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Ottoxlol
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Ottoxlol
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On September 26 2012 06:26 strongandbig wrote: So lets have a boring policy discussion to get us dicsussing something until someone does something scummy! This is the first game I've played with instant majority lynch. It seems like it can cut off day time and bring nights faster, which presumably would help scum. What are people's opinions on establishing a second nonbinding vote system and agreeing not to vote for real until like 24 hours or more into a day? Also lets random lynch day 1! On one hand you would like to be careful with the voting because of the instant majority, on the other you would like a random lynch. So why would you like a random lynch d1? | ||
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On September 26 2012 07:09 thrawn2112 wrote: ok so if you are going to be the last vote then you must say so in advance? no, you shouldn't vote as last if the guy had no chance to defend or claim. if you do anyway and he flips town, you will be lynched. | ||
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On September 26 2012 07:39 thrawn2112 wrote: that's what i'm saying. if there's one more vote needed and you wanna make that vote, you gotta say so in advance so the guy up for lynch knows it's time to make his (potentially) last defense sorry, I didn't get what you meant because if someone is one vote from lynching then he ought to know | ||
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Ottoxlol
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On September 26 2012 22:27 phagga wrote: I don't see how discussing time zones or activity times is gonna bring us anywhere. just check the timezone of everyone and note it down, I'm even gonna help with you that (because I already made it for myself): 1) ShiaoPi (Taiwan) 2) Bluelightz (Indonesia) 3) iamperfection (US) 4) austinmcc (US) 5) strongandbig (US) 6) Ottoxlol (Unknown) 7) thrawn2112 (US) 8) Sinensis (US) 9) Phagga (Switzerland) Further discussing this topic only gives scum the possibility to appear active without contributing. I agree with Sinensis that Boxers should not claim early. Boxers claiming only gives good targets to scum (as Sinensis explained), gives scum more knowledge about the setup and gives town the amount of blues with powers, which is all bad. Town should not rely on blues to scum hunt anyway, so not knowing if there are any blues to help is preferable. I'm EU, but on somewhat closer to us sleeping schedule fyi. I think we should give reasonable time for discussion to flow before lynching, we have 72 hours, fast lynching mostly favors scum in the beginning imo. s&b, On September 26 2012 10:33 strongandbig wrote: I thought there might be enough new players in the game that the scum team wouldn't have seen palmar do it in the past and would thus take it seriously. It only needed one or two townies to go along with it to get them freaked out, but I guess the townies in this game don't know why palmar does it, either. Why would scum freak out with random lynch? Sorry if I interpret random lynch in a different way, but that would give them a free pass to vote without any reasoning. austin: Why would a Boxer claim be any good for town atm? | ||
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Ottoxlol
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First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute: SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing. | ||
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Ottoxlol
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On September 27 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, back from school, ate dinner and took a bath and so it's mafia time. Suspicions I'm currently interested in Ottoxlol and austinmcc. austinmcc: He might be scum because he hasn't done ANY scum-hunting, just useless role discussion that won't get us anywhere unless there IS the role. Ottoxlol: Has a suspicion on SnB, better then austinmcc, but the reason why? First reason, he points out why SnB is scum, but doesn't point out that the point he pointed out is neccesarily scummy. Second, completely unrelated with why SnB is scum, "why me? why lynch me?!". These points I think are scummy because this post feels like it's a post that want's to dodge giving information to town. As well as, besides his suspicion post, his post's are all about Hammering etc, and they are truly short. This point is scummy because he's just spending time posting useless post's that won't help finding and killing scum. Out of the both, austinmcc seems more likely to be town then Ottox to me. ##FoS: austinmcc and Ottoxlol I don't understand this one, its the same as SnB, you had 3 posts before this one, one is a question, the other 2 are excuses. How can you call out others on things you do as well? | ||
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On September 27 2012 23:56 Bluelightz wrote: Are you just dodging my question? Oh, ##Vote: Ottoxlol. Proper defense please. Did you answer to that post? No. Who is dodging what then? I don't feel like there have been anything to take a stance on, random lynch was stupid, there was talk about Boxers claiming that was stupid too. I don't think that the way is to pick someone at random (me) then start voting because I did not hunt scum/ post a lot, meanwhile SnB, Bluelight, iamperfection, SInensis, phagga or austin posted similar to me in quality and quantity. I don't see why is it ok to vote for someone because he's just asking questions and has nothing new to add in the beginning but if it is so please I ask it again, SnB and Bluelight why would you vote me over the others? | ||
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I will wait for him to post, then we will see | ||
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The question was that if we would have gone along with the random lynch, why would it be good for town or scum? The way I see it only scum would want "random" lynch, could you explain it to me why you are not scum for wanting random lynch? @phagga That game was completely different from this. The previous game (LIII) I posted in a similar manner like this btw, I made a case on a blue who we lynched because his bad claim, we had almost zero discussion, the game ended with total scum victory, I wanted to make sure we do not lynch another blue and I saw a chance that Matt was one, so at least I tried to get everyone talking why did they voted. It didnt work out very well... If I did not defend myself you could have said that I gave up so I must be scum. Why is it a bad thing that I try to explain my actions and my thought process so we dont start off with a mislynch? @austin My main problem is you try to skew my post in a very different way then its written. My response to Bluelightz can be used for you as well, you do not point out why am I scummy other then I don't scumhunt (when next part you attack me for wanting to get answers from SnB, lol at waiting is bad with instant majority) | ||
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On September 28 2012 05:40 austinmcc wrote: That is not a defense. That is you requesting that we give you more information. You may think you need that information in order to mount a defense (I don't know what I'm being accused of, so I can't respond), but that doesn't quite fit with "All these other people are doing the same thing/being scummy" because you're basically saying "We all look bad," which is absolutely not a defense...it's an admission that you don't look good followed by nothing to make you look good. Especially when you don't give any particulars and you're just content to summarily state that many others are acting similarly. The way in which you "defended" yourself a is a lot of what looks off about you, because you're just casting a little bit of doubt on most of the thread in what you're doing, rather than pointing out what you've done that's not scummy, or going and making a case on someone that you DO find scummy. Nor do any of the other people on the list seem to be waiting around for one player to comment on one thing so that they can do anything. It fits because as far as I understand the vote on me by you is because i don't hunt scum, then what is "That is you requesting that we give you more information." if not that? And there is asking SnB why did he do something only scum would do (imo) | ||
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Check out my previous post, I think you can read my intentions clearly. I asked everyone who voted me why me over the others, still waiting on you guys to post it. I think I am hunting scum with this also with my questions toward SnB, if you still think I should do more then lynch me idc, this is what I can give town. No one doing anything special (much more then this) so idk why is the bus on me. | ||
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thrawn you posted a lot of useless things and lied when you voted me: On September 28 2012 06:46 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote Ottoxlol Alright otto that is 3 votes against you. You've been accused of giving a bad defense and it was, it was more of a deflection than a defense. You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true. So if snb is your top scumread can you give all the reasons why, and if he's not your top read / you're just waiting on his response or whatever, then who else looks scummy and why? The bolded part is not true at all, you are the first to come up with, others accused me with WAITING to vote as the biggest sin in an instant lynch game (LOL), my second post was about it and shortly after I posted On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him. First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute: SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing. Where in the hell did you get this "You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true.? " | ||
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On September 28 2012 07:38 strongandbig wrote: Otto you clearly didn't actually read the post where I explained the random lynch gambit. I wonder if it worked after all? For the last time, I am asking why would scum freak out, as far as I am concerned random lynch would mean they can vote without any reasoning so I see it as a 100% scum move. Explain it to me in detail pls. | ||
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On September 28 2012 07:35 thrawn2112 wrote: It was from when you didn't want to answer a question about him until he responded to your question quote pls? | ||
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My case on thrawn: On September 28 2012 07:32 Ottoxlol wrote: thrawn you posted a lot of useless things and lied when you voted me: The bolded part is not true at all, you are the first to come up with, others accused me with WAITING to vote as the biggest sin in an instant lynch game (LOL), my second post was about it and shortly after I posted Where in the hell did you get this "You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true.? " His response: On September 28 2012 07:48 thrawn2112 wrote: lol do you really not know what I'm talking about? You are asked who you will vote for, as in, who do you think is the scummiest. This is at a time when snb was who you were talking about. Your response was that you were waiting on snb to reply before you could answer the question. I gave my full read on SnB, explained why I did not vote at the moment, the first bolded part is where he lies about it, the second and third he wrote in the same post! Don't let him get away with this please ##Vote thrawn2112 | ||
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On September 28 2012 10:43 thrawn2112 wrote: ottoxlol: You say I lied, with the lie being that I said you wouldn't give your full read on snb. Yes you have given your read, but the question originally proposed to you was about where your vote was going to go, and you specifically declined answering that question. Whether or not you want to vote for snb is a very big part of what I look at when trying to determine how genuine your read on snb is. So your original problems with snb's suggestion were that you couldn't see how it could be fairly done as far as actual logistics goes? You didn't say anything like that at all when you said you first said you didn't like the idea. I did not decline answering, I already told Blue that I would vote SnB but first I want to hear his response. you can see what I wrote, you quoted it  )))) He asked that if I will vote for him, I reply we will see what he will respond. One more lie, this is the first time I post my concern about the random lynch thing: On September 26 2012 23:10 Ottoxlol wrote: s&b, Why would scum freak out with random lynch? Sorry if I interpret random lynch in a different way, but that would give them a free pass to vote without any reasoning. As you can see I am already concerned with that I am not sure if I understand random lynch and that I don't like it if its the way I think it is. This was my 5th post. | ||
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On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote: Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time. Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later. Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga? @iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that? @Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis. | ||
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