EPTParallel World Mafia: Chaos of GreY
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austinmcc
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Palmar, can I ask not for names but whether there are other linked pairs, or at least the possibility for other/different linked pairs in the future? | ||
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@randombum On December 13 2012 17:06 randombum wrote: Well done reading, and I like him as townie too. Could you explain why? You momentarily suggested lynching me because I was from the other thread, which I found horrible reasoning, but then read me and concluded I was townie. Without any specifics. Why do you read me as townie (not that you shouldn't)? Not @sloosh I like sloosh's filter the most out of people on this side of things. He was reading both threads, was looking at why people were voting foolishness, and brought the ##worship up at a random time. Don't understand dionosore's reasoning on Foolishness at all. Votes because Foolishness talked about swaps, then said he didn't want to waste time talking about swaps an hour and twenty minutes later. Talking about swaps was bound to happen, but, to some extent, people like sandroba are right that we needed to stop. Given the order of Foolishness's comments, swap talk with a later comment that we need to stop swap talk (especially for you guys and now us guys in the lynch world), I don't see the contradictions that Dienosore wants to find. Don't love his secondary explanation either: On December 13 2012 12:37 Dienosore wrote: That is one of the reasons, yes. I've also factored in Marv's meta read on him and how Fool handled it. Also, he hasn't really denied being scum, just sort of has been deflecting the issue by arguing with folks. Also, my maps show that Fool has absolutely no support from anyone on either world. In fact, he even has some negative vibes from Sandro and Yomato, both of whom I consider to be playing fairly towny at this point. Now that I've tilted my hand, it's your turn to explain your reason for voting for him. First sentence vague imo. Second sentence finds Foolishness scummy because he hasn't explicitly DENIED being scum. Not exactly what I want to hang my hat on. Maps show Foolishness having "no support" from anyone in either world, without an explanation of why that makes him scummy -- scum is going to let 25% of their team go down D1 without ANYONE putting up a fight at all? And he gets town vibes from yamato, who is a crazy person. Dienosore, thoughts on clarity's swap? Read on Keirathi? Do you still find yamato townie? | ||
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On December 13 2012 01:26 Palmar wrote: Palmar could respond that Foolishness is mafia, shuddup and sheep the vote. Could give some crappy reason.I think Foolishness is a really good player. While I am completely aware that marv hasn't exactly been a shining beacon of green, he's not done anything I can see that warrants Foolishness calling him scum at that point. So, Foolishness is trolling, scum, or seeing something I don't see. I'm waiting for him to come back and actually give me a legitimate reason to consider his early call that marv is scum. If he doesn't have a solid reason for it, I'm inclined to think he's scum, as I don't often see Foolishness troll, although he's notoriously lazy on day one. Instead, he actually types out a full response as to what he thinks Foolishness might be doing, and why Foolishness might be scum given what he's doing. I'm not used to seeing complete thoughts like this from Palmar to random questions. Palmar also heavily telegraphed how Foolishness's response would shape his read, whether honest or not, which feels a bit strange though. If Palmar's read is truly going to be influenced by Foolishness's response, then he wouldn't go telling Foolishness how to respond. I dunno, when I first read this post I liked it a lot, found it very townie, but the more I think about it the more it feels a bit out of character - fully formed response to a question, giving out a thought process that's invalid once you put it into thread. | ||
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On December 14 2012 00:28 Palmar wrote: I was explaining how I had expected him to answer, that's why I asked him to lay out his thoughts before I actually explained what I had hoped for hearing. To put it simply, by the time I explained what I wanted from him, I also closed the window on an explanation from him. Fair enough. If you don't want to claim anything further about your role, fine, but you can't really get peeved at Clarity for swapping people with no notice if you're going around attaching them with no notice, and no explanation for what might be going on in the future. | ||
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austinmcc
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On December 14 2012 00:35 Palmar wrote: The king does as he wishes. I'm going to interpret this as "I've still been playing sven as a hard-support the last couple months." | ||
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You need to be a bit more clear as to what you do: In your first post, you said: After several turns your ability reveals a person who was swapped. You're forever stuck in your world Potentially "we" can tag a scum if "we guess" a swap reveal correct Later: Your ability shows alignment and/or role you assume Later later: You get to observe swaps that happen at night Do you have to activate this ability in order to "observe swaps that happen at night"? Does your ability stay activated permanently? What do you mean by "observe swaps" (We can all see who gets swapped, but you don't seem to be saying you can check everyone who gets swapped each night. So do you actually observe anything that the rest of us don't?) Your ability specifically says it "reveals" someone? If there's no detail, you probably should be asking what that means, rather than just saying it isn't specific. Are you un-swappable? If not, what do you mean by "forever stuck in your world"? | ||
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On December 14 2012 03:14 Dienosore wrote: The reason I find Yamato as town is because my maps indicate he has been fiercely interacting with something like 60% of the game's population. I just don't see a scumball creating such a large profile so early in the game, specially on a relatively non-threatening swap day. I guess you could argue that scum would use this time of peace to stir up as much trouble as possible, but my gut tells me he is just a deranged towny. I know you guys had a tense interaction in the other world, so please, I'd like to hear more of your thoughts about him too. I'm actually alright with that logic, although he doesn't seem to have a mode of interaction besides "fierce." My current thoughts are that he's overly aggressive and that I don't really want to follow or put faith in his reads, but that he's not scummy. His continued insistence on the mementoss read when we didn't have a lynch for another 72 hours in that world tells me that it's a real read, something he wants to push, and not just for show. Scum could have caved, or at the very least could have sought more opinions and then caved later, whereas he just continued to hammer the same point. Overall, I'm mildly townie on him. | ||
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"None of the following players are anti-town at the moment: Palmar, slOosh, Crossfire99" | ||
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I'm primarily concerned with lynching scum at the moment. Scum would be anti-town all day urrday, so this question catches them. It doesn't catch any kind of weird alignment swapping, and I omitted clarity_nl because all sorts of weird things could happen there. I just want to narrow down candidates for today's lynch, since the swap kind of reset this world to the beginning and we're not doing much. | ||
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"None of the following players have anti-town roles at the moment: Palmar, slOosh, Crossfire99" | ||
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On December 14 2012 04:04 slOosh wrote: "None of the following players have anti-town roles at the moment: Palmar, slOosh, Crossfire99" I like the phrasing here because Grey has warned of third parties. However, our win-con is the following: On December 11 2012 07:00 GreYMisT wrote: Town will win when all anti town elements are eliminated from the game We need to get rid of scum AND any 3P that count as "anti-town elements." Therefore, I want to phrase the question as anti-town. The fact that our wincon is phrased like that means that there very well could be multiple third parties, some which are friendly/neutral, and some which are "anti-town." Anti-town is the phrasing I want then, because it will cover scum and anyone else we need to kill, 3P or no. Just taking out scum doesn't meet our wincon, and I don't want the results muddled by catching a false positive on a 3P that isn't anti-town. So if someone would please go with "None of the following players are anti-town elements at the moment: Palmar, slOosh, Crossfire99" I like that phrasing better, because that is the wording of our wincon, and the wording of EVERYTHING that we need to get rid of. | ||
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On December 14 2012 04:38 Dienosore wrote: K so let me see if I have this right. Austin's power involves making other people ask questions, and then he get an answer that only he can read via pm. SOUNDS SKETCHY TO ME. It's hard for me to blindly trust someone like this. What's to stop him from lying about the results if he is scum? Im paying attention to both worlds. I have two tabs open and I'm monitoring both at the same time. I don't have any scum reads atm. I am curious, though, as to why you were so quick to swap your vote onto Crossfire with little explanation. There is NOTHING to stop my from lying about the results. Absolutely nothing. However, you should be looking at WHY I'm using the power now and HOW I'm using it. (1) We lynch today (2) There isn't a good lynch candidate on the table right now (3) Discussion stagnated I am using my power to (1) Try and confirm some reads (2) Narrow down our choices (3) Create discussion (4) Get rid of my power, it's one-shot, so that I can play normal and not be weird. I'm not town because I have a power. But I'm using my power right now for townie reasons, and you can either trust or not trust what I report as the PM I receive. You might also be able to see why I asked the question earlier about whether one player could have multiple alignments, as I wanted to know how to phrase my question. | ||
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"None of the following players are anti-town elements at the moment: Palmar, slOosh, Crossfire99" | ||
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On December 14 2012 04:48 slOosh wrote: "None of the following players are anti-town elements at the moment: Palmar, slOosh, Crossfire99" (Don't tell the bar association I'm doing this) | ||
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No matter what they are, 17th party planar dragon, whatever, if they're anti-town elements, we need to get rid of them. If they're NOT anti-town elements, we don't. Whatever their own wincons, whatever we might classify them, the deciding factor for what I need from them is whether or not they are "anti-town elements" | ||
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