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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 03 2013 08:14 GMT
#18
/in
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 14 2013 06:29 GMT
#157
You're going to randomly tag someone who could be potential town and marking them as scum?

Doesn't sound like a safe way to play to me .
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 14 2013 07:28 GMT
#166
At least you realize how bad that sort of thinking is , I don't feel comfortable lynching anyone just yet .
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 07:31:29
October 14 2013 07:30 GMT
#168
On October 14 2013 16:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 15:29 July617 wrote:
You're going to randomly tag someone who could be potential town and marking them as scum?

Doesn't sound like a safe way to play to me .



Makes a good point, but would it really be all that smart for scum to play risky?
I don't necessarily agree with his post but I don't see it as scummy.




I don't agree with this at all.
How exactly is lynching a afk/lurker at this point better than taking stronger odds chance of a RNG I posted earlier better?
I just don't get it. [/QUOTE]

I never said we lynch anyone .

let's just let people talk for a bit.
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 14 2013 07:51 GMT
#177
It was an edit for the quote mark i wanted to fix.
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 14 2013 07:53 GMT
#181
Wont happen again chief . Sorry folk .
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 14 2013 08:29 GMT
#196
On October 14 2013 17:19 E00e wrote:
Hello everyone, my first post!

I think the discussion about a semi random lynch or an afk lynch was somewhat pointless because the day is still early and we might find something else to lynch on. In the rare (?) case that we dont get any information we can argue about that again.
On that topic I dont think it is reasonable to immediately vote for SagaZ (who suggested afk lynch first) like istandwithmitt did.

I like that GGTeMpLaR started giving thoughts about the players in this game, because ultimately we need to do that to find our lynch target.

Something else we could and maybe should discuss is when the Cop should come out. Should they come out after checking X Mafia or Y Town or when they are about to be lynched, etc...
We dont need to do that on the first day and I dont want to sidetrack the discussion but it is something to keep in mind for the next day or if we run out of things to talk about.



I dont think anyone is sidetracked, I just think we need to talk more so we can get idea's of the active players and a direction in which to go towards . Preferably a sane one.
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 14 2013 09:13 GMT
#209
Guys let's just take it down a notch and just wait for more people to post, we've still got time .
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 14 2013 22:39 GMT
#275
Well here I am again, sorry I had a long sleep today, Odin I think your reads are good reads are strong, I can see why you pegged me as possible scum, I was just trying to talk and move things along but with that said yeah I should of added more onto my post's and contributed/clarified/spoke-up with ideas of my own.

My own personal reads ?

I don't really have confidence in anyone as of yet, I mean I know a good chunk of us are town but none of the post's here give much info (Besides mitt and playerboy going at each other . which is weird ) like i said again in a previous post we should be talking more but like E00e said we'll have a hard time finding mafia without actual evidence to back it up . So i've really got nothing so far. I'm just trying to read everyone safely and calmly.
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 15 2013 09:11 GMT
#281
@seuss I'll give you that , my past five posts over and over again have been the pretty much the same thing, only because I really don't have an idea of who I should focus my attention to. Yes istandwithmitt is an easy lynch because of how he's acting but I believe there are better lynches out there. As to who ? I'm not so sure, I wish i could say SagaZ but he could just be playing bad town . And Whether it is bad town play or he's secretly mafia, I can't lean to either side without an explanation from him .
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 15 2013 20:46 GMT
#327
U.S timezone's people, give me a break, this is day 1 here, day one and we've had four players being called for a lynch and a mighty big bandwagon going on with mitt nyx and vothin, with the exception of vothin right now, yes nyx and mitt do seem like viable choices, but are your reads really that sure that they're mafia? We could be lynching bad town and losing votes we may need later on down the road, I'd like to not have a reason to vote for mitt, but the way he's acting will only worsen with time. I'd like to believe that it will worsen with time but I really don't know, and I have to go with the fact's here and the fact's are that we need the town as strong and as trusted as can be if we're going to want to win, having bad and erratic play isn't helping us .

That's my opinion on the matter.

##Vote istandwithmitt

Nyx dont pressure vote, pressure voting is how mafia infiltrates peoples ranks, just explain yourself more, and be exact and absolute with your points.
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 15 2013 22:14 GMT
#340
Seus, I have nothing left to give you, Im bashing my head on the desk trying to figure out what I can do to make you see that I am town . I explained my vote on mitt and yet you still seem to believe i'm mafia, even going as far as saying you'd bet your "virtual life" on it . I don't know what to say, I've tried explaining myself but you just continue to call it useless and meaningless, if that's how you see it then so be it . I have nothing else to say to you because It seems like your stuck on this tirade of me being mafia, you asked me for my opinion and i gave it to you .

Yeah I jumped on the bandwagon, because at this point mitt is no use to us as a town player, he continues to write even less then myself and he doesn't seem to care anymore, why are we keeping him around then? You're saying he's contributed more than me ? I'm doing what you asked me to do in your previous post, I gave my opinion and now i'm getting attacked again by you for the one thing you wanted me to do .


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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 16 2013 10:43 GMT
#385
Whatever we do we should exhaust every tangent unless it's absolutely clear. I do think mitt is town and I'm hoping he looks at this as a stroke of luck for himself. Mitt give more substance to your posts, if we want town to win we're going to need everyone to be active and posting. And posting one liners doesn't help your case, give us your reads so you don't end up on the chopping block again, bad town play shouldn't be encouraged and if you really don't want to contribute just say so, so we can put your case to rest and move on to an actual mafia target.
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 16 2013 18:57 GMT
#413
On October 16 2013 10:32 OdinOfPergo wrote:
So why don't you?
You complain about a lack of details.
Yet you don't ask any questions.

Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 07:39 July617 wrote:
Well here I am again, sorry I had a long sleep today, Odin I think your reads are good reads are strong, I can see why you pegged me as possible scum, I was just trying to talk and move things along but with that said yeah I should of added more onto my post's and contributed/clarified/spoke-up with ideas of my own.

My own personal reads ?

I don't really have confidence in anyone as of yet, I mean I know a good chunk of us are town but none of the post's here give much info (Besides mitt and playerboy going at each other . which is weird ) like i said again in a previous post we should be talking more but like E00e said we'll have a hard time finding mafia without actual evidence to back it up . So i've really got nothing so far. I'm just trying to read everyone safely and calmly.


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On October 15 2013 18:11 July617 wrote:
@seuss I'll give you that , my past five posts over and over again have been the pretty much the same thing, only because I really don't have an idea of who I should focus my attention to. Yes istandwithmitt is an easy lynch because of how he's acting but I believe there are better lynches out there. As to who ? I'm not so sure, I wish i could say SagaZ but he could just be playing bad town . And Whether it is bad town play or he's secretly mafia, I can't lean to either side without an explanation from him .


Here were my reads and reasoning, I voted for mitt because of the fact that he was written off day one with his own post's; yes admittedly they had more stronger of a case then myself but they were still bad IMO. As the day went on I started seeing the voltin votes going through, but i chose mitt in the end because he was IMO a bad town, he was playing like it and although now it's night one and he's still the same. Save us all the headaches and deal with it like we should of night

SagaZ what do you think about Templar as of now ? Do you agree with his reasoning on pg 18 of why we should vote for mitt? I was assumed to be attempting to fly under the radar with the voltin votes what if i asked you the same thing, do you think you flew under the radar of suspicion, the only one here 100% town is seus, I know we'd all like to develop a town circle but it's always best to stay on your toes don't you think ?

I'd also like to here from the rest of the town on SagaZ and your reads on him.

Expanding my thought's later I'd like to hear the answer's first .





So you actually do think that wasting a vote on Istand is a worthless vote.
You're pretty much admitting to just taking the easy vote?
The Nyx statement at the end was just a very brief rehashing mixed with a "Oh look, I'm helping"
Nyx's one liners are the same use of Instands at this point to me.
The only thing he hasn't done is post anything but them.

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On October 16 2013 05:46 July617 wrote:
U.S timezone's people, give me a break, this is day 1 here, day one and we've had four players being called for a lynch and a mighty big bandwagon going on with mitt nyx and vothin, with the exception of vothin right now, yes nyx and mitt do seem like viable choices, but are your reads really that sure that they're mafia? We could be lynching bad town and losing votes we may need later on down the road, I'd like to not have a reason to vote for mitt, but the way he's acting will only worsen with time. I'd like to believe that it will worsen with time but I really don't know, and I have to go with the fact's here and the fact's are that we need the town as strong and as trusted as can be if we're going to want to win, having bad and erratic play isn't helping us .

That's my opinion on the matter.

##Vote istandwithmitt

Nyx dont pressure vote, pressure voting is how mafia infiltrates peoples ranks, just explain yourself more, and be exact and absolute with your points.


Everything short of reading what you seriously already posted?
Did you read the two and a half pages before it?
"Oh his post are worse than mine" If this is true why are you still around?
Why is Nyx getting the nice crumble of a supposed tip?
Why do you choose mitt over Vontin?
Are you trying to pull the weight off your scum buddy?
I don't like this.
Vonthin is a strong lynch for the town right now.
You could of gone from one no poster to another.
I only remember a few post that got brought up.

##vote July617

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On October 16 2013 07:14 July617 wrote:
Seus, I have nothing left to give you, Im bashing my head on the desk trying to figure out what I can do to make you see that I am town . I explained my vote on mitt and yet you still seem to believe i'm mafia, even going as far as saying you'd bet your "virtual life" on it . I don't know what to say, I've tried explaining myself but you just continue to call it useless and meaningless, if that's how you see it then so be it . I have nothing else to say to you because It seems like your stuck on this tirade of me being mafia, you asked me for my opinion and i gave it to you .

Yeah I jumped on the bandwagon, because at this point mitt is no use to us as a town player, he continues to write even less then myself and he doesn't seem to care anymore, why are we keeping him around then? You're saying he's contributed more than me ? I'm doing what you asked me to do in your previous post, I gave my opinion and now i'm getting attacked again by you for the one thing you wanted me to do .


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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 16 2013 18:59 GMT
#414
On October 17 2013 03:57 July617 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 10:32 OdinOfPergo wrote:
So why don't you?
You complain about a lack of details.
Yet you don't ask any questions.

On October 15 2013 07:39 July617 wrote:
Well here I am again, sorry I had a long sleep today, Odin I think your reads are good reads are strong, I can see why you pegged me as possible scum, I was just trying to talk and move things along but with that said yeah I should of added more onto my post's and contributed/clarified/spoke-up with ideas of my own.

My own personal reads ?

I don't really have confidence in anyone as of yet, I mean I know a good chunk of us are town but none of the post's here give much info (Besides mitt and playerboy going at each other . which is weird ) like i said again in a previous post we should be talking more but like E00e said we'll have a hard time finding mafia without actual evidence to back it up . So i've really got nothing so far. I'm just trying to read everyone safely and calmly.


On October 15 2013 18:11 July617 wrote:
@seuss I'll give you that , my past five posts over and over again have been the pretty much the same thing, only because I really don't have an idea of who I should focus my attention to. Yes istandwithmitt is an easy lynch because of how he's acting but I believe there are better lynches out there. As to who ? I'm not so sure, I wish i could say SagaZ but he could just be playing bad town . And Whether it is bad town play or he's secretly mafia, I can't lean to either side without an explanation from him .


Here were my reads and reasoning, I voted for mitt because of the fact that he was written off day one with his own post's; yes admittedly they had more stronger of a case then myself but they were still bad IMO. As the day went on I started seeing the voltin votes going through, but i chose mitt in the end because he was IMO a bad town, he was playing like it and although now it's night one and he's still the same. Save us all the headaches and deal with it like we should of night

SagaZ what do you think about Templar as of now ? Do you agree with his reasoning on pg 18 of why we should vote for mitt? I was assumed to be attempting to fly under the radar with the voltin votes what if i asked you the same thing, do you think you flew under the radar of suspicion, the only one here 100% town is seus, I know we'd all like to develop a town circle but it's always best to stay on your toes don't you think ?

I'd also like to here from the rest of the town on SagaZ and your reads on him.

Expanding my thought's later I'd like to hear the answer's first .





So you actually do think that wasting a vote on Istand is a worthless vote.
You're pretty much admitting to just taking the easy vote?
The Nyx statement at the end was just a very brief rehashing mixed with a "Oh look, I'm helping"
Nyx's one liners are the same use of Instands at this point to me.
The only thing he hasn't done is post anything but them.

On October 16 2013 05:46 July617 wrote:
U.S timezone's people, give me a break, this is day 1 here, day one and we've had four players being called for a lynch and a mighty big bandwagon going on with mitt nyx and vothin, with the exception of vothin right now, yes nyx and mitt do seem like viable choices, but are your reads really that sure that they're mafia? We could be lynching bad town and losing votes we may need later on down the road, I'd like to not have a reason to vote for mitt, but the way he's acting will only worsen with time. I'd like to believe that it will worsen with time but I really don't know, and I have to go with the fact's here and the fact's are that we need the town as strong and as trusted as can be if we're going to want to win, having bad and erratic play isn't helping us .

That's my opinion on the matter.

##Vote istandwithmitt

Nyx dont pressure vote, pressure voting is how mafia infiltrates peoples ranks, just explain yourself more, and be exact and absolute with your points.


Everything short of reading what you seriously already posted?
Did you read the two and a half pages before it?
"Oh his post are worse than mine" If this is true why are you still around?
Why is Nyx getting the nice crumble of a supposed tip?
Why do you choose mitt over Vontin?
Are you trying to pull the weight off your scum buddy?
I don't like this.
Vonthin is a strong lynch for the town right now.
You could of gone from one no poster to another.
I only remember a few post that got brought up.

##vote July617

On October 16 2013 07:14 July617 wrote:
Seus, I have nothing left to give you, Im bashing my head on the desk trying to figure out what I can do to make you see that I am town . I explained my vote on mitt and yet you still seem to believe i'm mafia, even going as far as saying you'd bet your "virtual life" on it . I don't know what to say, I've tried explaining myself but you just continue to call it useless and meaningless, if that's how you see it then so be it . I have nothing else to say to you because It seems like your stuck on this tirade of me being mafia, you asked me for my opinion and i gave it to you .

Yeah I jumped on the bandwagon, because at this point mitt is no use to us as a town player, he continues to write even less then myself and he doesn't seem to care anymore, why are we keeping him around then? You're saying he's contributed more than me ? I'm doing what you asked me to do in your previous post, I gave my opinion and now i'm getting attacked again by you for the one thing you wanted me to do .







EBWOP : Fucked up on the page placement . sorry guys .


Here were my reads and reasoning, I voted for mitt because of the fact that he was written off day one with his own post's; yes admittedly they had more stronger of a case then myself but they were still bad IMO. As the day went on I started seeing the voltin votes going through, but i chose mitt in the end because he was IMO a bad town, he was playing like it and although now it's night one and he's still the same. Save us all the headaches and deal with it like we should of night

SagaZ what do you think about Templar as of now ? Do you agree with his reasoning on pg 18 of why we should vote for mitt? I was assumed to be attempting to fly under the radar with the voltin votes what if i asked you the same thing, do you think you flew under the radar of suspicion, the only one here 100% town is seus, I know we'd all like to develop a town circle but it's always best to stay on your toes don't you think ?

I'd also like to here from the rest of the town on SagaZ and your reads on him.

Expanding my thought's later I'd like to hear the answer's first .

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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 16 2013 22:21 GMT
#437
On October 17 2013 06:57 OdinOfPergo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 17 2013 03:37 onlywonderboy wrote:
The more I think about it, I feel like nyx has been playing a weak town rather than strong mafia. His voting was weird, but other than that he hasn't done anything particularly scummy. He hasn't given us much to work with, but that could be a symptom of being a newer player rather than hiding in the shadows (a trap I fell into my first game). You could use this as a rallying point to get a lynch going knowing he's just playing a weak town and look innocent because other people agree he didn't contribute much. I single you out because a you are active and I think a lot of people think you are pro town and thus listen to what you have to say. This is something that happened to me last game and played a big role in the towns defeat.



The main problem I have with Nyx is the fact that his post lack any content.
If you glance back over right before the end of day 1, I mention that I'm also not willing to lynch him for that fact.
If I'm not going to assume Istand is for sure scum for the same style of posting, how can I assume it for sure on Nyx?
This stops me from voting for him but I'm still going to try to get some pressure on him to step it up.
I'm sure you remember the flurry of crap Istand got for this.
His latest post are actually attempting to remedy this to an extent. Why can't I pressure Nyx and hope for the same?
Right now especially, since people are pairing me with his lack of content.
I've spent this whole game being fairly open about how and why I view players the way I do.
If he had posted any sort of thoughts on why he was following me maby I wouldn't mind this as much.
What else, other than probe for answers, can I do?


(This doesn't mean I think very highly of either of them.
Simply that I can't really deem either as for sure mafia.)





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On October 17 2013 03:59 July617 wrote:




EBWOP : Fucked up on the page placement . sorry guys .


Here were my reads and reasoning, I voted for mitt because of the fact that he was written off day one with his own post's; yes admittedly they had more stronger of a case then myself but they were still bad IMO. As the day went on I started seeing the voltin votes going through, but i chose mitt in the end because he was IMO a bad town, he was playing like it and although now it's night one and he's still the same. Save us all the headaches and deal with it like we should of night

SagaZ what do you think about Templar as of now ? Do you agree with his reasoning on pg 18 of why we should vote for mitt? I was assumed to be attempting to fly under the radar with the voltin votes what if i asked you the same thing, do you think you flew under the radar of suspicion, the only one here 100% town is seus, I know we'd all like to develop a town circle but it's always best to stay on your toes don't you think ?

I'd also like to here from the rest of the town on SagaZ and your reads on him.

Expanding my thought's later I'd like to hear the answer's first .




Ok July,

I'm going to change my perspective on this and look at it from yours.
You're pushing into this from a point of "Well, I don't have any 100% scum reads, and nothing else has been posted to fully convince me of any. This being the case, I'm going to vote Istand because even if he's town he's just dead weight."

I only understand this off the basis that you don't find anyone else's arguments for lynches worth following.
I don't really understand why you would just ignore them then.
Why not try to post critisism on them if you questioned their reasoning?
Wouldn't that be better for the town anyway?



I moved on from the mitt vote, I have maintained an open thought about him getting his posting together and playing better town.
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 17 2013 11:56 GMT
#471
mods can we get still get a replacement?

That's understandable player boy, school should always come first good luck.

What's our plans as town, we're three town members down with the possibility of an SK, we need to get this day 2 Lynch correct and hit a mafia. Is there a possibility that it's not an SK and it's actually a vigi, at this point I'm not too sure myself but I don't think we should rule out any possibilitys until we're all 100% sure.

I'll be away from my keyboard for most of the day, I just wanted to post some thoughts about the whole vigi / sk topic, I think it's a topic we should talk about but not get completely bogged down on, because isn't a single sk less of a threat then mafia? (correct me if I'm wrong but if there is a chance of an sk or a scared vigi shouldn't we help point them to mafia so we can get two potential mafia gone for night and day 2?)
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 18 2013 01:18 GMT
#509
Sorry guys, quick post - long day, need a shower. Bereft that's a good framework of thinking, i'm just asking questions here, but if the same were said about you what's your defense to that?


Balla I hope you've got a defense as well .
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 18 2013 05:29 GMT
#526
Nyx and mitt's voting style is going to screw with town if they are town, and my thought's are that i'm sure they are 70% town, why? Simply because of the bad voting style, would mafia (if they were) vote so poorly?

Yes but even then I don't think this game is five levels deep, (I know it's not something that should be said but we shouldn't try and over assume anything, that's how town get's lynched like day 1 (yeah I could of stopped it but i didn't and i messed up and i apologize for that, and I think lynching bad town isn't something we can afford to do anymore) , and we can't afford any more miss-lynches .

Now with that said yes it could apply to wonderboy and E00e, which comes out to four potential town - Of this my read is 40 - 50 percent, not a strong number i know, but realistically speaking what if they are? What's to say that they're not, couldn't it always be a possibility?

(Yes I know that isn't a safe way to play but it's the only one coming from myself that i believe in enough to post to contribute something to the game.)
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July617
Profile Joined October 2013
United States72 Posts
October 19 2013 00:00 GMT
#634
On October 19 2013 07:33 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2013 07:21 Seuss wrote:
On October 19 2013 07:12 Balla24 wrote:
Oh come on... you've pressured me enough already don't you think. Jesus.


That was only the thumb vices. We haven't used the rack or the iron maiden yet.


Hahaha. You turned me to pissed off to laughing and smiling fast. But still. Fuck you! ^_^

Let's look at July: this guy has less than a page of filter, with a lot of one liners. I'm reading over it now. The only hard stance he has taken was against istandwithmitt, as soon as that vote didn't go through, he backed off. After that he hasn't taken any more. All he's done is tentatively marked people as town.

Remember this fishy post that Bereft originally pointed out (he completely ignored it so far):

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On October 18 2013 10:18 July617 wrote:
Sorry guys, quick post - long day, need a shower. Bereft that's a good framework of thinking, i'm just asking questions here, but if the same were said about you what's your defense to that?


Balla I hope you've got a defense as well .


And what I pointed out before:

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On October 18 2013 23:58 Balla24 wrote:
On October 18 2013 14:29 July617 wrote:
Nyx and mitt's voting style is going to screw with town if they are town, and my thought's are that i'm sure they are 70% town, why? Simply because of the bad voting style, would mafia (if they were) vote so poorly?


This is a contradiction in itself. If their voting styles are bad and will screw with town, then they are mafia because they aren't helping town? What? That's like saying "man this guys posting sucks and he's really not pro-town, so he's probably not scum because scum would think better". No. That's not logical. How do you hunt for scum then July, pls explain?



Since then, he hasn't posted at all. It's hard to get a read on him, I know, but at least pressure him instead of me (with your vote, feel free to continue pressuring me without your vote as I'm quite sure i've made it clear I will respond to your pressure).


Looking at nyx and Istandwithmitt we've got two player's who seem to like voting with the majority, this is a scary and dangerous thing simply because if mafia have intruded into your and even my own town circles all they'd need to do is post a convincing argument and then the vote get's swayed to 1 mafia and two townies (if indeed they are townies this is not the way to play and you're hurting town more than anything by playing this way.) which leaves two mafia to hide and wait to post to sway the vote. Now the simple option would be to lynch nyx or mitt and see if they flip mafia, and if they do well then we can go from there. But if they flip town, like I think they might be then we're SOL, and I'm not sure what our options as town are then .


We can't afford any more town lynches people, and yes i know they have little to no context and yes the same can be said about me, but these are the only people that we can obviously see as a detriment to the town . That being said Bereft, i'l be voting ohwonderboy, simply because he's seen Istandwithmitt posting and nyx, and yet he still continues to be a yes man . People we dont need yes men ! we need thought out idea's and posts, and if nyx is an SK well then take out the person you think is strong scum and we'll lynch you if we're really convinced you are SK. I do think that SK should be used to town advantage , according to their roll they win when only town is left, so it's to there benefit to take out mafia so Nyx again if you are SK then help the town and kill a mafia tonight .


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