.

2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D

I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day.


You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not?

Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1.

Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?

@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is.

That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it.











and this.. so much backtracking. Like... uughh.

In Shadowed Mafia he was top 2 lynch target and he was nothing like this.

I meant this was this the case?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 04:26 GMT
#625
On February 08 2014 13:16 suki wrote:
If you're getting lynched it's because you haven't shown your desire to meaningfully contribute to town.

I've given you lots of chances. I've asked you for reads. What am I supposed to think now?

Show nested quote +
JayB said
BUT if you twist my words again, I WILL get my scumbuddies to shoot you in the night


Go on. Try to get me lynched. I dare you.

If I didn't have so much work I would make the same challenge but I am te perfect LHF so I will hold off on that.

I can go back to jay filter but reading it it just looks like you and Balla set him up.

I am trying to see if that is indeed the case.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 04:26 GMT
#626
Ok I will find and read that.

I am looking through a small rectangular window remember.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 04:35 GMT
#628
Lol Suki

That coloring. Don't color shit in the first case.

Guess what? You find that Jay apparently calls himself mislynch bait as town and as scum. You kept highlighting that in his scum games but not his towngame.

Just that first case has me suspicious of YOU. What is going on with that kind of fabrication? People will read the highlights better at times but I have some paranoia that gives me memory of connection and an Armenian-reading-a-contract type of thouroughness if I see stuff like that.(coloration)

However could have been a slip as all ppl make mistakes. And I haven't read the whole thing, so will finish before drawing conclusions
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 04:42 GMT
#630
However the rest of the points seem valid and you do say he does it in town games and he just does it differently. But that makes it a null tell?

One more disclaimer. I am uncomfortable with the lack of confidence/high defensiveness points because of the first version of this game. He was totes scum to most and he wasn't

Harrowing no?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 04:43 GMT
#632
On February 08 2014 13:41 suki wrote:
Eh. it wasn't my first case against Jay. I already built a case where I referenced his meta but didn't provide quotes. This meta case with colouring is just the follow-up because Balla requested specific quotes.

Notice that I do bring up when he mentions he's #1 mislynch in his town game. Notice the similarity in the 'joking' manner in which he refers to #1 mislynch in his scum games. I have no intention of misrepresenting Jay through my meta case.

Yup I noticed that right when I went back to it

See I am a slow ninja
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 04:45 GMT
#634
No you must slow down I am slow ninja

I am Kung fu sloth

Yes I am only holding the apve reservations now.

Alakaslam townread is cheap. I tend to townread everyone.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 04:46 GMT
#636
Interesting. I was convinced he was scum.

...

Which is why I have reservations now.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 08 2014 04:51 GMT
#638
But it is patently true. There is a strong meta case on Jay.

Does anyone else have similar reservations to me?

With that I leave for a short time. I will return, check the deadline, and then sleep. At work I will check back in and continue.
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