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On October 17 2013 08:30 Mocsta wrote: Firstly, I'm not sure why Supersoft/Toad want to release the house member distribution so eagerly? Could either of you please divulge some reasoning behind this play I know neither of them played GoT; but IIRC, the end-game discussion resulted in agreement between players/hosts that it was in towns best interest NOT to give out the house information. Though the setups are not identical, there are enough commonalities for me to conclude that the reasons in that game, pertain in this game. i.e. mafia are randomly distributed; and there is potential there is at least one house they have not corrupted. Why give this information to them for free --> especially when we don't know what type of roles they have etc. I don't understand any of this reasoning. The only situation where mafia don't understand the exact player make-up of each house is when all the mafia are stacked in 1 or 2 houses. If they're in 3 houses they can obviously deduce the fourth. A mathematician will probably be able to tell you how likely it is that all mafia are in 2 or fewer houses, but I don't think the probability is very high. What information do you think mafia are being given by releasing the members of people's houses then? | ||
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On October 17 2013 09:01 Hopeless1der wrote: (Completely made up ability) polyjuice potion/roleblock and infiltrate target [house] player's QT. This ability fails if you guess the targets house incorrectly. Mocsta's tone is definitely protown, even if you don't like the logic. Again, mafia will have this information already barring exceptional circumstances and town will not. I don't understand your point. | ||
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On October 17 2013 09:09 Hopeless1der wrote: My point is that mocsta is right, you don't donate information you don't need to. Closed setups and contests and whatnot. I gave a poor example, but it demonstrates a case where information can be used against us. No, it didn't, in your example town is hindered, not mafia. And to repeat, it's information mafia are very likely in possession of already, whereas town are not. Why are you finding this difficult to comprehend? | ||
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Hopeless1der, you sound like you're spouting off the approved "pro-town" response without actually giving it any thought. The facts of the situation are that mafia very likely know who is in each house, and town do not know. Therefore giving town information that mafia are likely in possession of already is going to be a net benefit. What's the actual counter-argument to this other than vague waffling? | ||
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You specifically tried to create an example where knowledge gained benefits for the users of a power. In this scenario that you created, town benefits from this information. Yet somehow you state with confidence that there is zero benefit to releasing this information. Your confidence is unwarranted, and your stance not very carefully thought through. That is quite suspicious. | ||
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I will comment on what I see fit to comment on. | ||
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On October 17 2013 18:00 EchelonTee wrote: From my limited experience, primarily from Space Station Mafia, syllo is a control freak when town, especially with role heavy setups. He should be zipping around trying to root out the scum from his QT and trying to find ways to abuse this setup. His in thread presence can be limited, but his involvment in the game should not be. Still reading. You're thinking of sandroba. | ||
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On October 17 2013 17:13 yamato77 wrote: Because he doesn't have any reads, because he's mafia? It's my impression that LA is a relatively new player and he could very well be using the setup as an excuse to look active when he has a difficult time actually posting as mafia. I know I do that. Your impression would be totally incorrect. | ||
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On October 17 2013 17:23 Mocsta wrote: Interesting. I didn't take him to be a new player based on how manipulative I felt he was when conversing. Perhaps hes new to this forum; but I doubt he is new of mafia/debating. For me personally, I don't have confidence to assign his obsession with houses as a hardline town/scum tell. Other than the manipulation aspect: What I don't like, is how he went ad-hom into Hopeless1der to propel his argument. I am not sure what to make of how quickly Hopeless1der caved in, either. Please explain what was ad-hom about my arguments. And why my arguments were in any way incorrect (they were not). Hopeless1der jumped all over me for questioning your post about the house reveal. In fact I would say he defended you quite irrationally, saying you were pro-town even if your logic might be incorrect (?). Further, he then tried to discredit the point of view I was putting forth by proposing an example of a player with a certain ability. On October 17 2013 09:01 Hopeless1der wrote: (Completely made up ability) polyjuice potion/roleblock and infiltrate target [house] player's QT. This ability fails if you guess the targets house incorrectly. Mocsta's tone is definitely protown, even if you don't like the logic. and furthered this with the not-very-rigorous Closed setups and contests and whatnot as a reason. In effect, Hopeless attempted to fabricate a scenario to discredit my point of view, as in the quote above, while at the same time telling me there was 'zero' potential benefit for revealing house members. He later backed down and agreed with me, perhaps realising that he was on the losing side of the argument with me. In addition, Hopeless repeatedly pressed Skanjab for a name that he was mysteriously referring to in one of his posts. He asked him again and again and again; finally Skanjab provided a name and Hopeless didn't even comment on it. What was the purpose of this? Finally Hopeless provides a "town side of null" read to me, which seems quite out of place given the condescension he used in his arguments with me. It's worth repeating that Pandain pointed out that Cephiro made a substantial post of sorts in his house-QT without posting in the thread. Tunkeg also made a fairly irrelevant post in our QT without any followup in thread. These are two players I would usually associate with getting stuck into the action. | ||
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On October 17 2013 20:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote: In other news. VA is playing his scum meta in the QT. What is his scum meta? This statement is useless without qualification. | ||
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On October 17 2013 20:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote: 1) ... Well everybody says it is bad. So yeah I'll drop it. 2) Because you were just baiting people to say something. How do you view Skanjab at the moment? Do you believe in what you wrote about him still, or what? If you're convinced that it was bad, what was it that convinced you of this? | ||
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You repeatedly attacked Skanjab, saying he was scummy, with no indication that any of this suspicion has abated. Why are you policy lynching Vayne when you find another player suspicious? On October 17 2013 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: I overall dislike skanj right now BTW. On October 17 2013 08:11 Hopeless1der wrote: So skanj isn't really reading the thread but is painfully aware when he is being called out for anything. Townie or scummy to tunnelvision on your personal predicaments? (Open question to whoever wants to chat) | ||
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On October 17 2013 23:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Nothing that I'd be confident in any case I tried to make, no. skanj is still my strongest read, but thats a relative term. I'd rather lynch VA with his jokes to see yamato squirm at this point. Here's my issue with this. And there are two. Firstly, you've said this as town before: On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy. @wbg voters: dafuq? You've also said this as town: On April 23 2013 01:42 Hopeless1der wrote: so...its a pressure vote on someone you think is less scum than other players....are you sure you know how to play this game? Your attitude doesn't seem to tally with how you view the game when you play town. ##Vote: Hopeless1der | ||
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It mostly seems like you're castigating him for what you view as bad play, rather than mafia play. If yamato continues to care about the game, it's a reasonably good indication that he's town. Finding various things somewhat scummy early on Day 1 doesn't strike me as a particularly convincing case for someone to be mafia. | ||
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