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On August 09 2012 10:04 Axero wrote: Hi everyone, nice to meet you all! I have been blessed with my role of townie, and would like to extend neighborly brownies to all my townie brothers and sisters! Townie brownie accepted fellow townie (and fellow first-timer)! Thanks all for having me and squeezing me into this game! I'm looking forward to it!  | ||
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There is someone earlier however that mentioned that they will be inactive first night right? I forget who posted that. I was not following the game before the reset, I just rejoined page 19ish when I got the invitation  All in all, I'm looking forward to it! Got my popcorn ready. | ||
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Your criticism is duly noted. | ||
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On August 09 2012 11:53 Hapahauli wrote: I don't understand the second bit - it's probably true, yes, but what does it have to do with the policy I proposed? Please explain. I apologize for being harsh, but it's important that every town member is willing to contribute good analysis and think critically about suspicions and ideas. It is impossible for town to win if townies aren't willing to read and think. No offense taken dude. To be entirely honest, I'm scouring the newbie guides right now. Through them, I'm getting a better idea of the culture of posting (i.e not to be flippant with posts). As per your first statement, the root of the misunderstanding is that I misread your original post. I was approaching the benefits of lynching inactive people purely from a "improving gameplay" standpoint. Being a noobie game, I'd rather have people that are active, and I figured noobie games would have a higher level of inactivity given the lower level of commitment. Inactive people are hard to read, don't contribute to conversations, and don't advance the gameplay. Removing people who don't want to or can't actively participate in the game doesn't bother me. That more clear? On August 06 2012 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:
Having read your post more carefully, I can say honestly I have no experience removing lurkers because they are more likely to be mafia. It's worth thinking about it, but I really can't weigh in on that issue. (Though your suggestion makes sense because incognito's newbie guide suggests mafia generally lay low for the first couple days....) From my noobie experience playing in person though, I've had very successful mafiosos both lurk while listening for weaknesses or try to guide the conversation in the first day. Comes down to player preference afaik. | ||
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On the 14th through the 17th of this month I'll be travelling to, preparing for and going through with my marriage ceremony on the other side of the country. My activity will wane somewhat during those times, but I'll keep up on the reading with my Iphone. My post count will probably lower, but the ball and chain is bringing her laptop, so that should be ok.  | ||
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I'm hesitant to level a FOS at anyone right now, but if i did level one it would be at lvdr. I found myself nodding when reading mkfuba's lengthy post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=24#462. The tenor of his posts (drunk or not) just strike of obfuscation more than anything else. But to excerpt a particularly cloudy question from lvdr: "@everyone - What is the book on emotional players?" I don't understand what you mean by emotional players. Could you clarify? Also, are you saying that iamp an emotional player with that open-ended question? And does the book refer to how to handle them collectively? When hapa brought me to task on my first post, I got emotional and felt under-the-gun. I saw the first bold text leveled in my general direction I made a flippant terse reactionary comment and clicked send. That was emotional play. After reading his next post, I took a deep breath and realized it wasn't an attack, just a note of confusion. Basically, I'm just having trouble distinguishing in my mind what "emotional play" could be other than play without logic or thought behind it. -- On August 10 2012 05:58 Promethelax wrote:Discuss the game and the players, we essentially got a free meta test day with D1.0 so we are starting from a better position than we were in on the first day one. I, for one, see more from this day than the one before it. It seems that people are referencing behavior from Day .5 often and letting those past behaviors inform decisions. I have not read the first 19pages or so of back-and-forth, choosing rather to comb since the dawn of Day 1. Is it common practice for newcomers to read the null day's proceedings? I'll start going back to it if that's the case. Fluffy sidenote:+ Show Spoiler + I had a little "Aha!" moment when Dandel wrote: On August 10 2012 07:40 Dandel Ion wrote: If you're (vanilla) town, why would you be concerned with being second on a case? You should not be scared of getting lynched, like, ever. People might accuse you of bandwagoning - so what? Once you flip green, it's just more evidence against them. It makes perfect sense though. In case you all missed it, I'm a vanilla townie. I for one feared being "outed" by someone because of the time investment spent into the game, and the long-term commitment to reading and responding. If I'm outed and lynched as a townie I still get to read the following proceedings and see what happened as a result of my death. All of the fun popcorn action, and less of the stress and verbal riposte! That's all for now, more later. | ||
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@Hapahauli I'm honestly surprised by your Un-FOS's. I'm willing to concede temporary agreement on the Axero posts, but I honestly hope this is just an attempt to smoke the quiet people out of the bushes. lvdr's defense to me just strike as more of the same. Two brief moments of sanity (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=26#503, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=26#) and then jumping back into confusing or circadian logic. There is one little gotcha moment from lvdr though that I jsut found courtesy of the filter function. + Show Spoiler + (what a cool function!! damn that's useful) As follows (bold and underline for emphasis): On August 10 2012 06:51 Lvdr wrote: I find this passage by Sideni somewhat scummy. Sideni claims a weak command of english multiple times, but is still comfortable bandwagoning mkfuba's argument with a semantic argument. As i said last game, scum hate making their own cases, and Sideni's is pretty fluffy. FOS Sideni But later you claim: On August 10 2012 07:59 Lvdr wrote: I wasn't accusing Sideni of bandwaggoning. Agreeing with mkfuba's case is not what I found suspicious. The fact that it is directed against me is irrelevant. It was the additional case Sideni provided. How does changing the order in any way change whether there was a scum tell or not? Whether I happened to say town or mafia first I think the suspicion would have been similar. Therefore, Sideni's addition reads as quite fluffy to me. I understand getting hot under the collar when stuff is leveled against you and then wanting to claim the moral high-road after the fact, but you did accuse him of band-wagoning. I tend to agree with you that his logic wasn't incredibly well thought-out. At least he did retract the analogy that made me want to smash some oranges and grapefruits (referring to: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#526) | ||
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On August 10 2012 09:19 Sideni wrote: Alright sir, I need some explanation from yourself ... You tell me in that post that a good town player would avoid confusion (that's why I cut on what I say sometimes). Although, in a post before, you're telling me that I shouldn't be afraid to say what I think... You're not coherent in your sayings. (I know that I can be incoherent as well, but that's why I excuse myself and that I explain my thoughts) I made a mistake in my logic and I thought it would be great to assume that it's my fault and to explain it instead of just saying "nevermind, I made a mistake"... As I already said, you're not coherent in your sayings about what you want me to do and it makes you suspicious to my eyes. @Sideni I think he's trying to say don't be afraid to respond cogently before quickly. If you find yourself knee deep into an analogy that is going nowhere and it occupied 45min to an hour of your time, I'd be totally fine with you stymying the retort bandwagon by throwing down a quick post "Responding to X's post on such-and-such but it's taking some time... please stand by." That's more valuable to me than having to read a post you've already 85% redacted or nullified. @Dandel am I clear in understanding your statement? | ||
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If I had to vote now, it'd be Lvdr. LoD Sideni @Sideni: (that's for Look of Disapproval by the by) Caaaaaaalm down! Deep cleansing breath. I'm here for the vote and beyond... cogitating thoughts... | ||
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On August 11 2012 07:14 Lvdr wrote: Can we get some reasoning? You may sir. First to answer Hapa's question about my stance re: Sideni and to generally state my current stance in the game. Firstly, I wasn't completely turned off by the case Sid made here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=31#606. Right now the only impression I get from him is an emotional person who has invested a lot into a game and is having trouble distancing himself. He just strikes of floundering fish more than anything else. And truth be told, I kinda feel for his emotional gut reaction. I'm am not in the least bit worried about his mistaking my marriage post. I think to a certain extent he's being exploited. Re: my stance in the game. I haven't been goaded or outed as yet. That's not to say I couldn't be. When I was getting hot under the collar and messed up somebody's previous post only Hapa brought me to task. I could've been played with and tested, but he chose to back down when I made every effort to phrase what I was thinking as clearly as possible. Hapa got fellow townie points from me in a big way at that juncture. Just full disclosure, as that experience has shaped how I see other posts at this time. On to the rationale for my FoS's and vote pref... | ||
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Sorry for the one-liner. | ||
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On August 11 2012 07:35 Lvdr wrote: Oh god Kronen thinks Sideni's case was good. I really need my own face brick... Quick rebuttal. I didn't say I thought it was good. I did however change my approach to looking at the proceeding because of it. So much of the early interchange was based off of mkfuba's case. It was the only piece of substance written at that time. His choice of looking at how people reacted or rebutted it is interesting. That being said he grasped too much at straws and he suppositions were unfounded. In the future however I'm looking at the foundation of what he did there. What I fear from the lynching happening tonight is that we won't learn anything from it. GK will have my vote for tonight for two reasons 1) I have no concrete evidence upon which to draw correlations from other people's lynching, 2)he's been the most inactive yet trolly... but I fear a vote for him will turn over less than votes for others. ##vote GoodKarma | ||
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I'm definitely interested to see who's still standing after tonight. Hope the cop doesn't get the ax, because that could be very useful. Kill me before the cop you two remaining scourge!! Honestly, I can't help but think we fucking dodged a bullet there. It could've been a genius play by Hapa to sell an inactive leader down the river to cement your position at top of the town heap, but I doubt it. RE: my performance. I'll try to step up in the ensuing day... I didn't offer much in terms of analysis persay and I aim to correct that. | ||
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Moment of silence for brownies...  | ||
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