Instead you rambled for 4 paragraphs about nothing. In general scum are more likely to have these knee jerk overreactions than a townie who knows he is innocent. None of your later posts have made me feel any better about you.

Not a fan of this quote either. Town are generally less concerned with whether or not they offend others with their posts.

I should also say that it was not meant offensively (towards Stutters) as I am not sure now as to whether I offended him.

Oats can you explain more about why you liked hzflank's rambling post also if you had to vote right now who would you vote for and why?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 01 2013 00:28 GMT

#208

On November 01 2013 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Scum are careful and more concerned about looking good. They pretty much never say, "Hey, I'm going to lynch this guy because other people are lynching him"

I don't agree with this when talking about new scum players. It is pretty normal for a new scum player to jump on an easy bandwagon and use that as their reasoning. That being said new townies do the same thing and I am more leaning new townie on JJ.

Grack what do you think about hzflank? ?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 01 2013 00:51 GMT

#212

What do you think makes Oat a better candidate for lynch? Any other reasons than him not liking JJ?

-Tehpoofter who do you think is scum? You have several useless posts and one saying you had no reads. We are over half way through the day you should have some suspicions at this point.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 01 2013 14:52 GMT

#366

Oats what do you think about Grack? Is this in line with his town meta? Is he normally this aggressive as mafia?

The evidence against hzflank is unquestionably circumstantial but that being said it is still better than anything else I have seen. His point against mkfuba is solid enough but he only began to actually scumhunt once there was pressure on him and Oats directly told him to. It isn't enough for me to erase my earlier suspicions.

hzflank besides mkfuba who are you suspicious of? What do you think about Oats/grack/myself?

tehpoofter/Bereft/mkfuba really need to give their opinions. Just give your opinion on anything.

Pandain is also useless but when I played with him before (a year ago or so) he was useless in pretty much every game I played with him as well, so meh.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 01 2013 17:16 GMT

#387

You misinterpreted my post hz. The point you presented against fuba was reasonable (hence solid) but it isn't more convincing to me than the evidence I had already seen against you. If I felt you had presented definitive evidence I would have said so and redirected my attention towards fuba.

Grack have you played much with pandain before? In my experience at least it is common for him to not give a fuck and barely do everything every game he plays whether he is mafia or town.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 01 2013 17:32 GMT

#391

hmmk

So you would say Pandain is or is not playing like his scum meta? You posted earlier saying he is your top scum read. If you had to vote right now are you voting him?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 01 2013 17:32 GMT

#392

That question was directed at Oats.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 01 2013 17:37 GMT

#393

Also Grack since you seem to have already decided Pandain is likely town, what do you think about him actively posting in in ## mafia and posting almost nothing here? He has something like 7 pages worth of posts in that game since that one started and he has done nothing here.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 01 2013 17:38 GMT

#394

err he has 7 pages worth of posts in ##mafia since this game started. In that time frame he has 8 posts here with all but one of them being one liners.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 01 2013 17:58 GMT

#400

I am reading through mkfubas basterd and persona mini games now.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 01 2013 18:17 GMT

#404

I have to leave for a couple hours but from scanning through basterd and persona, I definitely find mkfuba suspect. In neither game did he vote as quickly as he did here but in persona he had pretty solid logical analysis, which he is definitely lacking here. His reasoning concerning the rng and hz is pointless and shouldn't lead him to feel one way or another about hz.

I would really like to see fuba post again before the deadline.

Right now I am ok lynching hz or fuba.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 01 2013 20:58 GMT

#430

Fuba who else do you find suspicious? What do you think of oats/grack?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 01 2013 21:37 GMT

#442

On November 02 2013 06:13 Grackaroni wrote:
What do you think of Oats/Grack?

Grack- lean town. You have done somethings that I would consider anti-town (spamming the thread, repeating the same argument over and over, appearing ready to vote for LJ because he was useless and not because you felt he was scum (not totally sure how serious this was) ) but that being said I agree with you that mafia are generally more concerned about image and not ruffling feathers. Especially your argument with LJ, while I think it was anti-town it is the sort of thing I expect to see more often from a townie.

Oats- Not a fan of anything he has done. Claiming to be bad (or even just not that good) as an excuse is never good. He also has provided pretty much 0 scum hunting for the town. In general however, I don't agree with lynching active veterans day1 unless there is an incredibly strong case against them. We have the least information day1 it is better to wait on lynching people who can potentially be an asset for town until we have more information and can make more accurate decisions. I will add if hz is red I would probably go for Oats next. He was the first person to try and deflect attention away from him.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 01 2013 21:54 GMT

#448

I read through hzflank's titanic and newbie XLIV mafia games. This game seems so much more like his mafia play from XLIV. In Titanic all his posting was confident and he had no qualms pushing his reads and making cases. In XLIV he was much more wishy-washy. This game he has been incredibly wishy-washy. He makes 1 post voting for Fuba then doesn't push him at all. Telling JJ to vote for tehpoofter instead of fuba who has lurked almost the exact same amount also sits wrong with me. Why wouldn't you recommend that fuba be voted for if you actually lean scum on him and he has virtually the same amount of posts? You don't seem to actually care that we vote for scum. This combined with my earlier read on him is enough for my vote.

##Vote hzflank

I will say though fuba has also been totally useless and his one post coming back to the game didn't make him look any better. I have to go now but I will try to be back 30 min before lynch to check what is going on (no promises tho).

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 02 2013 17:14 GMT

#607

Anyone who has any common sense whatsoever should realize pretty easily that I am town. I put legitimate effort into scum hunting all of yesterday, before I had to leave.

Oats/Asinine/Bereft seem like the best targets for tomorrow.

Oats why did you disappear for so long from the thread? Would you have left your vote on Pandain if you had been around the thread near lynch?

It could be a coincidence but looking pretty shady that the 2 guys who voted pandain (bereft/oats) didn't really push for him at all then both went afk from the thread and didn't have to defend their votes or evaluate what was going on.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 02 2013 22:38 GMT

#708

Asinine you are definitely grasping at straws with your LJ analysis. Do you really think LJ is a better lynch than someone like Oats? What are your thoughts on Oats?

I am here now Pandain!

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 02 2013 22:42 GMT

#710

Asinine's analysis of tehpoofter is pretty bad as well. Tehpoofter and Stutters voted the same minute for fuba so they were essentially tied for the hammer vote on a scum. Definitely not someone that should be considered for lynch tomorrow.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 02 2013 22:51 GMT

#714

With nearly 1/3rd of the players in this game being mafia I think it is pretty optimistic to think that none of the mafia voted for Fuba (unless hermeane's replacement ends up being mafia).

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 02 2013 22:56 GMT

#720

I would challenge anyone to go and read hzflanks Titanic game and compare it to this one. His posting was 100x more confident and pro town in that game. I wasn't around for the 2 hours before lynch but to act like hzflank was ridiculously pro town before that is retarded.