EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XXXIV
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On December 24 2012 15:50 debears wrote: Townies that I coach seem to die n1....I don't get it LOl.. to be honest, i wish I asked you and Hapa more questions. But, I never knew what to ask  | ||
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On December 24 2012 16:13 Hapahauli wrote: I think the best way you can learn/correspond with a coach is to ask them for critical opinions on your reads/cases. It's a good safety-net against confirmation bias, and you get to see how an experienced player thinks about reads and tells. Thanks will try this next game. I just didnt think youbguys wanted to be bogged down with reading cases when your active in one or two games. Good to know we can pester. So will take better advantage. | ||
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I assume regardless of filled capacity this would start after newbie 33? Sorry its prob in the rules, but I am writing from p4 [Editted blue -> Green] | ||
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On December 31 2012 11:09 Spaghetticus wrote: This game will likely be a little less hectic with the number of people that played in XXXIII. We'll almost have an established meta :D NOO!!!!! the last game was way too inactive for my liking | ||
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Those opening questions are just small talk; I wouldnt be too concerned with it; anyone can go into another thread and copy/paste a response from a "confirmed" townie. | ||
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On December 31 2012 19:00 cakepie wrote: Including that bit about looking up a dictionary? <3 LOLs Nicely Played.  | ||
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On December 29 2012 14:23 cakepie wrote: If I /replacement will you put us in a "pastry" tier? (Just kidding. I'm still undecided if I'm up for anything right after xxxiii yet) C'mon Cakepie, we need a +1 and I am sure you want to do more dictionary retorts to me! We NEED you. | ||
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One more n00b, where art thou!! | ||
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On January 03 2013 03:29 Dandel Ion wrote: I'm gonna take it out when the game actually starts :O Filters are srs bsns after all. LOL For posterity (i can remove if wanted) Filters! cDgCorazon Mocsta OmniEulogy jampidampi zarepath Spaghetticus Sylencia StriX TeMiL the Hero 9/9 players remain! | ||
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On January 03 2013 04:27 Spaghetticus wrote: ... Late night, or just SUPER excited to play. LOL | ||
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Thats a fine start. but try here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091#3 The first one is an excellent resource to have a read through. | ||
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Smurfs allowed in this? Regardless should prob vote Temil off Day 1 no matter what!  | ||
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On January 03 2013 10:36 cDgCorazon wrote: 1) Lynch all Lurkers or not? As promised ... I did promise I would quote Cakepie In all seriousness though: Now that I am aware of my alignment I can go ahead with my plan to hopefully reduce lurker play styles. My intention is every 12hrs, I will post a summary post which is going to give a count of every players posts in that interval. Depending on the effort required, I may also summarise how many I think are fluff, and how many are (IMHO) genuine attempts to scum hunt. My expectation is that this will highlight to all players: who is trying to contribute, and who is flying under the radar. The knock on effect is, this tool should help stimulate town discussion and present additional options for scum hunting, and person(s) to apply pressure. 2) How would the mafia try to get us to mislynch a townie? Simple. They will most likely do nothing. As evidenced in Newbie Mafia XXXIII, active townies were lynching townies who deviated from the status quo and built up confirmation bias until a wagon started. All the mafia had to do was stay silent, and let the townies do the work. This leads to a valid point raised by Spaghetticus in Newbie Mafia XXXIII. LASTLY 3) What time zone are you in? Can players please confirm time zone, so at least we can appreciate whether responses are not to be expected. I am +8 GMT (thus, deadline is 8am for me) | ||
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On January 03 2013 11:08 Spaghetticus wrote: My position is the opposite of Omni's. Lying is justifiable but lurking is not. Death to he who lurks! Interesting. I assume this aligns with your previous thoughts from Newbie Mafia XXXIII.. On December 19 2012 11:00 Spaghetticus wrote: For lying I am the same. In the one game I've played I lied to hide that I was a cop. If you lie this draws massive attention, but it's important to look for motive, intention, and possible outcomes as well. @Spaghetticus You believe lying as a blue power role is acceptable. I will not choose to debate this, it is your opinion. What I would like you to expand upon is the following: Obviously it is in the nature of mafia to lie. If you ask a mafia player.."Are you mafia", we can not expect them to reasonably answer "yes". Thus, if both YOU and the mafioso have an inclination to lie (as indicated above); How am I, or the remaining town players meant to reasonably differentiate you from the scum that surrounds town? | ||
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On January 03 2013 11:44 zarepath wrote: That is your prerogative, and I will not hold the "no-lynch" against you yet; due to your rational regarding town environment - I happen to agree.I would rather no-lynch on the first night than lynch lurkers, personally. I would think that first day lurkers in a newbie mafia game are more likely than not to be bored townies, especially considering the slow-roll start to this mafia game. I think that engaging in a Lynch Lurkers policy assumes that our town environment will be poor, and I'd rather simply create an environment without lurkers. I don't know how I feel about Mocsta's summary plan. I think people should be smart enough to realize who's contributing and who's not on their own, and a summary like that every twelve hours gives the impression of contributing without actually doing it. Very fair point. I was hoping someone would pick this up. I agree, summary posts like can be construed as "mock/scum" contributions [on the proviso, it is the only contribution] However, that is not the intent of the summary post. I agree whole-heartedly, that a lurker does not immediately suggest scum play. I also agree that it may indicate a bored townie. In fact, I am also in general alignment with your thoughts on town environment. I want to help facilitate a town atmosphere where: - we DO NOT just target (read: bandwagon) outspoken individuals - who typically will be townies. Rather, - we enable the identification of people are flying under the radar and question them. [In addition to ongoing scum hunting] I think this is a valid tool that can be used to re-enforce scum hunting. Thus,the summary post is a mechanism that *in theory should* enable us to identify suspicious person(s) to question further. The corollary is that it may also help identify people whose attitudes are town motivated. Ultimately, I plan to be an active participant in the town environment; I expect my actions to speak louder than words. | ||
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On January 03 2013 12:34 cDgCorazon wrote: Do you think it's something that only a townie would do? While we can certainly give Mocsta credit for keeping tabs on everyone, I wouldn't call it a town oriented move. I welcome it, but it would be a null point on my opinion of you Mocsta. @Corazon I guess you didn't read my wall text... let me requote it for you. On January 03 2013 12:11 Mocsta wrote: Ultimately, I plan to be an active participant in the town environment; I expect my actions to speak louder than words. Anyways, I don't want to waste further conversation on this. My point was to highlight I plan to create these summary posts, not to ask for approval. If there is constructive criticism of them after the first couple, I will open ears to discussion; however, for the time-being, I am going to implement what is in my head - and see if it works. Furthering matters, cDgCorazon, your a person who has a history for succumbing under pressure. So I am voting for you for 2 reasons. (1) I don't like your response. On January 03 2013 10:36 cDgCorazon wrote: 2) How would the mafia try to get us to mislynch a townie? I'll save this answer for after more people have discussed it. Why do you need to wait? What is the town motive behind this? (2) You have started the discussion, but it has largely been useless so far [ Bet you recognise this one, sorry for the in-joke]As for the way discussion REALLYstarts... someone throws down a vote. ##Vote: cDgCorazon You have proven (in the past game) that you can actively provide new approaches to old ideas. However, so far your posts have been a boring regurgitation of old content (of which you don't even fully address). | ||
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On January 03 2013 13:18 cDgCorazon wrote: However, your early pressure is not characteristic of scum, so this does give off a town read to me. I will give you that. Although there's no need to be firing a warning shot so early when only a handful of people are posting (or even know that the game is started.) (1) Its too early to be talking about town tells. In particular because "only a handful of people are posting" (2) Your overall response exhibits the calmness and reasoning of a townie, but on the other hand, your "pretend townie" mafia play has proven to be of a decent calibre. People say a Vanilla Townie may be bored as they have no "power". I disagree. During the Day, VTs/Blues/Mafia are all equal: with one VOTE to cast. Each as valid as the next one. The pressure of a lynch is nothing to laugh at, or throw recklessly. [This vote was not thrown recklessly] Out of respect for your last game, I will continue to exercise my right: to treat you with caution. Thus, the vote will remain. [I am at risk of flooding the thread so will take a breather] I hope someone from the USA shift uses this vote as a medium to engage more conversation with yourself. I conclude with: On January 03 2013 12:50 Mocsta wrote: As for the way discussion REALLYstarts... someone throws down a vote. | ||
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