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Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 13 2014 17:40 GMT
#7
/in
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 15 2014 02:28 GMT
#72
On January 15 2014 04:46 yamato77 wrote:
/replacement

for the inevitable cephiro afk period


Certainly it will be inevitable. Most humans do not sit on their computers 24/7. Doesn't mean you need to replace me. :3
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 16 2014 00:32 GMT
#121
Hi all. I am not very interested in the random banter at the start of the game and I have better things to do, thus I will not take part in the first few hours of discussion, probably.

All you need to know is that I'm one in a million. :3 I shall observe from the shadows, for now.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 16 2014 00:46 GMT
#138
On January 16 2014 09:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
alright well im gonna throw this out there to get this game going

it appears the miller in this game is self-aware, so if anyone is that baboon thing you should claim imo.



On January 14 2014 02:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
Q&A


  • Scum KP is fixed at 1.
  • There are 3 mafia.
  • All players, regardless of role, are notified of roleblocks.
  • Neither Doctors nor their targets are notified of saved hits.
  • Scum chooses 1 member to carry out the night hit. A scum power-role may carry out the night kill and use his role in the same night, should he so choose.
  • Millers are not self-aware.
  • Passive abilities are NOT roleblockable.
  • If a SK is present, he/she will be able to choose between investigation immunity and one shot bulletproof when the roles go out and before day 1 starts. If no choice is sent by the end of Day 1, I will flip a coin and let the gods choose for the player.


If you have any other questions, you may PM me, or ask in the thread with bold green text.


... Please, read the rules.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 16 2014 01:08 GMT
#170
On January 16 2014 10:01 Toadesstern wrote:
So Ceph, what was your your thought process when you figured it's a good idea to explain that there's no self-aware millers?

There's no BH in this game so it's quiiiiiiiite unlikely that a townie would ever fakeclaim self-aware miller.


My thought process was this long:

1. See false information in thread
2. Post right information in thread
3. ???
4. Answer your question about my thought process.

There pretty much wasn't one. I also fail to see how it's relevant whether I said that or not. I can't see someone being stupid enough to claim miller at this point in the game.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 16 2014 01:16 GMT
#176
On January 16 2014 10:14 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 10:08 Cephiro wrote:
On January 16 2014 10:01 Toadesstern wrote:
So Ceph, what was your your thought process when you figured it's a good idea to explain that there's no self-aware millers?

There's no BH in this game so it's quiiiiiiiite unlikely that a townie would ever fakeclaim self-aware miller.


My thought process was this long:

1. See false information in thread
2. Post right information in thread
3. ???
4. Answer your question about my thought process.

There pretty much wasn't one. I also fail to see how it's relevant whether I said that or not. I can't see someone being stupid enough to claim miller at this point in the game.


well yeah, with you telling everyone about it I don't see anyone being stupid enough either. Just for reference, Matt claimed self-aware miller in a game that had no self-aware millers in one of my games and it got him lynched d1, ended up flipping mafia obviously. Anyways beans are spilled and like I said I don't read to much into it either.


If someone doesn't concentrate enough to make a mistake like that, it's also just as likely they didn't read my post properly either. But yeah, a waste of time to delve on this further. I'm all for plans that aim to catch scum, but I hardly consider not saying the above one.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 17 2014 19:11 GMT
#1032
Posting just to confirm everyone that I do intend to be away for the duration of the game.

Actual stuff to follow.

If someone is trying to get a lynch on me, it should be ignored.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 17 2014 19:11 GMT
#1033
I don't.* Welp, that was a fine return. Believe me if you wish.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 17 2014 19:57 GMT
#1071
By page 40 I would be fine with lynching kush, thrawn, or Mig.

Break.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 17 2014 21:47 GMT
#1148
For those doubting, I am still around, just unable to make proper posts for now. Could someone give me a quick update on the claims that have been made? (As if I am assuming correctly, some seem to be from today's main lynch candidates?) More from me in ~45 mins. I know, very close to deadline, sucks. Shit happens.

From what I've read so far, I'd like to lynch Mig the most. Almost caught up.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 17 2014 23:09 GMT
#1223
Nah, I am a bad pick for lynch.

kush & Mig on the other hand would be fine choices in my opinion.

Also I'd like it if possible vigs would not shoot me the following night. Trust me, it's a bad choice.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 17 2014 23:10 GMT
#1227
Koshi lynch is a bad lynch, don't do it.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 17 2014 23:39 GMT
#1270
On January 17 2014 03:46 Mig wrote:
Sno is likely mafia.

1) I had the same thoughts as skan when reading sno's response to kush's question about why he seems so happy. Most townies just ignore it or dismiss it, instead of providing a real answer (which felt kind of like bs btw).

2) These posts he makes back to back

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 01:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 17 2014 01:07 Skanjab1s wrote:
Oh wow, rayn, you actually think I'm opting out of discussion?

Really?

On January 17 2014 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ugh.. this is gonna be really hard to figure out because Skanjab1s made a terrible terrible case on yamato in Hogwarts aswell.
As sad it is he could do this as town..

Making opening cases on people and then getting called scum for it is what I do, yo.
On January 17 2014 01:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yes I was intentionally lying skan, see my followup post.

I find it hilarious you think rayn CANT get you lynched. Trololol


He can't. I mean, he's welcome to try, but it wont work.

This sounds a lot like "I intentionally made a worthless case cuz its my town meta and I gotta match that".

Which sounds a lot like scum :/


Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 01:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well I was starting to think that you might have just been trying to get the thread moving and fishing for responses, which would be quite understandable, but instead it seems that you actually think I'm scum or something.

Jeeeeez.


In the initial post he very weakly accuses skan of possibly being mafia. Also, this is probably nothing but the stupid :/ face there doesn't really fit for a townie mindset in my eyes. If you think someone is doing something scummy why use the wishy washy face.

The very next post he then implies that skan is town when he says that skan actually thinks he is scum. This doesn't really make sense unless he is mafia and already knows skan is town.


#vote Sno




In this post Mig makes 2 points against Sn0 which are both quite ridiculous in my opinion. Why make such a big deal about a smilie? People like to use them sometimes. Like this >_>. It's an emoticon, no more. Any could be used as either alignment, doesn't say a thing. He's taking one useless sentence and making a bigger deal of it than need be, when there is a shitton of useless sentences in the game which could be said the same of.

The second point just isn't valid. Why would it not make sense from town perspective? I can very well believe someone to be town even if they have a scumread on me. The word "instead" as I read it in this sentence is meant in the following sense opinion.

1) Sno originally thought skan was just fishing for responses and pushing the thread forward.
---> 1b) This is not alignment-indicative, although I read it as a "pro-town"-opinion from Sn0.
2) Sn0 however realizes that skan actually believes himself to be mafia, instead of just faking a red read on him to fish for reactions.
---> 2b) Sn0 seems to be unsure what to think of this
---> 2c) The second posts in Mig's case in my opinion is not showing a swing in either way about Sn0's thoughts about skan.

On January 17 2014 04:02 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 03:56 Sn0_Man wrote:

At least Mig is here and playing finally. I believe that means everybody has posted at least once.


Also, not even sure why you mentioned this. A lot of the things you say feel fake to me. Saying you were "hoping for a productive day1". We arent even 24 hours in yet. Just feels like bs.


He further pressures Sn0 with small points like these. I think pressure is a fine thing, but doing it selectively for bad reasons is not productive. Sure, it's a fluffy sentence, but can you really claim to be able to tell if it's faked or not? As mentioned before, there are tons of sentences like this from several other players as well, whom could just as well be faking them.

At this point I don't like how concentrated Mig is about Sn0 being mafia with so little reasoning.

On January 17 2014 04:17 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 04:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
Cases on me are always such bullshit.

"Omg Sn0 joked about lynching the host cuz he fucked up the daypost. Obvious scum too much flippancy"
followed by
"Omg Sn0 insufficiently flippant this game. Obvious scum too much srs"

get real.



This post looks better but a bit concerning you only show the confidence after I called you out on it.

Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 03:51 Sn0_Man wrote:
PS of course we aren't lynching me I've
A) never rolled scum
B) only been mislynched once. At lylo. Due to rayn being rayn and onegu being fucking op as scum.

Day 1s are always awful for me tho since how the hell should I know who scum is?


Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 03:35 Sn0_Man wrote:
I dont do stuff D1 WoS you silly person you.


Just looking at your responses to pressure from witchcraft, before this post you seemed so much weaker/hesitant when called out.


And in one post Mig says Sn0 looks much better for seeming much more confident. Really? After that post? How does saying "cases on me are bullshit" show confidence? I very much dislike how he has emphasized that Sn0 seemed much weaker/hesitant compared to this one "confident" post. My opinion? Hardly a change. What motive would Mig have for saying this? I'm having a hard time believing he truly means these words.

On January 17 2014 04:56 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 04:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
Tell you what mig, even if you are certain I'm scum there are at least 2 more scum out there plus or minus a serial killer. Who else is anti-town and why?

You've jumped into the thread and spoke of nothing except "omg sno scum lynchzorz". I'd like something more to read YOU by if you would be so kind.


I mentioned grack already. The longer he sits back while the focus is elsewhere the worse he looks.

Not a fan of cephiro either, his vt claim while doing nothing is bad

Kush is tricky and I am pretty unsure of him. Jumping into the thread and immediately attacking people seems pretty strange for him, but I know in the past hes said he has a hard time as mafia finding things to attack and he generally just makes town reads. Meh, I would certainly watch him.


As you may remember, Mig is not a fan of wishywashyness. His paragaph about Kush? Pretty much exactly the definition of wishywashy. There are players who say they have certain sentences that they get tells about. For me, "I would certainly watch X" is one of those. Unless you really intend to follow up yourself, why would you say that? If you believe that player has a chance of being mafia, that means:
1) You are making the mafia player more cautions in his/her play by telling them they should be followed upon closely.
---> 1b) This may lead into the mafia player making less mistakes than they would have.
2) Why would you not do something about it instead of watching? I'm fairly sure you gain more information by pressuring someone and forcing them to reply, rather than waiting and seeing what they want to post.

On January 17 2014 05:14 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 05:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
OK come on.

I've been posting, pointing out inconsistencies that I see, demonstrably showing how my reads are developing on Hopeless, Skanjab, etc. I haven't exactly nailed scum yet but I'm trying to be transparent and keep the thread moving in a positive direction.

You drop into the thread, blast the current most popular target, then toss out "oh yeah and those 2 lurkers must be the other scum cuz I'm too lazy to come up with anything else".


I would say the case I presented against you had a lot more depth than anything you have posted. For one thing, I actually did some research into a past game. You happened to be the most popular target so what? Do you believe that is why I am posting against you? Or do you think I genuinely believe what I am posting? I am actually trying to find scum here instead of saying I would lynch grack because he's a lurker.

For other people what do you want. It is day1, sorry I don't have the entire scum team figured out. I am still open to discussing people which is why I am still talking to you and rayn/hopleess/etc


First sentence. Just because you make a post less bad than a horrible one doesn't mean you're doing well. In my opinion Mig's case can by no means be claimed to be well-made or good by any measurements. The sentence I bolded strikes weird to me. It makes it sound like he doesn't believe in what he posts. Why would that be the case for a town player trying to scumhunt? Or even if a town player was unsure of themself, there is no reason to bring it up while pressuring someone as it enables for it to be brushed aside much easier. Would you follow someone that is unsure about what they are doing? I wouldn't.

He claims he is actually trying to find scum, yet it doesn't look like it to me. Certainly, no-one can be expected to find the scumteam on D1. I find it interesting that he has to mention how he is open to discussing people and explaining that it's why he is still talking with other players. Is that not a given? Or does someone really think they can nail the game without taking part in discussion?

After his earlier pressure, he never takes up Sn0 again. Completely forgotten. Why is this? I would like to hear more.

##vote: Mig
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 17 2014 23:43 GMT
#1280
Sure I do. Does it mean I should shut up and just follow you people randomly jumping between hope & Grack & whatever? No.

I'd like to see Mig lynched, which is why I posted my thoughts. Do you somehow consider that as a bad thing? Would you consider it better if I just went all "Sure I'll sheep since I haven't done anything useful today" and voted for Grack or someone else?

I have no need to try and derail the lynch or anything, I am merely sharing the other players who would be the best target in my opinion.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 17 2014 23:46 GMT
#1291
.... The times near the deadlines happen to be when I have my free time for playing mafia. If I could do uni at night or go out with my friends in the morning, sure. I play when I have free time and more important matters are taken care of. I think instead of focusing about how often I post or when I post, you should concentrate on reading WHAT I post. Ok?
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 17 2014 23:53 GMT
#1306
I will change my vote on Grack to ensure the lynch the majority seems to be after closer to the deadline.

I am announcing this in advance since I don't want to hear any ridiculous last-minute voteswitch theories.

I am not changing my vote yet since there is time for you to understand Mig should be lynched.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 17 2014 23:56 GMT
#1311
On January 18 2014 08:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
there is fucking 5 min left`?!?!?
what are you talking about Cephiro?


I've seen people change their minds and agree to another lynch in shorter times before.

I find it very unlikely to happen this time however.

But it doesn't mean I should close out the possibility.

Is there something unclear about my last message?
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 17 2014 23:58 GMT
#1320
On January 18 2014 08:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
if grack is green then ceph is scum


And what amazing logic brought you to this conclusion? Because I cannot be a townie that just didn't want to jump on the wagon of votes right away? I'd love to hear you explain this in detail.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 17 2014 23:59 GMT
#1322
##unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 18 2014 00:02 GMT
#1333
On January 18 2014 09:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2014 08:58 Cephiro wrote:
On January 18 2014 08:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
if grack is green then ceph is scum


And what amazing logic brought you to this conclusion? Because I cannot be a townie that just didn't want to jump on the wagon of votes right away? I'd love to hear you explain this in detail.


because you're acting like the lynch will flip green while saying a bunch of useless stuff that isn't going to get your target lynched


I have no idea what Grack will flip. He could be either for as far as I know. With the staggering amount of scum lynches D1 that I've witnessed I am bound to lean towards the possibility of him flipping town. Does that make me scum? I told you what I think of Mig and consider him a better lynch option.

So if you think I said a bunch of useless stuff in your opinion, would you like to educate me? Give me a lesson on how to change the majority's mind in 20 minutes. I'm listening, if you think you know better.
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