Hi guys. I'm town. Kush's plan is stupid. I'm KINDA okay with Boxers claiming. It certainly forces scum into an uncomfortable position of choosing now whether to fake-claim it.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 00:27 GMT

#97

On January 20 2014 09:25 kushm4sta wrote:

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Why is it dumb?? this is a conversation i wanted to have pregame btw but no one talked.

VE it's demonstrably a bad move for scum to fake claim named VT. No scum is ever going to fake claim named VT unless it's as some last second thing to save their ass for another day.

The whole point of the plan is to prevent scum from even having the option to do the bolded.

It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 00:56 GMT

#113

Expect whatever you expect. It's not going to change my alignment one way or the other. I'm done using outside excuses for my in-game behavior.

I WILL say that I will likely be more active than I have been in the last few games I've played, if that gives you any indication.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 01:01 GMT

#114

On January 20 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody should claim at this point. Named VT's (boxers) do not help us in any way now because there is a possibility of 0-3 boxers and claiming does not clear anyone, it only gives mafia information about the setup unless we want all people to claim which we don't.

suki, kushmasta does not usually even read his own role PM properly (which is proven by last game for example) so unfortunately that plan does not make him non VT / non named VT and certainly not mafia.

Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 01:02 GMT

#116

2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 01:36 GMT

#123

Wat

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United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 02:26 GMT

#131

It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.

Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 02:30 GMT

#133

Boxer is a Named VT, one of the blue roles. It's a blue role with no power.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 02:40 GMT

#136

I'm giving benefit of the doubt where that its concerned...I had to go look again at the setup to remember myself when it was first mentioned.

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United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 03:09 GMT

#140

On January 20 2014 11:45 JonnyLaw wrote:

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Why do you think not?

I think scum.

I don't understand the question. Or the accusation.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 03:16 GMT

#142

For the reasons that have been stated multiple times...not for information but to deny scum somewhere to hide on the block.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 05:25 GMT

#163

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His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 13:28 GMT

#192

Yes I have been referring to two plans since the game has started. A really bad Kush plan trying to make blue claims unlynchable, and the proposed plan for Named VTs to claim.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 13:36 GMT

#197

There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.

I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 13:39 GMT

#200

I don't believe the claim. He said he doesn't think boxers should claim and immediately claims? He was either lying then or he is lying now... his play makes more sense if he is scum.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 13:44 GMT

#203

Yeah that all looks really bad.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 13:46 GMT

#206

On January 20 2014 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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There is no way Slam is fakeclaiming. It makes no sense at all as he does not even understand what i was accusing him of and it just does not make sense at all..

Dude he was absolutely against boxers claiming and claimed on TWO VOTES. After someone is on record saying we should NOT EVER lynch blue claims.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 13:47 GMT

#208

Kish I'm open to suggestions. If you think someone is a better lynch then convince me. Its called playing Mafia! :D

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2014 13:52 GMT

#212

Kish look me in the balls and tell me you don't think that as town if I don't believe a claim that I wouldn't vote for it if I think it is scum.

It is not dumb for scum to claim Named VT, they are supposed to claim SOMETHING other than Mafia, yes?