C'mon, there are at least three other scenarios:
- Town crashes and burns
- Scum crashes and burns
- Scum gets a lead early and then falls apart until the last two townies make a mistake at LYLO

Aquanim

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November 20 2013 03:01 GMT

#87

Mocsta, are you scum?

Aquanim

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November 20 2013 03:11 GMT

#90

On November 20 2013 12:06 Mocsta wrote:
@Aquanim Why ask such a pointless, non-alignment indicative question.

I understand some people view early trolling as part of the game, however, I would think you do not fall into this category.
In fact, I would argue the above is completely out-of-character for a town Aquanim.

I played a couple of IRL games of mafia a while back and, for lack of anything better to do, asked people that question. I noticed that townies tended to just say 'No' whereas mafia tended to dodge and be sarcastic.

I don't know whether the same trend will apply here, but there's only one way to find out. Call it "Science".

Aquanim

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November 20 2013 03:12 GMT

#91

Also, it gave you something to ask me about, so as a conversation starter I consider it a success.

Aquanim

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November 20 2013 03:18 GMT

#98

On November 20 2013 12:14 thrawn2112 wrote:

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What are your conclusions about moc's alignment based on his answer?

A teeny-tiny town-lean since he seems to be relaxed.

Aquanim

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November 20 2013 03:54 GMT

#118

On November 20 2013 12:26 sciberbia wrote:

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That's interesting. I assumed you were coming to the opposite conclusion, since to me his response looks more "sarcastic and dodgy" than "just saying no". What about his response strikes you as relaxed?

+ Show Spoiler [sarcastic and dodgy] +

On November 20 2013 12:06 Mocsta wrote:
Scum: a layer of dirt or froth on the surface of a liquid.

No, I am not.

I am a mobster, which is typically "scum" in the world of forum-mafia
However, in this game, roles are reversed and of the town I am.

I think it's to be expected that in a forum game replies will be more verbose, and I'd expect some level of sarcasm from Mocsta in any case. Without any previous experience with this tactic in a forum game I don't have a baseline to compare to.

As an actual answer to your question: While his answer does have a fair bit of fluff in it, I don't get the feeling that he is uncomfortable talking about his alignment[ which I think is the pertinent point. The "No, I am not" is quite direct.

On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
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2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.

this. If I see one more person go "X/Y/Z is scumteam GG NO RE #MANNERMULES"... (especially when X/Y/Z are each and every one town...)
/rant

...
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.

The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive?

Aquanim

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November 20 2013 04:04 GMT

#124

On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:

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Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says.

@Rean
Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment?

Aquanim

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November 20 2013 04:20 GMT

#131

@Corazon
I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present.

Aquanim

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November 20 2013 04:22 GMT

#134

EBWOP: The point is I'd like you to summarise your entire case in one post and explain to me why sciberbia's behaviour is more likely from a scummer than from a townie.

Aquanim

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November 20 2013 04:45 GMT

#146

On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please.

I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.)
As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information.

I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next.

I still want an answer to this from you:

On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:

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@Rean
Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment?

Aquanim

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November 20 2013 04:51 GMT

#151

On November 20 2013 13:49 Rean wrote:

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582&currentpage=7#127

Ah yes, my bad.

Do you think Corazon's argument that sciberbia is scum is persuasive? Why or why not?

Aquanim

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November 20 2013 05:21 GMT

#158

@Mocsta, whenever you get back:

If someone gave you a day-vigilante shot and said you had to shoot someone in this thread right now, who would it be and why?

(This isn't quite the same question as "Who is your biggest scumread", by the way.)

Aquanim

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November 20 2013 06:57 GMT

#174

@Mocsta
If Corazon and sciberbia are both scum, what was their motive for going after one another as they have so early? It's focused a lot of attention on the two of them, and I can't imagine that being what scum wants.

@Rean
Why do you want to see me in particular pressured?

Aquanim

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November 20 2013 07:42 GMT

#184

On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote:
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To me you look like you're in the position that if I were scum I'd love: sit back, ask some questions, give some non-commital opinions from time to time and earn easy town credit while not under any real pressure.

So one of your questions back at you: if you had a vig shot that only hit scum, who would you aim it at right now and why?

Probably you. I don't like how easily you swallowed Corazon's case on sciberbia, given that I felt it was sketchy at best. I also don't see any particular purpose behind your posting so far - you've offered some observations when prompted but I don't see you trying to get more information and learn more about the motivations of other players, besides some half-assed and half-hearted pressuring of myself (which you tried to prompt someone else to do).

In fact, the more I think about your filter the less I like it.

##Vote: Rean

I'd give some consideration to shooting Corazon but even if I was convinced he was scum I think I'd learn much more from lynching him than by simply shooting him.

Aquanim

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November 20 2013 07:48 GMT

#186

Short answer to Thrawn's case:

I've been messing around a bit and not committing much because I'm concerned, having looked at the players who are yet to post, that if we present them with a fait accompli lynch on Corazon they'd just sheep and we'd learn nothing about them today. I figured that by holding off on my vote and being able to address them from a position of neutrality I might be able to get something out of them.

Obviously this plan has backfired, but I figure if you're going to come after me that gives them an interesting choice to make so hopefully we'll still get something useful out of them.

For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning.