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On June 22 2013 12:03 Im a pedophile wrote: /in Easiest scum read of my life. | ||
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On June 22 2013 13:12 StiMaDDict wrote: Uhh, she's my friend that is new to forum mafia and TL forum... I persuaded her to play with me :X Forgive her for me this once. Please? Is there a way to change the account name? else I will tell her to make another account. Wait, wait, wait. Let me get this straight. Your friend is a lady who, when given literally endless possibilities of user name options, chooses 'Im A Pedophile' as her account name in a new internet community? You know what, I changed my mind. That is Town as FUCK. | ||
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I'm gonna go ahead and post the play I had written earlier this week analyzing this game from a pro-town perspective. If any of my analysis is off-base, please jump in and steer me back on track. Pre-written segment starts now: Alright, chums. First let me state that in NO WAY is the following message a call for a mass claim. If you are the Parity Cop (assuming you even exist), DO NOT SAY SO. In fact, if you're our town's parity cop, it's probably better if you appear to ignore what I'm about to say completely. Same goes for Trackers and Watchers. DO NOT CLAIM. But read carefully, because you are a big part of whether we succeed or fail (whether we follow my plan or not). Now everyone, pay attention: Looking over the roles, the extremely juicy pro-town potential jumped right off the page at me, as I hope it did to many of you. Trackers can tell us if a person visits someone. Pretty good, but not nearly as good as the Watcher, who can pick a person and sees all who visit them. Obviously, this means we can try to guess the guy who's going to be mafia-killed, and we have a couple shots at seeing if he either gets visited, or manage to Track the mafia member who happens to be tagged to do the deed. Not great odds on either, but still better than nothing. My plan utilizes each role to their maximum potential. Because we are not guaranteed to have a Tracker, Watcher, or even a Parity Cop, it's important that for the roles we DO get, we use them efficiently. The Watcher needs to guess the target they think will be mafia-killed tonight. This is up to your judgement, but I'll make a recommendation later today. The fun part comes with the Tracker and the Nosy Neighbor (and by extension Parity Cop). The Tracker should secretly track the Nosy Neighbor. AGAIN, MR. OR MRS. TRACKER: DO NOT CLAIM NOW. If we have a Nosy Neighbor, they should claim IMMEDIATELY. Once the Tracker can confirm that the Nosy Neighbor is in fact moving around at night, but not visiting the person who got Mafia-killed, WE CAN ESTABLISH HIM AS TOWN. This is a big deal. The Parity Cop can then tag the confirmed Nosy Neighbor as Town and start measuring up suspects against them. If he gets a 'Different' claim, the other person is Scum. If he gets 'Same', they are town. I can elaborate further, but I feel like you can all piece together whatever holes are out there without me holding your hand even further. This is an extremely pro-town set-up (assuming there aren't a bunch of red herrings in which case, Hi I'm sponge, and I just gave you all the book on me.) and I'd like to move fast before mafia can organize their thoughts in their private little forum. If we move fast, and force independent action, they lose one of their many advantages. | ||
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To me, everyone who is posting one-liners looks spammy to me, but I think the 'everyone is scum until they convince me otherwise' mentality isn't the worst thing in the world. Spicy and Xzavier are on my radar for the fluff and nonsense at the beginning. Chromatically and FirmTofu seem the most town as they were very quick to point out what were (in their view) flaws in a plan to move forward that may have compromised the town. | ||
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On June 24 2013 11:03 Xzavier wrote: Spicy <3 hello again. On June 24 2013 11:20 Xzavier wrote: yup, im watching fullmetal alchemist then between episodes or every 5-10 min refreshing this. Okay i lie, i have 2 windows open and im spamming F5 on this page. Right now conversation is just picking up. Its smalltalk lol, then somebody is like: HEY FUCK YOU ##VOTE then shit gets real On June 24 2013 11:38 Xzavier wrote: hes the sexiest motherfucker alive. obviously. also town. On June 24 2013 11:31 Xzavier wrote: witch-hunting witch-hunting everywhere.... i feel the need to say everything that pops into my mind. obviously On June 24 2013 11:21 Xzavier wrote: jesus somebody went a long way to post alot of nothing xD None of this is useable for me. That could just be me sucking at reads (no, really. This is a possibility), but none of this material brings anything new to the table for me or encourages serious scum-hunting discussion. | ||
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On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote: Hey everyone On June 24 2013 11:09 Spicydinosaur wrote: Please point out and explain exactly what you think is scummy. On June 24 2013 11:17 Spicydinosaur wrote: Not taking it super seriously, just busting you back. I posted in the thread then went back to reddit. Checked the thread again after a few minutes. I'll be around tonight and early tomorrow morning. And hey Xzavier. He later comes in with some actual(if not elegant) points on the game, but they're both just him defending his play in previous games: On June 24 2013 11:53 Spicydinosaur wrote: Sheeping off of others opinions already? Also heres the QT chat i was referring too. Though i dont know how to post to a specific QT box Heres the QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/YXgCU77iVMsa and its posts: 11, 16, 21. Spicydinosaur http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18810769 Furthermore you should look back at my other 2 games if you want to see what my openings were. They too were different. Not my favorite play in the world, but at least it's content. | ||
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On June 24 2013 12:28 FirmTofu wrote: Yeah, he's spammy, sure. Yeah, he hasn't contributed much, sure. Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who haven't contributed and spam is ok at this point because there isn't a whole lot to talk about. I don't this is sufficient evidence to justify a lynch. Sorry, I'm not making a case for a lynch right this second. I'm responding to Chromatically who asked me to validate my point when I called Xzavier and Spicy's posts full of 'fluff and nonsense'. I should have quoted his question to be clear. Side note: Spam may be 'ok' right now in the eyes of the Meta, but I still don't have to like it. Call it a pet peeve. I will always prefer people bringing meaningful content forward rather than cluttering up the board. (Big leap, I know.) | ||
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On June 24 2013 12:34 Spicydinosaur wrote: EBWOP: posted after hurricane posted his "case" against me. I dont see how responding to two questions makes me scum now. He asked why so scummy which is a bs question so i responded as such. Then he asked why i didnt post right away... and i said why. We have differing definitions of spam. For me, multiple posts of one-liners are spam. The first question you responded to didn't necessitate the response it got. For reference: On June 24 2013 11:09 Spicydinosaur wrote: Please point out and explain exactly what you think is scummy. Kind of an over-reaction, no? You seem to be getting really defensive at everyone who mentions your name. | ||
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On June 24 2013 12:35 Xzavier wrote: Fuck me, i just typed somethign really nice all out and accidentally switched windows. Take two: First actual post of this game: This is my first game involving tracker/watcher/ect. Okay, from what iv learned so far is that town has some borderline useless roles (tracker watcher) The opprotunities where they would be beneficial are so rare that its hardly useful, and with the exisance of a NN it could all be BS. So there really is barely any information to gain, and if you do get any of this slightly more than useless info, its unreliable. But, the flipside. We have Parity cop who can effectively check two people every night. He shouldnt claim. Unless he is getting lynched (and we will still lynch you, mind this) You should say who you have found as scum, or confirmed town. You can take your strongest town read and then strongest scum read, and compare them. if the are two different alignments, its pretty obvious who is who. IF you REALLY want to play like a traditional cop. then select one of the two names as yourself, this way you can see if they are the same alignment as you (town) or not (scum) Seriously OP imo ^^ we also hav veteran/vigi who are strong roles as well. And as shown by last game, JK can be stupidly good as well. I like this setup for town, Framer does make things tricky, but the cop check is still reliable (odds of you two picking same target are rare, this is why you shouldnt claim if you think you have found 1 scum alone anyway, IF he was fraimed: our cop is dead and we lose a townie). Framer is actually a rather strong role in and of itself. I still like this setup. basically all the tracker/watcher/NN stuff looks borderline useless to me, as iv already stated. Obviously nobody should claim. But they arnt the strongest of roles. When I first read the role descriptions, I thought the town roles were actually very powerful. Granted there's a bit of noise with the NN, but if the watcher correctly guesses who the mafia is killing, that's a guaranteed red name in his or her pocket. Tracker, I'm inclined to agree with you on, but I'm sure a good player will be able to get significant mileage out of that role, especially as it gets down to 2 mafia and the Tracker has a 50/50 shot at picking the person delivering the KP if they have good reads on who is scum. Just making sure you understand the significant power of these roles in case this was a cry for help from a player who isn't sure how to wield their hammer. | ||
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Xzavier, I assume you're not going to be defending your early content so vehemently? | ||
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On June 24 2013 12:52 Onegu wrote: Haveing a early day one post about reveals is very bad, no matter how good or bad someones role is. You have to remember scum have a tracker also so if they track the NN to someone they get a stronger read he is blue than just NN, if it is revealed then scum tracker doesnt have to worry about that possibility and just blue hunt. Second it isnt a big deal to confirm someone as town, it is a big deal to confirm someone as scum. You idea has alot of holes and the logic behind it is terribad. As such you are noob town to me. Wait, hold on. Is it confirmed that there is a scum-side Tracker? I would not have proposed such a plan if this game was guaranteed to have Mafia spawn with a Tracker. I know that it was POSSIBLE for them to have a tracker. But I was unaware that it was so likely as to be a certainty. Also, in this game it IS a big deal to confirm someone as town since we may have a Parity Cop. Regardless, my idea is a non-starter and doesn't need to be discussed as an actual plan of action further. (It can obviously still be discussed by people wanting to make cases for and against me.) Perhaps I'm some brilliant mastermind who just wanted to draw out the players who could see the flaw in this plan. (Spoiler: I'm not.) I'm still not 100% convinced that the idea is without merit, but this is likely user error on my part. | ||
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On June 24 2013 13:06 Onegu wrote: It is possible they dont have one but in the last few games they have given scum 2 blue abilitys and since there are only a few possible roles this time it is 50/50 they have one This sort of meta-reliant logic is incredibly dangerous, but thank you for responding. I have not followed the tendencies of these games, so I appreciate you sharing this information with me. | ||
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On June 24 2013 13:28 Aquanim wrote: You wound me. Regarding claims I'm of the opinion that the Nosy Neighbour/Alpha 5 should claim now. This role is similar to a Miller in that it isn't useful for town at all, and could seriously backfire if they are watched/tracked/whatever by a townie. I don't see any downside to a Nosy Neighbour claiming, the worst case is that they play obvtown, get shot, and draw a shot away from actual town power roles. The biggest reason a Nosy Neighbour should claim now is that it eliminates the possibility of a scum fake-claiming it later if he is caught shooting/using a PR on someone. If we establish that a Nosy Neighbour should claim now, anyone claiming it later is caught scum. Obviously, scum can claim Nosy Neighbour so whoever claims it isn't confirmed town by any means. No other power roles should claim, that would be daft. (However, scum should feel free to claim their roles.) Regarding scum Current scumread is Chromatically for two reasons. 1) I don't like the feel of his initial posts. Making troll-cases to get the game rolling is fine, I have no objection to that in as of itself, but there's a certain nit-picking quality to his posts that feels wrong to me. Trying to read something into someone not posting for five minutes is ludicrous. 2) He's been doing a lot of asking other people for their reads while offering nothing even approaching one of his own. ##Vote: Chromatically The argument against NN/ Alpha 5 claiming as it was explained to me in this thread is that it won't take a shot away from the power roles, but in fact do the opposite. Mafia might keep him around all game and take shots at the OTHER people since there is now a higher % chance that they are Power Roles. But what if our Parity Cop claimed NN! Brb WIFOM Hell. (That was joke.) There are apparently a lot of other reasons NN should not claim now, but I'm not in the best position to elaborate since they are not my thoughts. | ||
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On June 24 2013 13:37 Aquanim wrote: That's certainly a possibility, but I think it's more important that we deny scum the opportunity to fakeclaim Nosy Neighbour later. Unfortunately, you're assuming that there is only one Nosy Neighbor. There is a lot of assuming going on about power roles in this thread that I'm not comfortable with. Is this just because I haven't followed TL's brand of mafia long enough to pick up on meta role assignments? | ||
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