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This will be my catching up post. Promethelax For starters, my strongest scum read currently is Promethelax. His first post was (as previously mentioned) quite useless. It was a fairly large post that says things that everyone in this game should know. It seems to be a post just to seem like he is saying something, granted it could come from a player frustrated by the last few games, but his followup posts make me read it as the former. On January 26 2013 09:08 Promethelax wrote: Okay, lets set some ground rules, no one tries to lynch Marv d1 unless Hapa, me and VE all agree about him being scum. We're the three who know him well in this group. A corollary is that we will lynch him in lylo no matter what. If he is town and scum want to take the risk of letting him live that long we can make that trade. Along with that we will kill lurkers and liars, I'm done with towns where those things are acceptable. I would like confirmation from those players who are here on this. People who play anti-town will also be lynched. We must make it so that townies cannot play in a scummy way, it is time for town to win a mini. We believe in capital punishment in this town. xsksc: tell me about yourself. What are your strengths and what are your weaknesses? In that quote he says that he is one of the three people in this group that know Marv well, but he immediately votes Vivax for his acceptance of Marv's uncontested Miller claim. Maybe I don't know Marv as well as I think I do, but I'm 100% sure that Marv would not gamble on a miller claim like that. There's a 40% chance that he just instantly dies, and I think he's far too good of a scum player to try a gamble like that, I would only expect it from a weaker player. There's too big of an initial risk, and with so many people knowledgable about C9 set ups it would be a huge risk later on as well. I can see no scum motivation for Marv doing this claim, it would only hamper him in the long run in my opinion. The fact that Promethelax was so quick to A) throw a vote on Vivax for coming so quickly to the same line of thinking, and B) throw suspicion on Marv's claim after saying how well he knew him makes me think he's just trying to spread suspicion however he can. I'm not sure how to take his conversation with Hapahauli about past games, I haven't yet had time to read them to find out which one is actually correct in their account of it, but it seems strange that they would disagree about so much of it. Not necessarily scummy, just strange at this point. On January 26 2013 20:02 Promethelax wrote: Clearly it does not make I p scummiest in my eyes. JX is scummiest. In the shower I had a thought he wants us to distrust Marc's miller claim. Scum want that. This is exactly what he had been doing earlier though, trying to make people distrust Marv's claim, so why is that only scummy when JieXian does it? I also don't feel he has been very active in pressuring lurkers, but he has at least commented on them, though it felt very out of place. Coming after such a hardline stance on lynching lurkers this also reads scummy to me. It may just be because it is sitll fairly early in Day 1, but I expect to see more later in the day or this will become increasingly scummy. I'm null on his post clarifying VisceraEyes statement because on one hand I do see it as a distinctly townie to try and clarify the thread and generate discussion, but I can also see the scum motivation in it. Because this is such a middle ground thing it weakens my scum read on him, but I'm comfortable enough to have a vote on him for now. ##vote: Promethelax @Prom: Do you still consider Vivax's posts scummy? How do you feel about VisceraEyes? What do you think of Hapahauli so far? Weaker/nullish reads Thrawn2112 This will be much shorter. His first post is entirely null to me, a fairly obvious joke post but I don't have much faith in my ability to tell whether the joke is forced or not. What's concerning to me is his lack of contribution afterwards, I'm used to Thrawn being a name I see pop up quite frequently in whichever game he is in, and he's thus far barely been in this one. I don't think this matches up with any of his previous playing styles however, so this is a very weak scum read. VisceraEyes On January 26 2013 17:35 VisceraEyes wrote: In this post he appears to be suspicious of prom for his vote on Vivax. What strikes me however is that if he's suspicious of Prom, he's basically telling Prom how to answer to make himself less suspicious. Why would he do this as a townie? As scum I can see reason for him to coach Prom through to the correct response regardless of Prom's alignment, but why would iamp do that as town? Especially given his response to my calling him out: This post struck me as quite scummy, because I cannot follow the logic in this post. He throws suspicion on IamPerfection because he cannot see the town reason to coach someone through a question. But where is the mafia motivation? If he's coaching another mafia member in the thread, why not just tell him in their QT? If he's coaching a townie, well, why? He's either lowering the suspicion on them, or making the question null. It seems more likely to be a mistake in my eyes, so Viscera trying to paint it as scummy is suspicious to me. @VisceraEyes Do you agree or disagree with my thoughts on IamPerfection's post? How do you feel about Promethelax's post clarifying what you said? | ||
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On January 27 2013 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't find anything in your post to agree or disagree with aside from you thinking my post is scummy. I uh....disagree that my post is scummy? What's even scummy about it? I don't understand why I have to be scum because you disagree with my suspicion. Can you not think of a town motivation for me making a case against someone and voting for them? Do you KNOW something about iamp's alignment that I don't? Promethelax clarification was, in fact, what I meant. I didn't see it and didn't respond to it, but looking back he's right in what I found suspicious about iamp's post. Djodref dumbed down my accusation unfairly and Prom corrected him. Like you, I find this null. I wasn't asking if you agreed your post was scummy, I was asking if you could understand my reasoning and the first half of your post quite adequately answered that. I am a little worried about how defensive you are in the second half. Though I would agree with your reasoning if it were most players, but I find it more useful to use different things to read IamPerfection. Have you played with him often? I'm glad we're on the same wavelength about the clarification. You've moved up more towards townie with this post though. | ||
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On January 27 2013 11:52 Vivax wrote: Ok alright. Let's assume for a moment that he is the first scum. We have to find the second. Everything xsksc posts from now on is done of his own will. If he redeems himself, fine, if not, he's dead anyway. ##Unvote ##Vote Sharrant Lengthy post with scumreads I don't agree with. He starts on picking on Prom for posting a useless first post but doesn't see xsksc's posts. The post is designed to look like he's putting effort into the game and suggests he posted that to not get attacked by us so he can go back lurking and doing nothing while resting on some made up reads. I'm interested to hear where you disagree with my scum reads, would you please elaborate? I have not missed xsksc's posts, but I haven't felt the need to comment on them yet. My first read through the thread I thought he was pretty scummy, but I did not have time to write a post at that point. In subsequent readings I've had him anywhere from null to slightly townie. On January 26 2013 14:06 xsksc wrote: It's just us 3 on? zzz Where are the Americans? It can't be that late across the pond o.O On January 26 2013 14:11 xsksc wrote: Marv is british, no? It's 5.11am here ^_^ Posts like this make me think he is very enthusiastic about this game, something which for most is a town tell, perhaps that's how he plays as mafia, but I haven't read his past games. We share at least one town read, and he has at least one of my town reads as a scum read. His interaction with Djo was a rather protracted and silly argument, but that's more Djo's fault than his I'd say, and I have a notoriously hard time reading Djo so it's neither here nor there to me until I have a better grasp of both players. Xsksc has some strong town tells to me, but has a number of iffy things that bring him down to nullish-town. I don't feel the need to talk about town reads with the thread unless specifically asked about them, or if a strong town read is being attacked, that's why there's been no comment. | ||
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On January 27 2013 13:59 xsksc wrote: @sharrant Level of enthusiasm is a pretty bad way of reading someone I think. Mafia can pretty easily fake it...those posts would be just as easy for me to make if I was scum. I would disagree with you, even many of the strongest scum players on the forum are easiest to spot just by their interest and enthusiasm for the game. That's been Marv's downfall in several games and I'd say he's the strongest scum player I've seen on the forum. An earnest enthusiasm is a difficult appearance for mafia players to keep. You could be proving me wrong right now, or you could just be very enthusiastic because this is your first scum game in just under a year and a half. That was an avenue of thought I had not explored. | ||
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On January 27 2013 14:21 iamperfection wrote: is it time to get the search party together for thrawn??? anyways the wagon on thrawn is now the wagon of justice. thrawn lurks when he is scum show him no mercy. Is this a lurker lynch, or a scum lynch in your eyes? | ||
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On January 27 2013 14:47 iamperfection wrote: i think i was pretty clear on what it was. plus i only lynch in one way and that is scum...... You were quite clear, but I wanted to give you a chance to clarify. I agree that Thrawn lurks when he is scum, but I have never seen him lurk this hard. Comparing his filters in other games they suffer significantly when he's scum compared to town, but I find it a little absurd to compare this lurking to his lurking in other games. I would be more agreeable if you had said this was a lurker lynch, but lurking this hard is headed into modkill/replacement territory, and at least from my perspective this seems non-alignment indicitave because of the severity of the lurking. I'll consider this more as we get closer to the deadline, but unless he pipes up soon, he's going to stay as a null read. | ||
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On January 28 2013 03:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not softdefending thrawn. I'm saying I don't like that there's no resistance to the wagon. I've said (multiple times) that I'm okay with a thrawn lynch. So whatever, keep trying to inject scumminess into my play however you wish yamato. It doesn't make me scum. Now you've got me interested. Are you saying you don't see how what you're doing constitutes a soft defense? You say you're "okay" with the lynch, but then say that he can't be scum because no one is defending him. That sounds like a defense to me. What would you call it? I can't really see a way for scum to push the wagon off of him at all without drawing attention to himself, aside from a play like that. Any other attempt besides a very good case on another player would be fairly transparent I think. Do you agree? If you don't, how would you attempt to bring the case off of him if you were both scum hypothetically? | ||
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On January 28 2013 03:36 EmileZola wrote: ##unvote ##vote: VisceraEyes At least put some effort into it. I can't read your play because of how little of it there's been, and the constant is he or isn't he defense by everyone that's played with Zentor. Please give some reasoning. | ||
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On January 28 2013 06:43 iamperfection wrote: 3 stars for argo do we have enough votes yet to kill thrawn? Is that out of four or out of five? I thought it was an excellent movie. I'll be here from now until the lynch deadline, after that I'll be popping back in every so often. If anyone has any questions I'd be glad to answer. I will not move over to a Thrawn lynch though, I'm not comfortable with a lurker lynch when there's people I think are scummier. I would rather lynch Promethelax today, if I had to chose someone else it would probably be VisceraEyes, but I'd prefer to have him around another day to try and get a better read on him. I'm expecting Djodref to show up in the thread soon otherwise he'll be picking up traction in my mind as a suspect. | ||
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On January 28 2013 06:57 Promethelax wrote: I don't see the insult. Answer me about where you are getting these meta reads and your game history. On January 23 2013 19:05 Promethelax wrote: Are you planning on getting modkilled and replaced again by the way? I am not fond of people whom I have replaced for. On January 26 2013 14:18 Promethelax wrote: JX also hasn't posted and its afternoon for the little spam monster. Ghost is American and I dunno where the smurf is from for real. I honestly doubt sharrent will even post, I had to replace for him in LC and I doubt things have changed. We will see though. I too am worried by Tfunk. I look forward to something from him, . I'll let you figure out where it is in the first post. To answer your questions (because I'm just such a nice guy) my meta reads are because I've read the majority of the games that have happened since August or July on the forums, though very few from before that time. And this is my last complete game on here. NMMXXVII http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548 My filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548&user=279649 | ||
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On January 28 2013 07:04 Promethelax wrote: oh and Sharant, riddle me this, do you really believe activity is a good indication of alignment? A simple yes or no will do. Viv, put your vote on someone you think is scum. Don't be a fool. Purely activity? No. But I don't see how asking a yes or no question is going to help you at all though, that's rather silly. Some players are, however. more easily read by their activity level and their tone/language rather than their contributions, there are players in this game I would put in that category. | ||
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On January 28 2013 07:20 Djodref wrote: I'm here and I'm ready to fight ? What do you want from me ? You cannot expect me to wake up exactly at 6am on Monday morning to play this game. Would I be scum if I miss my alarm clock ? @ ghost We need your case on VE. @ VE Sharrant was the resistance for thrawn lynch. You are not reading the thread properly. If you had said you were going to be here and then weren't, that would be a mark against you. Catch up on what you've missed, and stick around for the lynch. That's what I want. | ||
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EmileZola is like a vortex for my sanity. Another big lurker (though slightly more active) and he's mainly just sort of trolled along. I think it's fairly safe to treat him like he's not MrZentor, which makes me wonder why the wagon that was beginning to form on him fizzled out and hasn't come back after the revelation. He agrees with one of my reads though, I'm not sure to take that as a mark against my read, or a mark for him being townie, I need to hear more from him. Djodref is still null for me, and JieXian is pretty much my wildcard scum read. If it doesn't end up being Prom/VE/EmileZola I would expect JieXian to be in the team. | ||
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On January 28 2013 07:32 Promethelax wrote: Shar says he has read every game since july but not played in any. Most. Not every. I decided not to play in any games after LC until my circumstances would permit it more. On January 28 2013 07:29 Djodref wrote: I've caught up on the thread already. I have been missing deadlines as scum and as town because mornings are difficult for me. Anyway, you said before that you have a notoriously hard time reading me bit I don't remember playing any game with you. What games were you referring to ? Witchcraft, NMMXVIII, Hero, and Mario mini are the main ones. I had you pretty much as a null read throughout them, I couldn't ever really figure you out. In Chrono Trigger I pegged you fairly easily as town, but that was more the nature of the game than anything I think. | ||
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On January 26 2013 16:16 Promethelax wrote: Before it got fucked up we were both town. I feel like you calling me scum in CT was more an omgus than a read. Look let's drop it, we aren't finding scum here and now with this discussion. @Prom Just a case of me not being specific enough. The games I was referring to not having read were the newbie games. You say he only ever misread you as mafia back in the newbies. He claims that you were actually mafia in that game. And then you say something about the game being fucked up (presumably it had to be restarted and you were rolled as mafia on the second time). That's what confuses me, why do you two have such different recollections? I could see the scum motivation in your side of the exchange, but I thought it was too absurd to be an actual attempt at hoping Hapa would not remember the games clearly. So it was just null and confusing. I did read CT, I was pretty sure you were town there, and that Hapahauli was just being paranoid town as well so I wasn't confused there, just didn't seperate the two sets of games you were referring to. | ||
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