Newbie Mini Mafia LII

On February 16 2014 13:29 Beneather wrote:


That's something mafia say !

##VOTE Lord Tolkien

On February 16 2014 15:14 Beneather wrote:


The part with " im not mafia gaiz, pls no lynch " seems scummy to me.

On February 16 2014 14:45 Amiko wrote:When I don't have information yet I like voting for non-active people. Right now that's theDragoon, n1k0, and OnceKing. But, I want to hold my vote for a little longer since the game just started. And it will be an implicit promise I will not be afk or lurking because I have to come back before the deadline to vote

On February 17 2014 06:14 Valenius wrote:


So going off of this, The possible roles left are:

Vanilla / Cop / Doctor / Roleblocker / Vigilante / Veteran

Mafia Goon / Mafia Roleblocker / Mafia Godfather.

I'd originally assumed when signing up it would be 3 Mafia (one of each role), with the remaining players split between the town roles randomly. Re-reading through the rules however, it reads to me as if there could be between 1 - 4 Mafia?

On February 17 2014 06:23 Amiko wrote:
Oh, two other points:

(1) Game experience is already showing that it is something we can use to evaluate-



(2) In reflection, I guess it would appear less scummy for my first post to be like everyone else and randomly vote without providing any information on myself. So, three questions:
If I were mafia, why would I try to stand out?
Did my post contribute more or less helpful than any of the other first day posts?

I think my first post contributed to town, certainly more than the other meaningless d1 posts:
1- It identified my reasoning for how I would vote if I had no scumreads
2- It told you when to expect inactivity and when I would have no excuse for inactivity


Also I disagree with Tolkein's comment re lynching idle players. The longer the game goes, the more information we have from active players. Between our copchecks and filters, the players who are talking will be easier to attack for our inconsistencies and our analysis. Silent players don't provide town with any information, and more importantly they won't scumhunt during the day.

On February 17 2014 06:38 Amiko wrote:
edit: Also my bad mistake, my third question was

What do you think the other posts d1 contributed?

On February 17 2014 07:56 Cavalinho wrote:


Except he hasn't provided any actual reason as to why I'm scum aside from voting him after agreeing with OnceKing. At best, his entire line of rationale can be classified as OMGUS; even then, it isn't a good one, as he is trying to push what he perceives as the weakest line of reasoning against the people pushing him right now.

He says voting is scummy, but outing reads is not. But then I call him on it and he says that voting isn't scummy and the fact that I think he's mafia after someone else posted all of the things I was already thinking of is scummy. But he already said that outing reads isn't scummy.

His logic is unsound and it makes no sense whatsoever. What's actually kind of funny was that I was rethinking my stance after what you posted earlier, but he keeps trying to push back on me which, in turn, makes me go after him.

On February 17 2014 08:33 Cavalinho wrote:


Checking the more outspoken players such as you, me, Amiko, and OnceKing is a poor strategy. We can gather reads on each other by watching as we push our agendas throughout the game.

Lurking players are a different matter entirely. Depending on what Amiko flips, we can get a relatively solid gauge on whats going on.

Now, for the sake of argument, I'm going to walk through both scenarios.

A) Amiko flips green or, heaven forbid, blue.
1: The mafia will most likely be hiding amongst the inactives since they had almost no pressure put on them throughout the first day.
2: Mafia started the lynch and cast suspicion on themselves. This is a possible scenario, but it's still unlikely that a cop check will solve the issue since the most likely candidate for pushing someone that is supposedly town would be the Godfather.

B) Amiko flips red.
1: Mafia either defended him or bussed. Either way, mafia wouldn't be so outspoken on the first day trying to attract attention to themselves.
2: The people running the lynch should be almost confirmed town since mafia obviously wouldn't run one of their own guys into the ground so early.

Either way, cop checks should be carried out on the uncertains lurking in the background rather than the most outspoken players. Hell, even if we don't lynch Amiko today, I wouldn't want a cop check to be carried out on him for the sake that we can rely on him talking more than the other 4 players or so not saying much of anything.

I'm also putting a lot of emphasis on votelists because, even if we mislynch early, we can take a look at who's voting who and who is pushing what. If everyone on the chopping block for today's lynch is blue/green, we can look to the inactives as possible targets since no pressure was put on them throughout the day.

There's still more than 24 hours left for today's votes. Don't forget that. We have all the time in the world. I'm not even 100% on the Amiko lynch yet, so I might take my vote down just so we can get more reads.

On February 17 2014 08:47 OnceKing wrote:

What? Of course it matters man. Who do you think is scum?

On February 17 2014 09:16 Valenius wrote:


Is that from experience, or a (logical) guess?

On February 17 2014 09:31 Valenius wrote:


I'd agree with this point for the most part. However, lynching a lurker would become the best option (in my eyes) if the next 27hrs of discussion don't lead to a solid read on a scum. I'd imagine it's easier to read someone's behaviours later on if they've already been posting.

On February 17 2014 09:58 Valenius wrote:
Sure.

Lord Tolkien:

As in my last post, I agree (for the most part) with the lynching/no-lynching of lurkers.



I don't see how that has any relevance to the actual game, it stands out to me as being an odd comment to use when discussing someone's posting.

Amiko:

1. Suggesting to lynch lurkers, and then naming the lurkers 02:45 after the thread started was weird. You said "I want to hold my vote for a little longer since the game just started", but with 48-hour days if you're wanting to lynch lurkers you should be posting your list well into the second day. It add's absolutely nothing that early into Day 1.. my post was just saying I'm going to bed, that shouldn't be enough to get me off a lurker list.

2. Calling yourself town in your first post, again, seems off to me. If you're acting as town, people should form their own town opinion of you, which will be 100x stronger than a read formed by you claiming to be town in a first post.

3. I was going to add here about OneKing's criticism of the length of the post.. it's valid criticism, although in this case I feel like it's given some interesting talking points so i'll forgive it.


Cavalinho:


His (I presume?) explanation of only jumping on Amiko after the post by yourself was satisfactory to me, otherwise i'd be much more interested in the reasoning behind that..

Mafia Reads? Amiko / IAmRobik. Just a gut feeling on Robik.

Town Reads? Lord Tolkein, and potentially OnceKing. No other strong reads yet.


Also, you have to give me time to post.. The above post by me was posted before seeing your question (I went to make a coffee, and posted when I got back). I'm not a masssively quick poster, I like to go back and check, and recheck previous posts.

On February 17 2014 12:00 theDragoon wrote:
@Lord Tolkien:



I just want to clarify what you mean by this post. What exactly was the risk you took and why would it be such a big risk that only a Veteran would take?

On February 17 2014 13:49 Beneather wrote:
##UNVOTE As of right now I don't think Lord Tolkien is scum. However this post,



makes it seem he just wants to end the day with a lynch on Amiko without any further discussion. His mind is made up it seems and does not want to pressure any other players.

On February 17 2014 12:28 Lord Tolkien wrote:

I meant that if I were a blue. There's no reason for a cop or somesuch to be forward/active in Day 1, because it draws attention to themselves for a night kill from mafia. The only blue role (if I am a blue) that leads you to think I would be is a Veteran because I can soak a night shot.

Assuming I'm not vanilla town or mafia, which are the other logical possibilities. I'm willing to bet the same thing generally with OnceKing, and probably Caval as well. Green, veteran, or mafia are the likely choices.

slightly scummy just for voting for me. i aint no mafia bish~

On February 17 2014 08:14 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Since we have to lynch someone (I don't think we can go for no lynchings), I'm fine lynching Amiko and, assuming we have a Cop, checking either you (most favorable) or OnceKing (I read him as townish, but just to make sure). How we move forward Day 2 depends on how Amiko reads and if we get a red read (which isn't reliable since Godfather, and we probably have a 33%-50% chance of that being the fake read we get, and we might not have a Cop), but unless something new comes up, that's my (newbie) analysis of what we should do.