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Excited to play a non-newbie game on TL.
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I'm excited to get to play more than just one day with you OO~
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Sweet. I'm pumped to finally get this one started.
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Well that sucks. 
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Sweet. You're the best Hassy.
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I definitely like Toad's idea of killing the Pardoner if we can pull it off. It's gonna be very difficult logistically though.
I'm definitely a slow reader so hopefully I can get some more of my thoughts in once this thread stops outpacing me, lol.
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Yeah, I'm not liking Promethelax's reasoning here either. WoS talking about night kills in response to a post that specifically discusses the likelihood of certain players getting night killed is not really indicative of anything at all. If we want to start pointing fingers at people for talking about night actions (which I think in this case would be the wrong move), we need to start by blaming geript for bringing it up.
I don't know who I'm voting for for mayor yet, but right now Prom is near the bottom of the list for me.
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On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN
You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them.
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Also, with regard to making WoS pardoner. If we have enough agreement in the vote to decide who is pardoner and place them 2nd, then we should just make it the person we want to kill. If we can't do that, we can't put a specific person there for a different reason, so there's nothing to discuss.
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I really don't understand how so people are getting to the conclusion that because we don't have enough control over the vote to try and make the person we lynch pardoner we should make a good player pardoner. Am I missing something?
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On February 26 2013 11:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. Alright, I sort of see your point, but the question is can I pardon myself D1? If not then the plan theoretically stands and you have nothing to worry about (unless you think I'm scummy at a later date). If so then....yeah I suppose I'd have to go with hoping that you guys trust me. Of course the other option is to make me Mayor if you have that much trust in me but to be perfectly honest, I would NOT do the role justice despite how 'super townie' Prom says I am. Need a few more games under my belt for that. Ultimately it's all up to you guys. If my idea is dumb then it's dumb and we can move on.
Actually that's a really good question. At some point I thought I read that the pardoner couldn't pardon on D1, but the OP doesn't say that anymore. Doesn't hurt to ask I suppose.
Can the Pardoner pardon the Mayor's lynch on D1?
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On February 26 2013 12:02 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. I am going to sheep this. I think the role has to go to someone we trust. Hence we are back to voting the two pro-towniest pricks in the game. As far as I am concerned, a pardoner saving themselves from lynch is not alignment indicative. ======= @WoS: Whilst I applaud your confidence to stand before the experienced players present and declare you're love of town; it does little to earn my trust. You say you want to put Prome on the backburner and continue scum hunting: what make you of "Wade Fell"
You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"?
As for pardoner saving themselves not being alignment indicative, that only adds to my point. We can't just give it to anyone because we are stuck with them no matter their role. Its important that its either the D1 lynch or a town.
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On February 26 2013 12:14 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:09 TestSubject893 wrote:
You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"? That the role needs to go to someone we trust and someone responsible. Not just a newbie that is at risk of being ignored. I thought it was transparent.
I still don't understand, sorry. My question really is what does sheep mean in this context? I know that's a noob question, sorry; this is only my 3rd game on TL.
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On February 26 2013 12:20 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:18 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 12:14 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 12:09 TestSubject893 wrote:
You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"? That the role needs to go to someone we trust and someone responsible. Not just a newbie that is at risk of being ignored. I thought it was transparent. I still don't understand, sorry. My question really is what does sheep mean in this context? I know that's a noob question, sorry; this is only my 3rd game on TL. A question appears. Does this lab rat have experience in worlds outside of the team liquid? If so why would the experiment feel the need to declare his inability to perform.
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I've played mafia in real life if that's what you're asking. I told him it was a noob question because I had to ask it twice to get it across, and well, I have less experience than most players in this game. I'm not really sure what you're looking for in a response, so please feel free to more directly clarify any questions you might still have.
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I've been working all day and just now got caught up on the thread. Here's what I've got.
Promethelax is still my top scum read and I will be voting for a mayor that wants to kill him. Jungle Jorge and ObviousOne, in that order, are next on my scum list.
I think we're placing a little too much trust in DoctorHelvetica. It seems like some people are treating him as nearly confirmed town, and frankly he's not even close to that in my book. Moreover, I'm afraid that should DrH get either of the elected roles, his perception as confirmed town will only be furthered, without him doing anything more pro-town.
Most of his cred has come from telling people they aren't scumhunting enough and how great scumhunting is, and while these things are pro-town, its not something that's hard to fake. On top of that, the only contribution he's made on the scumhunting front is to really amplify the pressure on Prome. While again, this is great, the fact that he seems to be distancing himself from it slightly in this post + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote:
I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo.
Jcarlsoniv do you believe prom and vivax are town? If yes, what makes you believe so? Weird that you chose to respond to that specifically. Maybe not, maybe I'm being paranoid. And yes, I'm still pushing Prome for the day. He basically martyred so he should die. I'm working from 1-10 PST tonight so unfortunately I'm not gonna be able to be here to push him. Since all discussion is built on this foundation of lynching Prome, it's the best outcome for us right now. At least for Day 1. I would never say to lynch for information, I absolutely believe he is scum but there is no sense in acting on hunches and getting distracted. Don't fuck it up guys keep focused on the goal of finding scum. Everything else comes second.
I think it's likely that DrH is town, but lets make him prove that to us before we show him so much trust. Hopefully, we've gotten it right with Prome, in which case DrH will be deserving of the town cred he seems to currently have.
With the this in mind, I'm going to vote for someone who is going lynch Prome, but whose election I think will not stunt discussion and critique of the mayor himself.
##Vote: VisceraEyes
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On February 27 2013 09:48 MilkSuckler wrote:
EBWOP fail
TestSubject893
Can i please have your Wade Fell read (just town, null, scum) will suffice.
Null. Or maybe on the town side of null.
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On February 27 2013 09:50 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 09:35 TestSubject893 wrote:I've been working all day and just now got caught up on the thread. Here's what I've got. Promethelax is still my top scum read and I will be voting for a mayor that wants to kill him. Jungle Jorge and ObviousOne, in that order, are next on my scum list. I think we're placing a little too much trust in DoctorHelvetica. It seems like some people are treating him as nearly confirmed town, and frankly he's not even close to that in my book. Moreover, I'm afraid that should DrH get either of the elected roles, his perception as confirmed town will only be furthered, without him doing anything more pro-town. Most of his cred has come from telling people they aren't scumhunting enough and how great scumhunting is, and while these things are pro-town, its not something that's hard to fake. On top of that, the only contribution he's made on the scumhunting front is to really amplify the pressure on Prome. While again, this is great, the fact that he seems to be distancing himself from it slightly in this post + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote:
I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo.
Jcarlsoniv do you believe prom and vivax are town? If yes, what makes you believe so? Weird that you chose to respond to that specifically. Maybe not, maybe I'm being paranoid. And yes, I'm still pushing Prome for the day. He basically martyred so he should die. I'm working from 1-10 PST tonight so unfortunately I'm not gonna be able to be here to push him. Since all discussion is built on this foundation of lynching Prome, it's the best outcome for us right now. At least for Day 1. I would never say to lynch for information, I absolutely believe he is scum but there is no sense in acting on hunches and getting distracted. Don't fuck it up guys keep focused on the goal of finding scum. Everything else comes second. is a little concerning to me. I think it's likely that DrH is town, but lets make him prove that to us before we show him so much trust. Hopefully, we've gotten it right with Prome, in which case DrH will be deserving of the town cred he seems to currently have. With the this in mind, I'm going to vote for someone who is going lynch Prome, but whose election I think will not stunt discussion and critique of the mayor himself. ##Vote: VisceraEyes Why are you trying to make people doubt the alignment of somebody that you think is town? And isn't the same thing happening for VE that you say is happening for Dr.h? People are treating VE like confirmed town too and him being elected might cause reads to be strengthened too?
My point is that I think electing DrH could be detrimental to the town if we don't take a careful look at our opinion of him and why it is the way it is. I'm only mentioning his alignment as it concerns him being elected.
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EBWOP: I don't think its as bad for VE as it is for DrH, but maybe I'm wrong, I've been just barely able to keep up with the thread today so its possible I'm off the mark.
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On February 27 2013 10:01 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 09:57 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 27 2013 09:50 layabout wrote:On February 27 2013 09:35 TestSubject893 wrote:I've been working all day and just now got caught up on the thread. Here's what I've got. Promethelax is still my top scum read and I will be voting for a mayor that wants to kill him. Jungle Jorge and ObviousOne, in that order, are next on my scum list. I think we're placing a little too much trust in DoctorHelvetica. It seems like some people are treating him as nearly confirmed town, and frankly he's not even close to that in my book. Moreover, I'm afraid that should DrH get either of the elected roles, his perception as confirmed town will only be furthered, without him doing anything more pro-town. Most of his cred has come from telling people they aren't scumhunting enough and how great scumhunting is, and while these things are pro-town, its not something that's hard to fake. On top of that, the only contribution he's made on the scumhunting front is to really amplify the pressure on Prome. While again, this is great, the fact that he seems to be distancing himself from it slightly in this post + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote:
I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo.
Jcarlsoniv do you believe prom and vivax are town? If yes, what makes you believe so? Weird that you chose to respond to that specifically. Maybe not, maybe I'm being paranoid. And yes, I'm still pushing Prome for the day. He basically martyred so he should die. I'm working from 1-10 PST tonight so unfortunately I'm not gonna be able to be here to push him. Since all discussion is built on this foundation of lynching Prome, it's the best outcome for us right now. At least for Day 1. I would never say to lynch for information, I absolutely believe he is scum but there is no sense in acting on hunches and getting distracted. Don't fuck it up guys keep focused on the goal of finding scum. Everything else comes second. is a little concerning to me. I think it's likely that DrH is town, but lets make him prove that to us before we show him so much trust. Hopefully, we've gotten it right with Prome, in which case DrH will be deserving of the town cred he seems to currently have. With the this in mind, I'm going to vote for someone who is going lynch Prome, but whose election I think will not stunt discussion and critique of the mayor himself. ##Vote: VisceraEyes Why are you trying to make people doubt the alignment of somebody that you think is town? And isn't the same thing happening for VE that you say is happening for Dr.h? People are treating VE like confirmed town too and him being elected might cause reads to be strengthened too? My point is that I think electing DrH could be detrimental to the town if we don't take a careful look at our opinion of him and why it is the way it is. I'm only mentioning his alignment as it concerns him being elected. But you think he is town so why spread doubt about him? I get what your point is but you have no reason to make it since all you might do is dissuade others from voting in someone that you think is town.
My read on him is closer to null than town, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. It sounds like you're saying, "why are saying DrH isn't confirmed town when you think he's confirmed town?". The answer to that would be that I don't think he's confirmed town. I believe electing him would be detrimental to the town if we don't change our attitude toward him.
+it would be far more relevant to talk about VE since he is the one that currently stand to be mayor and the one you voted for. Plus why don't you want people to look over their reads on him since he is being treated more like a confirmed townie thatn dr.h is.
I'm not saying not to scrutinize VE. In fact, if you look at what I said, you'll see that I'm confident that VE will get scrutinized, even if he gets elected mayor.
It seems one of our big differences is that I think people are more trusting of DrH than VE, and you seem to think the opposite, I'm not sure why this isn't explanation enough for our differences right now.
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@layabout: If you don't want me to respond to something, why even post it? On top of that, if you think my response is invalid, why don't you want more explanation? Your last few posts directed at me have really rubbed me the wrong way. I'd like some explanation. Did you misread what I wrote or what? The way I see those posts you're picking a fight with someone just for the sake of it. And the most obvious explanation for that would be that you want to look like you're contributing to town, without doing much.
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