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I don't want to vote for Arctic Daishi, it would be a total waste at this point if he hasn't posted at all. Rainbows is a bit... aggressive for my tastes. MeatlessTaco's bandwagoning onto CoS worries me a bit, but he seems fine other than that. I'm actually most suspicious of TheRavensName - he wanted to excuse liars, he piled onto making a "joke vote", and as others have said he posted right before the game started and then was silent. Again, I will definitely post more than once per day after this, I've just had other issues. | ||
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bduddy
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On March 08 2013 14:41 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't know exactly what kind of "hard evidence" you're looking for, other than "I'm the cop and..." All I have are the same posts as everyone else, and I've tried to read through them quickly so I can post before stuff starts happening so I probably haven't even read them as fully as everyone else. I did say that I'm feeling a bit suspicious towards TRN and Rainbows, is that what you mean by "scumreads"?Alright bduddy, welcome to the thread.  I'm going to hope that next time you give us more than a list of your 'worries and suspicions,' and give us some hard evidence and scumreads. Think you could make that happen? I'm just not seeing nobodywonder as scum (and I'm not just saying that because he unvoted me!), he seems like a genuine new townie to me. I am now somewhat suspicious towards Matriarch; very few posts (I see the post about a child, I understand that that would be far more important than posting here but it would also be a great excuse) and came straight back to jump on the nobodywonder bandwagon for reasons that don't really make sense to me. For now, though, I'm going to ##Vote: TheRavensName who still seems most suspicious to me. | ||
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On March 08 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Umm... no, I certainly did not claim cop, I was speaking hypothetically. I may not be good at this, but I'm not a complete idiot.You didn't just claim cop D1 did you?  Alright bduddy I'll spell out a couple things for you. 1) Claiming a blue role this early in the game essentially paints a big ol' bullseye on your back for mafia to target. If they manage to shoot you N1 you won't have performed any checks and are useless to us. 2) When I'm asking for your scumreads, I'm asking you to tell us who you think are scum and WHY. "I have a good feeling about NW," or "I feel suspicious" means dick all if you don't have anything to back it up. In conclusion, do a little a thinking before you post about the repercussions of your actions and what it means to other people when you say certain things, and you'll go a long way. Don't just spew your thoughts into the thread for no apparent reason. It doesn't help us find scum. I understand that I should post reasons, and I'll try to do that better in the future. There's just not that much to go on... I explained in my post before the quoted one why I think TRN is likely to be scum. | ||
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On March 08 2013 15:43 MeatlessTaco wrote: Me excusing myself is because I legitimately had much more important stuff to do last night and today and didn't want to look like a guy that lurked for 1.5 days and then popped out at the end with random excuses. As for Raven, first off, I agree with what you said earlier about his suspicious posting patterns at the beginning of the game. I think it's suspicious how much he followed along with making a "joke vote" and then unvoting when everyone else was doing so - it seems scummy to me to try to follow others so much. I also think that his post about not lynching liars is suspicious - newbies make mistakes, sure, but I don't see how new townies would lie about anything. Finally, my suspicions are only reinforced by his last post - Dear god is lurking into blue claim scummy as hell. doesn't seem to match his previous posting style, and makes me think he might be playing dumb.I know you didn't claim cop. Other people over reacted. But, you do plenty of hedging and hawing and excusing yourself... which is poor play, but understandable. But, don't play dumb. Do you not understand what "scumread" means by context? If you have enough time to play, tell us why you want want Raven lynched and not the other two people you spent more time analyzing. | ||
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On March 08 2013 16:08 TheRavensName wrote: You mean the "blue" thing? I get that, having looked at some other Mafia games. But it doesn't match your previous posting style in this game... and the many spelling mistakes you've been making don't match your posting style in general. Again, I think you've been playing dumb.Its one of the few things that seems to carry over between versions of this game bduddy. | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:57 WaveofShadow wrote: We've learned that there is one fewer scum in the game and that we're way closer to winning. How is that not a great thing?Alright in a bid to get you to change your vote (not that I don't think Taco looks bad): What would we learn from Taco's lynch. Assume he is scum and he has just flipped. What have we now learned? Arctic is seriously lurking hardcore though (yes, I understand the irony. I just got done with a job interview that got pushed back from earlier today), and his few posts look like lame attempts to jump on a bandwagon or to look active. I'm also very suspicious of how Arctic and OE seem to be mutually defending each other. For example: AD wrote: You seemed rather hostile against Omni, who was very active in investigating people. Perhaps to stop his investigation?. AD wrote:The Omni's case against Frorgon is simply too great to ignore. OE wrote: @MLuneth Could you expand on why you chose Arctic to vote on when there were others (bduddy, ChewOnStu) without any content as well. Other than it just being a coin flip. @Krafla+ Show Spoiler + karla @Rainbows You mention Luneth being scummy, what do you think about his vote on Arctic? As Arctic has yet to show up, do you think it is more town oriented (trying to get a lurker to post) or scummy (attacking the easiest player early on in hopes that Arctic doesn't defend himself). @Arctic Can give us your thoughts on what has happened so far and answer most of the questions I have asked to the others. [LOL that's the best you can do?] [others omitted] OE wrote: I agree with you there, I don't think the vote makes much sense either and I'm trying to decide on if he just attacked an easy player or not, and if Arctic never does contest it it would be very easy for scum to latch onto him early and ride D1 out safely that way. I just re-read the first few pages and he does explain why he didn't vote for NW but considering he does that and then puts a serious vote on Arctic... I can see misguided townie and scum motivation behind it. OE wrote:EBWOP: What if* arctic is just another bad townie I agree with TRN's recent posts and understand that what I was going off of may have been wrong. For now, even if I'm suspicious of OE, Arctic will be totally useless to us even if he is town, OE at least posts. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote: I don't think this is much of an issue. Trying to pressure people not to vote for a fellow-scum because "he might get replaced" is a tactic too ridiculous for me to believe anyone would use it, considering the fellow-scum would have to post at some point. I think MT is fine overall - getting people to explain their positions helps to find out whether people are attacking/defending others for good reason or not. I'm still way more focused on AD and those defending/attacking him.Just going to toss it out there. That seemed a little early to be expecting a replacement on arctic when there was only a single vote for arctic. He acted like we were going to accidently lynch him. But that'll be the end of this for now. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:38 OmniEulogy wrote: But when someone comes up mafia, you learn a lot about those defending him and not defending him - especially when's he's essentially a lurker without anything concrete to go on.fair enough as I wasn't really considering what would happen if Taco flipped town. Arctic is pretty much a blank sheet regardless of his flip, that's how I was comparing them. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:51 MLuneth wrote: OmniEulogy, I assume. That's who I was referring to, at least. + Show Spoiler + bduddy pointed you out soft defending Daishi. You keep saying we'd learn nothing if he flipped? Well we might learn something about you. We'd certainly also learn something about his voting patterns and we might be able to figure out if the people he was bandwagoning were scum or not. Who was this directed at? I don't get why NW has to prove he's not scum to be unvoted - that would be great, obviously, but as has been said, there are other people that look a lot worse right now. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:59 TheRavensName wrote: At this point I wouldn't say that scum would necessarily work together to try to lynch a specific person. What they would definitely try to do is try to deflect voting of other scum, because at this point that's a lot more necessarily for them and, if done properly, less suspicious. I stand by what I said earlier that OE especially has been trying to do that with Arctic, and I don't see anything nobodywonder has done that makes him more suspicious.I believe it was said this was Omni. Now the issue with this line of thinking is, Omni has not accused anyone Arctic has jumped on until the one against Frorgon, and quite a few people had similar reactions until it was read over about a dozen times. What happens if the vote is a tie? | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote: If you really want Taco to be lynched, you're not trying very hard. If you think someone else with actual support is also worthy of being lynched, why don't you switch your vote now?NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:30 MeatlessTaco wrote: That's not a good excuse. Tell us what you know.No one will care about my reads right now. I'll post all my thoughts beginning of day 2 so there is plenty of time to discuss lynching me. The only 2 actives I could vote for aren't under suspicion, so it is between Chew and Arctic. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Because more information is better than less information? I'm not getting how waiting helps anything. We already have 32 pages, "muddling the vote" is not a concern of mine. If he has some analysis to make, he should make it now instead of going "I know but I'm not telling you, nah nah". It's not like there are any roles in this game where it's a good thing if the Haha conflicting opinions. Ok bduddy, explain why it's a good idea for Taco to explain to us his reads right now while we're all trying to consolidate our votes. Also explain why it would be a good idea for him to give us his reads before D2. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:52 MeatlessTaco wrote: Do you really not see how those two lines are not a massive contradiction? Unless you're scum, you don't have any secret information that everyone else in the game doesn't already have. Whatever reads and analysis you have are valuable to us, either as arguments in their own right or as information about you. If you refuse to give the town that, that's not exactly pro-town behavior.I don't know anything more than anyone else that has read the thread. And I don't know where I implied that. Game-theory like: you don't give your opponent information while it is their turn to act. I thought that would be an obvious logical conclusion. Having said that, I'll repeat why I'm still voting for Arctic: he seems as scummy as anyone else to me right now, and even if he is town he's looking completely useless to us, so I see no reason to keep him around. | ||
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AD, you say this is your first time, but honestly, have you been reading this thread at all? Do you know how Mafia works? Because you're not showing either very well right now. | ||
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