Yeah millers please claim except DO NOT say your role's name.

I think we can use name claims for evidence in our first lynch.
Like ask the person who we are about to lynch what their role name is, then we have a mass role claim after our L-1 says his name. If it matches the theme of ours, we know they might be town (depending on how broad of a theme the names are)

What do people think of this plan? Do you understand it and think it's a good idea?

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

October 31 2012 23:35 GMT

#88

To the people saying millers shouldn't claim: You are wrong.

On November 01 2012 08:22 drazak wrote:
I don't think they need to claim early D1, it gives mafia someone NOT to lynch as the miller doesn't have a useful role.

If I were scum I would be pretty happy with nk confirmed town.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea

That is what is so good about the miller claim. It's confirmed by the second miller. Scum can never claim miller unless one of the millers is already dead.
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OK maybe mass claim is a bad idea because of blues.. I wasn't thinking that.
How about they name claim anyway though and we can all judge the validity of their name claim without revealing ours.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

October 31 2012 23:39 GMT

#91

On November 01 2012 08:36 drazak wrote:
What. How is anyone NOT mafia not confirmed town? o.O

Kush you're not making sense.

you're not making sense... I'm saying they are confirmed town for town, and that is a valuable target for nk imo.

@thrawn fuck i got those mixed up lol
The town who can talk to each other they should claim I think.

Also don't say your role name unless you are going to be lynched.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 01 2012 00:05 GMT

#94

On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote:
EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it.

I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up.
I think they should probably both claim actually.

@release
Are you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming?

Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death?

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 01 2012 00:35 GMT

#98

On November 01 2012 09:09 Zealos wrote:

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I highly doubt a mafia would get so aggressive right off the bat imo. Just seems like dumb reasoning, is all.

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Aggression is only a towntell if you have meta to back it up.
I have seen scum be very aggressive early.

I also want to hear more from release about why he thinks my plan was scummy.

(also yeah maybe mason claim is dumb now that I think about it more. I can see pros and cons to it.)

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 01 2012 01:47 GMT

#111

On November 01 2012 10:30 Release wrote:

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I was confused about whom we wanted to claim and which each were.
So i checked the OP and the thing Hope posted and asked for clarification.

Kush posted things based on a misunderstanding and i don't understand why he would not check the OP or ask for clarification. I mean, in Hope's post-quote, there was clearly a miller AND a mason. So it appears that Kush is
setting himself up for a defense ( as I have said), and overeager to contribute.

I guess you have never played with me before. Most of the time I don't think before I post and I'm quite capable of derps as town.

About your suspicion of me: Let me get this straight. You think my scumplan was to convince the masons to claim then cover my ass by pretending I mixed up masons and millers?
That does not sound like a realistic scumplan!

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 01 2012 02:26 GMT

#131

On November 01 2012 10:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush you think release is scum or town?

If I had to vote right now I would vote him if that answers your question.

@release Please clarify this while it's still fresh in your mind.

On November 01 2012 10:47 kushm4sta wrote:
About your suspicion of me: Let me get this straight. You think my scumplan was to convince the masons to claim then cover my ass by pretending I mixed up masons and millers?

Am I correct in describing your suspicion this way?

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 01 2012 10:22 GMT

#173

Before you were.talking about how people don't post without thinking in mafia.

On November 01 2012 13:07 Release wrote:
Sounds like bait from Muso. Wants me to push the agenda with which i have already parted.

Muso...

So you think this is a fake claim? Think about how easy it would be to falsify a fake mason claim.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 01 2012 10:23 GMT

#174

edwop not falsify but to prove false

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 01 2012 12:07 GMT

#176

On November 01 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote:
This Muso situation is kind of bad. A mason claim is only worth anything when we also know the other mason but right now there's no reason for him to claim. The only way it can be useful later is if Muso breadcrumbs who his mason buddy is but right now he's going to be watched closely by scum and his posting style looks like he'll have a hard time hiding this. Technically there aren't any rules about encryption in the OP so he could encrypt something and then give his buddy the key but that's just lame and hopefully wherebugsgo will disallow it.

I don't know about this Release thing. Calling people scum on page 1 for a dumb reason is generally not something scum would feel like they had to do. There are plenty of other people around but I don't have time right now. Actually I'm going to be busy for most of this game which will suck because my activity is a clear indicator of my alignment (even if people don't use it because they're lazy *cough* thrawn2112 *cough* kushm4sta *cough* Hopeless1der *cough*).

Right now I'm reading town on Mattchew, Muso and kind of town on Release and kushm4sta. I'll read the thread harder later today.

And we're past the one-liner stage of the game, consolidate unless you absolutely have to ask someone something right now which you probably don't. Nobody wants a huge game with tons of one-liners because it's simply harder and more annoying to read and that favors scum.

1 It's not true that the mason claim is only worth something if we know the other mason. We know muso is probably confirmed town and that is worth something.
We can ask release to name claim closer to deadline, and muso can compare names with his mason partner to see if it matches the theme.

2 It would have been nice if you said you were going to be busy before the game started. At this point it can be seen as an excuse for your supposed scumtell.

3 I like one liners and I would rather read a one liner than a wall of text.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

November 01 2012 15:02 GMT

#182

my thought on release is that it's completely possible he is town even though his actions look fishy. It's pretty hard to tell with new players.

I really don't understand how Matt can be so certain about release's alignment this early.