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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 17:56:32
May 10 2013 17:56 GMT
#86
/replacement

or /in if theres still room
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 11 2013 23:59 GMT
#105
nice. hoping this turns out better than the recent string of disaster games.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 12 2013 05:38 GMT
#116
/confirm
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 01:40 GMT
#285
Suppose ill come in and say that I am following the thread even though I am not posting yet, waiting for the night killings to analyze
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 01:51 GMT
#288
On May 13 2013 10:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 10:43 chaoser wrote:
On May 13 2013 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 13 2013 09:50 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 13 2013 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Anyone who doesn't post a gif is scum imo.

[image loading]


oh WoS stop being so helpful you are drowning me in helpfulness

omg stop

plz

I can try, but no promises. Tell, me was Fat Tony playing the worlds smallest scum violin for you?

Chaoser did you used to play with RebirthofLegend? What are your views regarding how mafia 'should' be played by a town?


I don't understand the question and how it pertains to the game currently but I'll try to answer anyway.
Townies should play unafraid and by putting pressure on people and open, I don't really care for the "trolling, get a reaction, way" but I'm sure I've done it a few times in the past before. I feel like I've always played the best when I was playing to figure stuff out and not be afraid of a lynch.

yes I use to play with RoL, how's he doing these days? is he still playing?

I was just curious. I saw it was mentioned that you haven't played in a little while or you used to ages ago and you seem to share the same anti-spam sentiment that RoL has who also played a long time ago. I've only played one game with him and he seemed to be a pretty angry guy. Mostly towards BH. For spamming.


Most people see spam as anti-town so if you flip town after spamming a lot I could see how it could irritate people.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 03:12 GMT
#300
On May 13 2013 11:55 kitaman27 wrote:
I present you with my completely unjustified thoughts of suspicion!

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On May 13 2013 10:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
Suppose ill come in and say that I am following the thread even though I am not posting yet, waiting for the night killings to analyze


Vayne finds it necessary to post that he is around, but not posting. As mafia I find that I'm always more concerned with how others view my absence, promising future contribution or coming up with excuses why I'm not around.

WoS earns scum points for posting a mafia gif. He earns likability points for posting a simpsons gif. The conversation between WoS and chaoser doesn't seem natural. I'm not sure what's going on there.

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On November 01 2012 12:16 DarthPunk wrote:
If you are a miller you should claim. But I will be wary of such a claim as there have been times in the past in which an uncontested miller claim day one has sealed the win for scum. So we should exercise our judgement on such claims rather than put blind faith on their townieness.


DarthPunk's miller claim is consistent with his miller policy in past games. He does acknowledges how beneficial a mafia miller claim can be and I don't buy his argument that it's something he would never pull as mafia. It's a great plan if you're comfortable with the attention. I would feel much better about the claim if he simply stated that he claimed to not waste a town cop check, rather than explain how a mafia version of himself would play.

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On May 13 2013 05:00 DarthPunk wrote:
Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason.


The wording on this seems off to me, describing an impossible scenario if he is town as unlikely, but maybe that's just semantics. I'd consider him for a lynch tomorrow.

@prplhz, why ask me in specific about my opinion of the miller claim? I already stated an anti-miller view. Did you want to push me in that direction or do you disagree that DarthPunk should be considered tomorrow as a candidate?

Also, 24 hours with functional power and sewage. Even with the plot to take over the ship and murder us all, this has already far exceeded my expectations.


shrug, I just played in a game you hosted and thats how I play. I dont care about the frivolous things, only the facts.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 05:04 GMT
#336
third party or inept vig that is the question.

Anyhow kita's filter just brings up a few suspicions towards me, darth, WoS, and prplhz.

I am also suspicious of prplhz and anyone else in this thread that went out of their way to communicate with kita.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 05:11 GMT
#339
On May 13 2013 14:06 Blazinghand wrote:
21 players with 5 mafia is 2kp normally. Unless someone got protected (possible) the simplest explanation is mafia is responsible for both NKs. That being said I wouldn't be surprised, looking at the signup list, if a vig herped so hard that he derped and shot DP.


word, I confused this with another game. kp is hidden here, thought it was 1. Really strange that mafia would just kill him off this early when a lot of people wanted to lynch him in the day. I almost find your possible solution more plausible...

also to oats, because from experience people that are friends with adequate players and on different alignments go out of their way to kill those that they know for sure are good players.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 05:20 GMT
#343
Im not gonna go through everyones filter so far since this thread is already huge, but as I said any interaction where some one goes out of their way to talk to kita. for example, prplhz saying hi to him when not addressed at all.

It makes them scummy, in my opinion, because kita died tonight. Got dat kita on your mind, whos gonna pop in your head when your thinking who to night kill?



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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 05:24 GMT
#345
On May 13 2013 14:14 Blazinghand wrote:
The problem that like you and 90% of the TL Mafia community have is that you look for complex scenarios, for WTHTD, when really most of the time you should just assume things went relatively simply. This is a fairly large game with 5 scum. Games this size, scum tends to have 2 kp. Two people flipped.

Barring a vigi claim, or like a vet claim or something weird like that, the simplest thing to think, the thing that requires the fewest butt-retarded assumptions that literally everyone but me likes to make, is that scum used 2 kp and killed 2 people, who are the guys who just flipped. I'll update this view if new information emerges, but as it is I consider the matter closed. I'm right and you guys are wrong.


the problem for me is the motive behind killing darth. zero way of confirming him as town and he was scheduled to be a high lynch priority this next day. Maybe mafia thought he was hiding a PR role behind his bogus claim? probably my top guess right now as that is something I would do.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 15:45 GMT
#449
On May 13 2013 17:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
He posted that shit about not wanting to post during the night and wait for the flips. Yeah... Scum wants to waste time, town doesnt.
Also he said that there were certain people suspciously interacting with kita, but never bothered to elaborate.

He seems to jump all over the place, no pressure on anyone so far and just useless/scummy.


I always play like that, regardless of town or scum. I do not care about "scumtells" here or playstyles since frankly I don't know many of you yet just starting here. All I can go off of is night killings and lynchings and how they pertain to how people acted.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 15:48 GMT
#451
On May 14 2013 00:46 Promethelax wrote:
Great Vayne. So how did they act? There were two night kills what did you learn? Because I have to read you too and you have given me a lot of nothing to work on.

Who did you look into who had weird interactions with kita? Why is that person scum?


The post you 'lololol'ed at contains most of your answers :/ as I said my situation was different in the interaction in that I was responding to him directly, whereas prphlz went out of his way to address kita
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 16:28 GMT
#468
On May 14 2013 01:16 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 00:48 VayneAuthority wrote:
On May 14 2013 00:46 Promethelax wrote:
Great Vayne. So how did they act? There were two night kills what did you learn? Because I have to read you too and you have given me a lot of nothing to work on.

Who did you look into who had weird interactions with kita? Why is that person scum?


The post you 'lololol'ed at contains most of your answers :/ as I said my situation was different in the interaction in that I was responding to him directly, whereas prphlz went out of his way to address kita


you calling an eighteen page thread huge is hilarious. You'll see.

So prp is scum because of the Kita kill, what about people's interactions with DP? Why did his kill not factor into your analysis?

WoS: if everyone who has started the wagons on you has been scum are you suggesting kita is scum? (obviously not but I have no idea what you are trying to suggest. Who is scum for pushing you?)

prp and SnB, welcome back. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the leading vote owners and another player of your choice. You both know the drill. Reads and reasons.


recall that I played in this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925 so I dont see how its hilarious, I know about big games. You will just never see me as a guy going back looking through the thread, I read it as the thread develops and make my opinions from that and take care not to second guess myself.

As I said I am baffled by the DP kill, I have nothing to comment on that besides my theory that mafia thought he was hiding a PR role behind his claim, but no leads on to who that could make mafia
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 16:39 GMT
#474
On May 14 2013 01:33 Promethelax wrote:
Wait, what account did you play that game under? I just went through the player list twice and didn't see you. Am I blind or did you switch accounts?


right forgot about that. Im Blindalbino on there but I wouldnt look too much into my playstyle there...it was a clue game and my clues were pretty much the most obvious things ever so we had a little game on IRC where I would post ridiculous shit and see how long it took people to notice
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 18:56 GMT
#512
b]##vote prplhz[[/b]

going out for a while so putting in my vote before I forget
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 18:56 GMT
#513
##vote:prplhz
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 18:59 GMT
#515
On May 14 2013 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vayne why are you so sure mafia killed DP?


I am not, if you filter me you'll see that I originally thought it was a 3rd party or vig shot, but some one showed me that mafia killing power is hidden and could be two.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 21:37 GMT
#575
On May 14 2013 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes and after that you seemed to be sure it was mafia hit. Why did you change your point of view suddenly when BH brought up mafia KP?


Probability. Much more likely it was just 2 mafia kills instead of vig/3rd party/etc being the killer.

On May 14 2013 06:03 Blazinghand wrote:
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On May 14 2013 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BH let me get this straight;
You want to lynch WoS for him straight up agreeing with you that scum killed DP, but not Vayne even when he did take a full 180 on flip analysis when you told him scum might have more than 1 KP?


Almost!

I want to lynch WoS for HOW he agreed with me that scum killed DP, and I want to not lynch vayne because HOW he did his 180 on flip analysis.

Perhaps I didn't make this clear enough in my case: Whether someone buddies me, or whether someone disagrees with me, or whether someone derps or is wrong or is right, these are not how you catch scum. Scum can fake agreeing or disagreeing or being good or being bad as much as they want. A scum player could just bus all his buddies and pretend to be a master scumhunter, if all you look at is who he pushes and who he defends. I'm not saying this isn't useful information (since scum obviously don't want to bus) but this is only part of the picture.

When you hunt scum, you need to pay attention to HOW people do things, and what they are thinking (or not thinking) when they do. WoS's post, imo, could not have come from a town mindset. I don't think he'd have written what he did the way he did if he really was town and was wondering why we were in agreement. Vayne, on the other hand, really just seems to be that wrongheaded, and although I don't think of him as captain mctown, i can see how from a town PoV Vayne has written what he has.

This is how you hunt scum.


very true, im a shitty town player. Never had the game as town where I dont get accused of being scum at least 20 times, just check out the latest newbie mafia game I just played in LOL.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 22:25 GMT
#600
On May 14 2013 07:22 HiroPro wrote:
shirokami seems like a good lynch also.


I was getting the same vibe, he acted super troll in the newbie game I just played with him and now hes acting all calm and and attempting to be agreeable and useful but not really posting anything
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 22:29 GMT
#603
On May 14 2013 07:26 shirokami wrote:
says a guy who wanted to waste vigshot to a miller.


explain why your playstyle is so different this game then if you have nothing to hide. As town you had no qualms being lynched but now you suddenly care?
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