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Shit I don't even know what to write... Been so looong. Oats seem either weird, confused or scummy. Not sure which yet. On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Stifling discussion is top scum play for calling someone scummy when they are being agressive and shit. Holyflare is the right lynch!. The first sentence still doesnt make sense to me after reading it 5 times (Hungover so might be my fault). it also baffles me that he seems so sure about who to lynch so early. There are other examples: On October 02 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote: All those words. That dont mean anything. I meant saying that someone is stifling discussion is what scum always like to do. Everyone else thinks that you are scummy. Therefore I cant do anything more to convince people at this point of time. COME ON HOLYFLARE. STOP POSTING LONG POSTS. NOT GOOD. You and BH are probably not on the same scumteam but I have a way more sure read on you than on BH. BH, is Holyflare a noob or not? This whole posts is nonsense aswell. But through all this I somewhat still think he is town... hmm... HF's rambling about meta and being weak is rubbish. Him jumping the rng wagon, as pointed out by Risen, without any good reason is rubbish. After this, despite that BH think he have been posting better, he havent really done anything. He has sheeping BH and using BH arguments to push oats. ##Vote Holyflare | ||
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On October 02 2013 18:48 Holyflare wrote: The first line of your post says that we should move on and find scum but you haven't really contributed anything in accordance to that. Why not? Are you just happy to sit back and follow the herd? Is this for me? Who am I following? (Besides leaning on Risens observations about your rng vote) I'm pretty sure voting you is inside the box labeled "Finding scum" right now. Marv why is it bad for me to vote HF as my opener? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 02 2013 12:52 Holyflare wrote: Do you even read what is posted? On October 02 2013 14:05 Holyflare wrote: Stop posting long posts??? It's called analysis of a player. The fact that even after I've posted that you aren't asking me anything, aren't trying to discover whether I am in fact town or not and aren't trying to decipher other peoples motives is just rubbing me the wrong way. It's easy to jump on a player because he played the noob card but there are 2 scum in this game not just one. If i were to be lynched and did indeed flip town then wouldn't you regret not pressuring other people on why they think i'm a sure fire scum? When I read through his filter it feels clinicly clean. Don't know how to describe it really... it like trying to get rotten wood look fresh on the surface. | ||
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On October 02 2013 19:13 Clarity_nl wrote: Would still like your thoughts on oats, marv. And i would like your thought on me instead of "Oh i'll take that ##Vote" | ||
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On October 02 2013 19:22 Clarity_nl wrote: I could quote marvs posts if you'd like but they're right there. #Sheeple You spend 4 paragraphs on a null read yet your scumread is hardly explained. Saying HF has done nothing means you haven't read the thread carefully enough. Reading him as most likely to be scum is bleh. Thank you. Ok. So I went back to find evidence that HF have been sheeping BH. Not much was found... Only little thing was this (and it's not really worth noting in the sheeping department): On October 02 2013 13:56 Holyflare wrote: -snip- Not to mention; If you think (you said you KNEW) a person was scum, your orientation as a townsman should be to prove to your allies that the person is in fact scum. If you do not interact with the person at all how can you garner anymore information than the one post you base your entire 'analysis' on? The fact that you say everyone else agrees with you in this thread is just testament to the fact that you have put no effort or thought into your stance and are just going with the flow to follow up for an 'easy' lynch. On October 02 2013 13:47 Blazinghand wrote: The answer seems obvious to me. Your goal is to establish the alignment of the guy you have a scumread on. Sure, you think he's scum, but you don't KNOW. So you talk with him. You talk with other players and try to convince them. Maybe they support you, maybe they point out how he's scummier or townier than you thought. In these interactions, most people betray what alignment they are through how they think-- be they town or scum. The goal is to develop a co-operative discourse in which people all have solid reads on each other. It involves an acknowledgement that part of what writing a case and voting is, is pressure-- it's developing your read. When you lie, I will call you a liar. Quote me instead of putting words in my mouth. Other then that HF have been more original then I said he had been. Hmm.. That clashes with my previous belief. After re reading I'm also leaning more scum on oats. But I'm not sure it is entirely because of re-reading or just because I now think HF looks less scum. The problem with oats is that he have done some wierd shit as I pointed out earlier. But the feel I get when reading his filter is of someone who cares... | ||
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Since I don't have much to work with so early on it is mostly how I feel. That probably sounds weird but thats how my head works. And don't hold the ellipses agaisnt me. I assure you that it is random. I used to do it a lot but I'm trying to stop when there is no particular need. I am not very good at that yet. | ||
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On October 02 2013 21:03 marvellosity wrote: I mean seriously, if you're going to vote for someone like that, you should probably check that what you're saying about them is actually true, don't you think? Or is the truth not important when attached to a vote? Truth is important. I was wrong I admit that. But I don't always go back and re-read just to be sure right before posting. I read the thread and was I got from it was that HF had sheeped BH so i wrote that. That turned out to be wrong after more careful scrutiny. Worse then that it puts me back as for as reads go. I don't understand why he is an easy place to put my vote. It would have been so much easier just to vote rayn if I wanted to do that. | ||
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If I'm scum I wouldn't draw that much attention to myself. Meh... | ||
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On October 02 2013 22:44 Clarity_nl wrote: Man... Could you explain your townread on oats better? You seemed to go "despite this list of things I just mentioned I still think he's town because reasons", namely that he cares... Could you point out some examples? Sure. It's they way he write. The usage of caps and the frustration in his posts when BH think he is scummy. As I wrote earlier it's a feel thing.. On October 02 2013 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote: ##unvote Explain? You seemed so sure earlier... | ||
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On October 02 2013 22:49 marvellosity wrote: You wouldn't know you were drawing attention to yourself until someone picked up on it though. Let's move on a little. What do you make of my push on you? Does it feel warranted and townie-motivated? If not, why not? I like your push. Your questions and pokes have some reason behind them. It also helps me explain myself better. I felt maybe clarity made the obligated questioning of your vote and reason and then just jumped the "wagon"... But I'm really sure what to do with that. And I would argue that making a vote with your first post will always draw attention. Especially when there is so little to work with... | ||
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On October 02 2013 22:56 Oatsmaster wrote: I read/detunneled. ##vote Dirkzor also sheeping marv is cool. That's not really a reason though... What made you change your mind? How do you see him different than before? What made you "detunnel"? | ||
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On October 02 2013 23:09 Clarity_nl wrote: If that were the case I'd have about 5 scumreads That means you already have 3 town reads... Interesting... | ||
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On October 03 2013 09:58 slOosh wrote: There's nothing too compelling in the case on Clarity. There's a potentially good point in how clarity retracted his townread of me, but given clarity's explanation and the fact that he actually draws attention to it is a plus for him. He threw out his big case, and then just sits on it. There's no trying to convince people he is right, or even bring some attention to it, then he goes into sulking mode (immune to lynch? really?) without either trying to boil down his case into succinct points, or moving on to other stuff cause maybe he is wrong and it is a good time to regroup. Seems like pretense of contribution to me. Your current evaluation of Risen? Also clarity, I can see you angling for my lynch or something. Anything you want to ask me directly? On October 03 2013 12:18 slOosh wrote: Booorinngg The following quotes contain wiffle-waffle: Agree / Disagree? On October 03 2013 12:20 slOosh wrote: I feel good about this one. ##Vote: Clarity_nl Wat? Explain how you went from "Nothing to compelling" to then add some wiffle-waffle and suddenly you feel good about it? | ||
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On October 03 2013 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am trying to find out myself if i believe his "feel reads" are legit or if he is scum. Dirkzor if you base your early day 1 reads on feels, why did you say somthing completely different in your post where you voted for HF? If it's a gut read why frame it to something else? I don't believe I framed it to be anything other then a feel read. I wrote how I felt about him. Him posting rubbish and following BH. After re-reading to stand up for my belief I got another feeling because there really wasn't any evidence.. And people have been noticing how I made 2 quotes of Oats and then voted HF with only a few lines attached. That was because BH said oats was scummy and I wanted to weigh in on that. The post ended up going another way though. | ||
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On October 03 2013 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am trying to understand what's going on with BH and Oats, but it's really hard. Everything else has been said pretty much so no need to repeat it. On October 03 2013 05:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i get that marv. I agree what's been said about Sloosh/Dirk/HZ. I have now read the BH/Oats interaction for 2 times and i still don't know what to make out of it. Guess i know after one more time. From what he have done so far is thinking real long and hard about BH/oats interaction without ever coming to a conclusion. He don't want to comment on anything else in the game because "it have been said" and "i agree". What? Are you 100% in agreement? You don't have anything to add to any case or any resservations about any case or reaction thereof? This is the worst: On October 03 2013 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: No there isn't. You use many words and your posts are for some reason hard to understand to me, so i need to read them over and over again. I am going to go through the interaction with you and Oats again to see what i think about it. BH is in the thread and want to talk about something that rayn have pondering. Instead of asking BH questions about the things he slides of and does nothing... Rayn looks like a good lynch actually. But I would still like to hear from Sloosh too. | ||
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