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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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Imma VT, but this claim thing is really silly since the optimal claim for literally every single role is to claim VT. Anyway it's bedtime for me - see y'all in the morning. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On August 08 2013 05:34 geript wrote: Here's the way I see it. The unlynchable claims and isn't counterclaimed that means that we're lynching in a pool of 4; it narrows the scope of who we need to look at. Assuming a townlynch D1 (scum/jester lynches are moot), if scum chooses to hit the unlynchable, then it's a 50/50 shot of winning for every team essentially. If the unlynchable is counter claimed once, then things get dicey as it could be either scum or jester. I had a plan for this but it's moot now. If the unlynchable was counterclaimed twice, then we have no worse than a 50/50 shot of winning. So the plan on forcing the claim isn't worthless like Hapa said. It actually bothers me that he thought it was. I want him to respond on why he thinks the correct claim for every role would be VT regardless of their actual role. The unlynchable townie should not claim... because he can't be lynched! The only way he can die is if he gets shot, and claiming puts a direct target on his back. You want him/her to claim to make things easier, but we would actually benefit more from having discussion and no-lynching the player rather than having him/her claim and getting insta-shot Night 1. On August 08 2013 05:41 geript wrote: On phagga. He looks like he's absolutely trying to get lynched. He just keeps on making these obvious non-towny sentiments in the thread. This is a really big key for me: You notice that he has no interest in following through on this. He "knows" that one of Oats/me are liars. But his continuation isn't to try and pressure either Oats, myself or Hapa (when he claims). He wants to focus on talking about the plan. Summary: It looks like he's trying to be lynched aka Jester. At worst, scum trying to be the jester. Nothing about either of these posts strike me as off or even "jester like." Him disagreeing with your plan is completely reasonable (since I can't even think of a good reason for it), and him not pursuing you or oats within a couple of pages of the game. Anyway I think Mocsta is scum. All his posts are completely contentless so far. For example, take this post: On August 07 2013 22:59 Mocsta wrote: 1. phagga is rubbing me the wrong way majorly. I dont like his response to me calling him a jester, and I don't like his reasonings for withholding "information" regarding claiming. 2. I think oats is dumb for giving geript so much credit for coming up with a plan. a. he claimed vt instantly...which usually happens in any game b. the plan was shite and to me still doesn't make sense even with phagga attempt to expand. ====== What do town want 1. Avoid lynching jester 2. Lynch scum, if too hard then lynch lynchproof What do mafia want 1. Avoid lynching jester 2. Lynch lynchproof 3. Lynch townie Why lynchproof first? Because it increases odds of non-jester lynch on day2. What do jester want? 1. Ask phagga I guess jester is like SK with balancing act. Want to keep low profile to avoid being shot, but still need to be scummy enough to be lynched. I wouldn't be surprised if jester claimed lynchproof on day2 as a last resort either. ==== The problem with the plan... Whilst its obvious to anyone claiming vt is normal play.... geript thinks it is wise to devise a plan hinging upon identifying lynchproofs...hhmmmmmmmmmm. and who wants to hit the lynchproof on day1.... Mafia does. He calls Oats "dumb" (which is both unnecessarily inflammatory AND trusting - why is Oat's "dumb" instead of "scum"). And he seems to be calling phagga simultaneously the jester and a scum-suspect without really making it clear why he thinks either. Phagga's reaction to Mocsta calling him Jester seems absurdly irrelevant, especially when Mocsta doesn't clarify anything about it. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On August 08 2013 06:06 geript wrote: only post #2 hapa? What's up in your world? Woke up at 4:30pm. Yeah I don't know why. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On August 08 2013 06:14 geript wrote: I'm used to seeing more insight from you but the stuff you have on Moc isn't really that damning to me. I'm surprised you don't have better analysis on him really. There's not much analysis, because there's really not much substance there. The guy is posting inconsequential things and sounds like he's posting for the sake of it rather than posting genuinely. Obviously things early in the game won't be damning, but of all the players in the game that have posted so far, Mocsta looks by far the worst. Oats is being very confrontational/spazzy, which is pretty semblant of his townplay. Phagga sounds extremely paranoid (townie) in reaction to Mocsta's "jester" thing. You have your try-hard pants on. That leaves Mocsta so far, and his filter ain't pretty. He has very little susbstance in his posting, and his first "analysis" post lacks a lot of the "methodical" thought-process I associate him with. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On August 08 2013 08:05 geript wrote: TI3? Would you agree that you're usually more active? What's changed? Like I remember you being reasonably active in hydra nuke edition. The International 3 (see TL streaming sidebar) As far as activity goes, it is usually based around gameflow. I'm actually not always very active early in the game, and I base my activity around the town's need for a leader and/or generating discussion. Right now, I have a scum-read and I'm waiting for that player to respond. The only other person that's awake right now is you, and you seem absurdly townie. I would love to have a town circle-jerk with you right now, but we seem to agree on reads. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On August 08 2013 08:19 geript wrote: You see I'm not 100% sold on Mocsta and I too want to see what all he has to say. I've had scum reads on him before and it's flipped in a heartbeat. Not really enough to get real good use of meta already. My problem is that I don't have a real read on you and I can only really judge you by your reads. So do you think phagga is jester or how do you read him? Also what do you think of Oats? I'm not sold on the phagga = jester thing. Nothing about his game has been scummy so far, and I think his reaction to Mocsta calling him jester was townie. His reaction had a paranoia about it, if you read the string of posts from here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424302¤tpage=4#66 It seems genuine and you can see his mind unravel around Mocsta's "claim." Oats... ...is probably town. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On August 08 2013 08:31 geript wrote: He's done that as scum though too iirc. It was in the unbalanced nuke game. I don't consider that necessarily a town tell for him at all. And, while I've only skimmed his filter, I don't have an actual read on him. Why does that one post make him probably town when he does that as both alignments? Well firstly no read is 100% at this point in the game. That being said, I associate uncompromising behavior with Oats' town-side. I remember that Nuke game he played (as a Hydra) pretty well, and he was pretty friendly by his standards. | ||
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On August 08 2013 08:42 geript wrote: Nah I'm misremembering the event. Oh you mean the Nuclear Winter game? I haven't read it, and I'm assuming he rolled scum? | ||
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Well there are several ideas being bounced around right now. For example, there's been some "Phagga is Jester" talk that I'd like to hear your thoughts on. As well as any other scum-reads you might have. | ||
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On August 08 2013 12:02 Oatsmaster wrote: This statment. Im town, phagga's town, geript's town. Oh wait. Hapa cant be town then. Yeah so phagga and hapa are the anti town factions. Which one is scum and which one is jester though. I don't really separate Jester and townies for now. How people play Jester is going to vary greatly. On August 08 2013 12:47 geript wrote: Why do you have such a hard time reading me Moc? :sadface: What do you make of Hapa not really commenting on the plan other than "stupid" That's a huge misrepresentation of what I've been posting considering your "plan." Like I said, every single role wants to claim VT. You seem to think that we should have the unlynchable claim, but that just makes them a target on N1. They can always claim if they're about to get lynched. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On August 08 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote: wait so hapa, you would play jester as townie as possible? No, but a Jester won't necessarily reveal his/her hand this soon. You have to balance being scummy with being laughably obvious. On August 08 2013 13:11 geript wrote: I don't see the difference. If you dismiss the plan without explaining why you think it's bad then that's the same to me. Just because you don't understand my explanation doesn't mean I didn't explain it. As said twice before, there's simply no merit in having the unlynchable townie claim now. Why out a blue when we don't need to? He can claim at [i]any time. Best case scenario for town is to have him live to tomorrow and THEN claim.[/b] | ||
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Hapahauli
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Why are you voting phagga? I've seen plenty in yoru filter about him being jester, but no reasoning about why you think he's mafia. It doesn't seem like you're even interested in figuring out his allignment. On August 09 2013 23:38 geript wrote: No lie, when I started reading that case I was all: "that feels like a rally odd case for a townie to make" What is this crap? | ||
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Hapahauli
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But yeah, sorry about the modkill - I forgot that the game was on a 24 hour post rule as opposed to a 48. Needless to say I wasn't expecting to win the game, but I should have been more aware of the rules D= | ||
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Hapahauli
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On August 12 2013 15:12 Mocsta wrote: Hehe. U woulda won with me day2 Lynching phagga and then the night kill We would outnumber town 2 to 1. Bh is saying that's where the fun starts as town can fake claim. But I still think we had it in the bag  Anyways. Why call me out as jester? I can't really say I had a gameplan going into this. I jumped on the first thing scummy I found in-thread, and then realized I was right when you made that phagga case. Then I just stopped pushign you... or even posting =P | ||
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