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austinmcc
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Haven't played with drazak or v7, although I've read some of the games that v7 played on TL. Looking forward to this game though, the format was interesting for the others, even if SOMEONE went and killed me early in the one I played. There was some chat in obs and post-game after GSL Open 2 that everyone should read. We treated too many days as 72-hour days, never made the instant majority system work for us in that game. I don't want to play overly scared of votes or hitting majority, and I don't support any kind of policy where we're FOSing or some other pseudo-vote. I'd much prefer we vote, vote for reasons, and be held accountable for those votes and reasons. + Show Spoiler + nick being Nick 'breakycpk' Caras = /slowclap | ||
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On October 20 2012 12:21 DarthPunk wrote: If he is scum it would have made him uncomfortable and potentially reduces his options. It was obviously a throwaway line but like most things I post there was some further motivation behind it. Not just: 'what role r u?LOLOLOL' It was some small amount of pressure early. No blue is going to claim. No scum is going to claim. People are reading way too much into this. If no blue is going to claim and no scum is going to claim, then what does this post even mean.... On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote: Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later. | ||
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On October 20 2012 12:26 DarthPunk wrote: Exactly everyone one is going to claim progamer. So what is the difference between asking their role and asking their alignment? Absolutely nothing aside from the fact that I thought if drazak happened to be scum it might put slightly more pressure on him. This post was like at the very start of the game. I was putting on some small amount of pressure in order to stimulate discussion. If you don't like it. Too bad. I agree that this isn't really a scummy thing to have done, just a dumb one, but I think MOST of the reason we're getting on your case is that you basically claimed you were DOING something with it, that this somehow kept people from fakeclaiming: On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote: Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later. when that's not true. You sort of made up a weird reason to justify your weird question, and are now going with a different explanation for your weird question. | ||
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On October 20 2012 12:37 DarthPunk wrote: No. That is bullshit. There was a reason I asked role instead of alignment. Because it didn't matter and I thought there was an additional benefit in asking role in that it would make it far more uncomfortable for scum to fake claim later. As they would have to fake claim and be instantly under scrutiny for lying. A blue is always going Claim if they need to because they are telling the truth Ergo: The only difference in my mind between pressuring by asking role over alignment would be dissuading scum from fake claiming by causing that to be an awkward proposition. I shouldn't have said 'can't' that is obviously false. I should have said dissuade. All blues will say they're green. All scum will say they're green. Later, Blues will claim blue, "because they are telling the truth." Scum will "be dissuaded from fake claiming" because "they will instantly be under scrutiny for lying" Somehow scum will be under scrutiny for lying, but blues won't be under scrutiny for lying? Or scum will somehow feel that, by telling you in the first hours of the game that they were vt, they now can't claim to be anything else? Your reasoning just doesn't make sense. Moreover, if your goal is to make scum feel pressure somehow, you'd ask everyone in thread. If the goal is to "put pressure on scum" in your mind, you'd make sure that you asked your question to everyone. By asking only one person, you're saying you wanted to put pressure on scum, when really you have no idea if you did that or not. | ||
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On October 20 2012 13:13 DarthPunk wrote: What do you think Austin? It was my second post of the game. I thought he had a 2/9 chance of being scum. Honestly. You say you asked because it would make him less likely to fakeclaim later in game. But you asked only him. Why would you ask only drazak, in order to make him uncomfortable with fakeclaiming later, if you didn't think he was scum and had no more reason to suspect he'd be fakeclaiming then anyone else? That's why I'm asking. The question sounds dumb, and I expect your answer to be "No, he had the same 2/9 chance as anyone." It just makes your explanation...still weird. | ||
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On October 21 2012 06:24 Z-BosoN wrote: lol, my vote was a pre-game joke. ##Unvote Let's not die guys. This game will take forever if it's this inactive. Austin, you've played with Kei in liquid city. What do you make of him? I don't remember kei in LC tbh. I was mostly inactive D1, came back looking at those couple specific people, died before I had a good handle on the full game. Kei from Aperture 2 I feel like is a solid townie as far as being active, looking town, once the game starts. Not...the type of player who takes advantage of that, though? Basically was the towniest person in game, was going to get protection, but kind of let spammier people take over and direct the flow of the game, and noticed that that was happening (kei, your game was much more fun when we were scumhunting than claiming/solving the game bit). I expect some good and insightful posts from him, but I haven't seen him be particularly aggressive. I think we also played...rockband? And maybe another game? I'll have to look through. I don't have a big meta handle on keirathi, but I'm also not generally good at catching people via meta or even USING meta. I mainly focus on picking out odd questions, or questions that never got pursued. That seems to be when I'm most effective, and so I'm going to try and mine the thread hard for things that stick out. Right now, and I haven't looked at his past play recently, but v7 is sticking out to me somewhat. The DP stuff was EASY to mine for activity last night, poke at it poke at it poke at it. And very safe too, because the way he started to flop around felt townie, so you could attack attack attack and just say "Eh, his flopping around townie." A couple of us did that, but DP has almost only talked about his past games and the DP stuff last night. (AND THEN HE MAY HAVE SPOILED GSL, UNSURE, I AIN'T CLICKING THAT UNTIL I WATCH) There's nothing more than that to go on, but out of all the people who have some posts, his feel like there's the least in them. Not relevant to anything that's happening, but spoilered for DP and so thread can see my thought process: + Show Spoiler + On October 20 2012 14:00 DarthPunk wrote: So what you are saying is that me asking the only person in the thread at that point makes less sense than calling for a mass claim 30 mins into day one. 0_o I asked if you thought he was scum because of this On October 20 2012 13:20 DarthPunk wrote: If there was even the slightest chance that draz was scum and would be less comfortable fake claiming it was a better play than the alternative IMO. I am done with this. You don't agree. so be it. If you didn't have any particular reason to believe draz was scum, then I was uncertain why you'd only ask HIM to roleclaim. The logic that this was a better play than not asking people would hold true for everyone, so if you were REALLY hanging your hat on "asking and making them claim VT is helpful" then you should have been asking EVERYONE, unless you had particular scumreads. That's why I ask, because that logic that you gave wasn't draz-specific, yet your question WAS draz-specific. There's a disconnect there, that I felt like would be addressed if you actually thought he was scum. I think asking ONE person this thing that you think is good to get answers to is weird, because you SHOULD be thinking it's good to ask every person in the game that. | ||
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On October 21 2012 07:59 marvellosity wrote: Hi guys! This game started at like an anti-timing for me. I've just read through the thread but I'm somewhat drunk so I don't really remember very much. Basically nothing overly productive is gonna happen until I sit down properly tomorrow, but if anyone wanna asks me anything in particular before I beddify shortly then I'm game. + Show Spoiler + Lots of gin and then wine after winning my county chess match today Hapa (i;m easly pleased). Managed to outplay this dude so hard and even had a brainfart in the middle of the game and gave away a whole rook and still won :x I'm just gonna note that the SC2 personalities are town here, and the LoL (non-SC2) personalities are anti-town. Chess is not SC2. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. | ||
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##Vote: vaderseven Much of your posting is just about DP last night, and everyone seems to have concluded that DP is town because of how he explained/tried to explain himself. That was just easy activity and an easy way to make it look like you cared about something. That applies to me too. We can all be suspicious of EVERYONE who has basically only been active for that. drazak. There was a lot of discussion about DP last night. In light of that discussion, do you still feel that your vote is on scum? If so, why? If not, out of the players who were poking at DP tonight, who looks the scummiest in the way they interacted with DP? | ||
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In my mind, that makes him less likely to be scum than the rest of us who took you to task for your question. If scum wanted to use that bit of time to get active and look like they were contributing, I don't expect they'd have done so by looking so weird with that vote. | ||
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was in response to DP about Drazak | ||
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On October 21 2012 09:45 drazak wrote: So scum are wishywashy (if I unvoted you), but deciding to keep pressure on you is also scummy? You sir are trying to set a trap to catch a townie, not catch scum. A bunch of people said they don't think he's scum. YOU said you don't think he's scum. Your vote isn't causing pressure. Your vote just looks weird, seeing as you're saying you want to keep it on a townie. What a strange start. | ||
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out of the players who were poking at DP last night, who looks the scummiest in the way they interacted with DP? | ||
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On October 21 2012 13:11 DarthPunk wrote: Bleh. If you are reading him as town we are on completely different pages. Which townie in their right mind would keep a vote on someone they think is not scum? There is not rationalising that action with a townie mindset. Any time I see this argument now, I think of it like this: Would a townie keep a vote on someone he said is not scummy? No. Which a mafia keep a vote on someone he said is not scummy? No. I don't think the action makes sense as either town OR scum, so it's not helpful to get a read on him. But I think if oversimplifying if you only ask what townie would to that, because you're ignoring that it doesn't make sense for scum either. | ||
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On October 21 2012 13:14 Hapahauli wrote: It's a similar read to my read on you really. Newer townies aren't "tainted" sometimes have very creative reasons for voting people. In this case, Drazak is saying he's keeping his vote on a null read to generate discussion - I don't agree completely with the rationale, but I don't find that mindset scummy. But it's good that you don't agree with me - it generates discussion and whatnot. I have more faith in Drazak's explanation than you do. Either way, I do want to hear more from him on the subject - can't hurt. hapa thinks non-new townies are "tainted." Not a townie mindset. Scum hapa! | ||
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DP didn't make a joke. Guilty conscience. Hapa/DP scumteam. | ||
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