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i'll /in if allowed? | ||
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im going to "attempt" to consolidate my posts. Dont take the lower activity as a scum read ffs. | ||
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Stripes was definitely your best movie I loved that mud wrestling after all. k.. Spam is out of my system, good to go! | ||
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On April 03 2013 13:35 Oatsmaster wrote: /in Not you!! Im trying to reduce the spam OK! | ||
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On April 03 2013 18:33 Oatsmaster wrote: I honestly dont spam. None of my filters go over 15 pages IIRC. Sigh this is Tue shit I'm talking about lol U never get what I mean and we end up starting shit feasts. I give up lol | ||
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Lol.. thats tablet auto correct for ya  or is it? o.0 | ||
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cos i picked [o][0] | ||
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On April 04 2013 11:08 sinani206 wrote: hi scum he cant be scum hes not in my qt? Whoops, i just scum slipped lynch me now pls | ||
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that fucker finished #1 in the draft, twice | ||
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On April 04 2013 11:32 gonzaw wrote: I'll post minimally, but will give advice for mafia life when I do, and instantly catch all scum Yeah don't do that thing I said in pre-game unless Palmar or something bullies all of you into doing it at once (it's obviously not going to work). Just pre-game lighthearted fun. Nice 180 Gonzaw. Guess your plan relies on unveiling the qt link o.0? Anything else you want to share? | ||
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On April 04 2013 11:41 gonzaw wrote: Wisdom: When I reach my 3k post milestone, I'll make a huge case against all scum in the game (and be right obviously), exactly on my 3K post! (hopefully I remember it and don't forget about the milestone like the 2 previous times lol) Thats a cool idea actually, I will have to log that away K, spam mode over /confirm | ||
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On April 04 2013 12:49 geript wrote: @Shelvocke So your plan is to just keep everything hidden in order to prevent Mafia from getting any extra knowledge? No, I do not believe that is the intent at all. Context: (1) We have no idea of the draft order (yet) (2) Even when we know the draft order, we have no idea who is town who is not. I think someone raised giving roles out based on draft order. If you want to risk that go ahead, but its also could be a way to fall into the "pick a claimed role -> you are now VT" trap. This whole draft system inherently is filled with WIFOM (including for scum); and as proven in past games, some of us *WILL* remain as vanilla. My 2c: I am going to submit my 2 numbers. Once I know my draft number, I will *only* then start thinking about what role(s) I want to put my hand up for. I personally think its better to have *a* role, than no role. As an aside Im not sure how big a deal the janitor flip is. The difference between here and personality 2 is that we know the role exists, and is of finite duration (48 hrs). Yes, there is potential to follow false leads from a "false" flip, however, one thing I noted about Personality2 was that many of the believers of Corazon innocence, were very shocked post-janitor flip. I think a townie should be able to prove innocence via more means than just a green flip. | ||
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On April 04 2013 13:05 yamato77 wrote: I kind of like the idea of town "assigning" certain roles to people. I think most of town should be able to agree on 1-2 decent townreads to deny mafia roles with. It's also very hard for mafia to BE a top townread of an entire thread, so there's that.. What malarkey are you spewing forth Yamato? The draft is in 24hrs. You are going to have 1 or 2 decent town reads, when the current game is all "foreplay" for roles? I didnt mind your first post; it had some sentiments similar to my post. But this post just now; I can not endorse. Everygame, people say: mafia high activity will expose them at the end. Well I say: that could be too late, especially for a "town read" with 3 nukes because we thought they were town during the pre-draft. If you can muster a large enough group to support this concept; best of luck to you. Know that I will not be participating. Full stop. | ||
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On April 04 2013 13:08 yamato77 wrote: I like this plan the more I think about it, actually. Ir simply relies on townies playing very town, which is easy enough in today's TL. I just came out of "The Game" so you will have to excuse me if we differ with opinion on this matter. For me personally regardless of player list Early Game: I put the trust in myself to either blend in as scum; or stand out as a contributor as town. Regardless, I am not relying on "town" to act "town". As I said before, if you want to follow this path. Fine. But right now, I have no means to knowing what you or sharrant or any other plan pushers alignment is. And hence, as I said before, I choose not to participate. Why? The stuff you are speaking of, is essentially common sense pro-town stuff that could be endorsed by town or scum. I am not going to comment further on this. Best of luck with what ever path you intend to choose pre-draft. | ||
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On April 04 2013 13:13 yamato77 wrote: Yes, I can be reasonably certain that I will have 1-2 town reads that I am confident in within 24 hours. I am also certain that there will be enough people that agree with me that we can deny mafia the role by using them. If you aren't I'm sorry for you. It's not even about activity necessarily, as scum can be ACTIVE, but easy to catch. the function of general activity of scum is to BLEND IN, because under the scrutiny this would require, most mafia would simply not hold up. ALL OF TOWN would be looking at you and deciding on your alignment, which is a good thing. Mafia would be hard-pressed to garner enough real support, and if they did, I would be SHOCKED. There are plenty of people in this player list that can garner support as scum; either by blending skill *OR* reputation. I simply do not agree. | ||
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On April 04 2013 13:14 Sharrant wrote: How are you sure of the duration of the janitor? I believe you have misinterpreted it. I believe when the janitor uses his powers the day post will contain the names of the deceased and no information. And that information will not be displayed later. The only one who will know the flips of that day are mafia members. With this much KP we could be looking at upwards of 4 bodies if we don't get good protective roles. That's far too much information to let scum control. Am I correct in how the Janitor role functions? Do you think that's a role we can risk letting scum have? "Janitor" Busy always cleaning up after other people's mess. You love your job so much though that you'll even clean up dead bodies. During the Night you may PM me that you want to clean up all the dead bodies in Town. No player's role or alignment will be revealed upon death for that upcoming Day. Since you are cleaning up the bodies however, you will learn the role and alignment of all the bodies you clean up. You can only use this ability once. My interpretation is that after 48 hrs (Day cycle) the real flips are revealed. | ||
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On April 04 2013 13:19 Keirathi wrote: Shooting off to lunch.You're interpretation is wrong (at least with how Janitors normally work). The red part that you quoted means that none of the following Day's flips (aka the night kills) will be revealed AT ALL. Never. But if that is the case than yes. I think its a good idea to remove from the scum power list. | ||
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On April 04 2013 13:17 Keirathi wrote: Serious question for you, yamato: What if the 1-2 people you have "solid town reads" on by tomorrow when the picking phase starts are #22 and #23 in the draft order? On April 04 2013 13:26 yamato77 wrote: Same question, I presume. We pick tomorrow, which gives us 24 hours to FORMULATE the town reads. We then look at the draft order, and see if we have good town reads on the first 4-5 people in the draft order. Outside of that, we can't control it very much, but if we CAN deny mafia roles through this method, WE SHOULD. if we can't, oh well, but we've at least attempted to gain an advantage. The plan doesn't hurt town if it doesn't work for some reason, it can only help if it does. This plan is relying too much on "gut feel" luck from 24hrs notoriously referenced as "subject to change" and not enough on cold hard fact. Yes, roles such as the janitor have the potential to cause havok to town; Yes, it would be fantastic if an early-draft town was willing to sacrifice themselves as a "VT" by choosing janitor But, to expect - or plan - a "subject to change" town read to do that.. i dunno. Its all risk/reward. A great town player may provide more value with an alternative role playing to their strengths, than sacrificing to be VT to remove a mafia role (which could be used poorly). I stand by my original sentiment: On April 04 2013 13:03 Mocsta wrote: + Show Spoiler + Context: (1) We have no idea of the draft order (yet) (2) Even when we know the draft order, we have no idea who is town who is not. I think someone raised giving roles out based on draft order. If you want to risk that go ahead, but its also could be a way to fall into the "pick a claimed role -> you are now VT" trap. This whole draft system inherently is filled with WIFOM (including for scum); and as proven in past games, some of us *WILL* remain as vanilla. My 2c: I am going to submit my 2 numbers. Once I know my draft number, I will *only* then start thinking about what role(s) I want to put my hand up for. I personally think its better to have *a* role, than no role. | ||
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I somewhat understand the position of Mocsta, which is that he sees the flaw in the plan being that town may fuck up and accidentally give the role to a mafia. This is only so bad as town lets it be, as the alternative to attempting to deny the role is giving it to mafia anyway, which is what you'd be doing if mafia somehow was the consensus town read from this period. Mafia should be trying to "look town" anyway, to some extent, so it's not like the implementation of this plan changes or alters anything that scum would do, or hurts town in any way. Worst case scenario is just as bad as doing nothing, and the best case scenario is quite pro-town. It's a win for even trying.[QUOTE] Yes. You raise a valid point here in retrospect. At the least (and of more value to me) this plans casts doubt in the eligibility of scum to pick key roles as they will remain vanilla due to duplication. The knowledge the op gives is. Scum kp is fixed to 1. If I was scum, priority would be for kp roles. Hence, remaining vanilla is of much worse consequence to scum than town. + Show Spoiler + pre game I was thinking assassin as scum, as you can get free town kills and then if under pressure target a scummy town as red and hopefully get confirmed as town Vote rigging is nice, but doesn't have the same certainty as a scum under heat that can activate admiral ackbar. Overall I think there is too much WiFOM involved in having a solid town read be in the top of the draft to force participation from players. However, I still think this discussion is definitely of merit to continue. I repeat. The consequence of scum staying vanilla due to duplication of role is significantly worse than town. | ||
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