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On July 24 2013 13:17 Sylencia wrote: Firm, thoughts about anonymity in the qts? I already told my partner who I was so it's too late... | ||
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On July 24 2013 13:33 ShiaoPi wrote: sup guys. I'm a vt phoneposting btw dude, why you claim? | ||
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On July 24 2013 14:46 Z-BosoN wrote: Hey dudes I think to start things off, I want to implore you to please avoid spam in the thread, and at all costs, DONT LURK. Ima bit traumatized frm nuclear mafia Also, I would like everyone to comment on this QT mechanic, and how it should be used. To answer my own question, I am of the view that the QTs should be as active as possible. Each person in the QT should gauge the reaction of their buddy and try to compare the general posting on the thread and on the QT. Its another source of information that should be used. HOWEVER, the good posts and analysis should be in the thread, where everyone can view the info. Im sure scum would much rather hide behind the QTs instead of posting out in the open, so lets try to avoid that. For clarity: Random thoughts, fluff, and other stuff = QT Cases, relevant analysis, poking and prodding = thread Thoughts/comments? What do you think about revealing who your partner is? Should you do it no matter what or only when you think you have dirt on them? | ||
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On July 24 2013 15:03 Z-BosoN wrote: @FirmTofu I think there is no point to the QTs if we treat people there as we would treat people here. Anonymity is much more comfortable for scum to post in because they cannot be held liable for their posts. IMO this is quite agreeable. Can you explain what you mean by "only revealing when you have dirt on them"? Do you find this to be a valid plan? Nono, you didn't understand what I said. I'm asking do you think we should tell the thread who our QT partners are? | ||
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On July 24 2013 15:13 Z-BosoN wrote: Oh. No, I disagree. I think that the information associated with the timing of future mason claims is relevant. TBH, I dont see the point at all to announce your partners for no reason at this stage of the game. What say you? Agreed. | ||
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Where I stand: People should NOT be anonymous in their QTs. There is no reason to do that. People should be trying to discern the alignment of their partner, but not to the point where they stifle discussion in the QT. Pressure him, but don't argue incessantly. People should not tell the thread who their partners are. If the partners are both town, we end up denying scum a TON of useful information by not saying who your partner is. It will also be useful to find mini-mason circles to confuse scum. | ||
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I'm going to explain exactly why I didn't like ShiaoPi's VT claim. You can decide whether my reasoning is scummy but don't give me this bullshit "Kenpachi rule" to justify your suspicions. Why Claiming VT As Town Is Bad Alright, so we are assuming the claimer is town. Great. Why is this bad play? Let me explain. There are two situations possible if you are town. You are either: 1) Blue claiming VT 2) VT claiming VT 1-> I think we can all agree that blue claiming VT is a terrible idea. It introduces unnecessary confusion in the town and serves no purpose. 2-> This is a little more debatable. Let's assume for a second that claiming VT as VT is a good play. If it was good, then everyone should agree that all VTs should claim VT, right? Okay, let's play out what happens when all VT's claim VT. Assuming some sort of balance with 6VT, 3Blue, 3Scum... we will have 6 VT claiming VT. However, this forces scum into a decision point. Do they claim VT or remain unclaimed? If they choose to remain unclaimed, they would be associating themselves with the 3 blues. If they claim VT, they would be associating themselves with the VTs. Town would be subject to a mass roleclaim and it would be impossible to discern alignments because scum could have just as easily fakeclaimed into either grouping. Town learns absolutely nothing and scum would easily be able to pick out the blues one by one while hiding in a sea of VTs barring fake roleclaims from town. If you agree with this scenario, you must agree that claiming VT as VT is not good town play. | ||
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On July 25 2013 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: FT why di you not say this in the first place? Why would I need to say it? I thought it was common knowledge that claiming VT is a terrible idea. In bluelightz, everyone agreed that TG claiming VT was scummy. It should be considered scummy here as well. | ||
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On July 25 2013 07:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Tofu, do you think claiming VT makes Shiao more likely to be scum? No. If I had to guess his role, it would be VT. He's just stupid to accuse me based on how I responded. | ||
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On July 25 2013 07:10 Lazermonkey wrote: Tofu you are correct in that claiming VT is bad. But he didn't really CLAIM VT. And that type of theory crafting is only really relevant when you know what roles there are in the and how many of them there are. Everyone in this game could be VT except for scum. We don't know because the setup is closed. On July 24 2013 13:33 ShiaoPi wrote: sup guys. I'm a vt phoneposting btw On July 24 2013 19:44 ShiaoPi wrote: So I am back home. Reasons for claiming vt: First off it's true lol, more importantly however I wanted to get some juicy reactions and I got some noteworthy already. the thing is the claim itself is entirely not indicative of alignment and in my opinion town should just take a note on it and move on. Sure you can't prove anything at this stage, but does it matter? You should be scumhunting not harping around a non-alignment indicative behavior. So let me summarize some reactions to it. Z-boson is doing the right thing, just noting it and moving on as seen here: + Show Spoiler + On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote: Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... FirmTofu and rayn however strike me as incredibly scummy right now. Lazer already pointed out the thing that stands out about FirmTofu's behavior, so no need for me to elaborate on him. On Rayn however: Do you see the blatant contradiction? His first reaction is just a wtf, which is okayish to me, but a bit on the scummy side. Then he says that it is "pointless" and either "stupid or scum". Saying that there is no reason for me to do it: + Show Spoiler + On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. As Z boson points out however that it is simply not alignment indicative rayn goes to this position: + Show Spoiler + On July 24 2013 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's the only thing ShiaoPi has posted, how could anything else be an issue with him? I know the claim is not alignment indicative in itself, but ShiaoPi's reasons sure are. There is a reason he said what he did, and i want to know what his reasons were. Sylencia asks people about if mason-partners should reveal their identity to each other. However he himself seems to have no stance on that. That's what caught my attention. Sylencia: Do you think mason partners should reveal their identity to each other? Why/why not? So let me summarize: -WTF --> Stupid or Scum --> He has a plan!!!! I don't apprehend how you can go through these stages based on logic. It is much more likely he tried to paint me in a bad manner, then saw that it did not quite work out and reverted course. I mean in the beginning he does not even entertain the notion of my claim being part of a plan, he just says stupid/scum. Anyway since he apparently got killed already not much more to say about him. ##Vote: FirmTofu See bold. It's relevant. Are you seriously telling me that ShiaoPi is lying? Are you saying SP lying is more likely than not lying? Why the fuck do you think I'm the best lynch target if you think SP is lying? LM is one scummy SOB. | ||
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1) ShiaoPi makes a hell of a case against Rayn but still thinks I am somehow more scummy than him. 2) LazerMonkey seems to think SP's VT claim could be a lie and is therefore null. Why does he pursue me instead of SP? 3) Rayn thinks I'm scummy for the same reasons that everyone else thought he was scummy. What? If you aren't scum and people are accusing you and me of the same scumtell, then you have to believe that the scumtell is not alignment indicative with regards to me. 4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on. 5) Dandel Ion is being spammy, unproductive, and annoying. | ||
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On July 25 2013 07:28 Lazermonkey wrote: You don't make any sense what so ever dude. Please reread what I said a couple of times and think a little. Yes, why couldn't he be lying? Give me one reason. Why cannot prove him false anyway. His claim means jack shit. And why are you ignoring the fact that this is a fucking closed setup? There could be 9 VT claiming and for all we know it could actually be correct because we don't know what setup this is. Also, lynch all liars is a terrible policy. lying about being VT in this setup isn't alignment indicative at all. It doesn't hurt town or help scum. Its 100% null. I don't think you are the best lynch atm, read the thread better please. And lastly, HOW DID THIS MAKE ME SCUMMY? I know you don't think I'm the best lynch anymore, but at one point, you did. Of course he can be lying. It is a possibility. My point is, why did you feel the need to specifically point it out and then proceed to buddy him for a lynch of me? If SP's claim is truly null to you, why did you act as if he was town and I was scum? Your behavior doesn't make any sense. | ||
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On July 25 2013 07:41 Lazermonkey wrote: That wasn't really your point at all. And you got it all backwards. I was the first to suspect you but not because of the kenpachi thing but because of your wierd take on ShiaoPi's claim. ShiaoPi was the one to agree with my suspicions on you. At this point I didn't think Shiao was town, just null. It was first later on when during his interactions with Rayn when I thought he was town, I still do. I don't see how this doesn't make any sense. Also, why am I scummy? I don't care to argue with you about this quite just yet. I want to hear from rayn/Artanis/SP first and I will decide whether I I need to take a second look at you. | ||
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I'm currently don't like Sylencia very much. On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote: Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. Explain thx. Also, Artanis is my current partner (don't think he mentioned it) Bolded relevant. On July 24 2013 23:57 Sylencia wrote: Oh wait, we weren't supposed to reveal? I thought the opposite was better - what am I missing =| On July 25 2013 00:10 Sylencia wrote: Oh, I was under the assumption that the last point was kinda being followed. I also thought the reasoning was horrible to start, but I now completely understand that blue death will cause those linked to them to be targetted fast in the case information was given out. I find the last quote very scummy. Sylencia admits the reasoning is horrible but was under the impression that she should be following it? If she thought the reasoning was bad, she should have been questioning me and calling me out on it. That's what I would expect town to do. Scum, on the other hand, would sit back and wait for a town consensus. He also did exactly what I said we shouldn't be doing, so there's that. I still don't have very strong scumreads and it is becoming frustrating. I'm going to run through the filters again and pick someone. I would like to hear from Sylencia first. | ||
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On July 26 2013 00:51 Dandel Ion wrote: I'm leaving for today and will 99% miss the deadline and shit. Throwing my substantial abilities of premonition into the future, I predict a lynch on Firmtofu, so I'm preemptively sheeping a wagon that's not being consolidated yet, but should be, because CONSOLIDATE YOU MORONS thanks. ##Unvote ##Vote FirmTofu We don't necessarily need to consolidate because it's plurality lynch. You should be voting your biggest scum read, not sheeping a wagon. | ||
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On July 26 2013 01:03 Koshi wrote: FT my man, I have been wrong in the past. I will make it up with you today by sheeping your vote. I would you to put it on Artanis though. But w.e. Sheeping me is the last thing I would want you to do if you were town. Start scumhunting. Find your biggest scumread and vote for him. If it's Artanis you should be voting for him right now. | ||
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