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"Harass player X" seems kind of vague, does it mean "go against him with all you can and get him lynched" or "attack him a little bit but don't let a wagon form against him, just put him under your aim"? Damn, this will be a clusterfuck. I guess scum can't order something like "Tell Player X "You are a ballet dancer!", that way when they see someone posting "You are a ballet dancer!" they identified their subordinates, right? | ||
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Occupy TL Mafia! Those CEOs must fall! | ||
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On July 10 2012 15:19 Ver wrote: Do whatever you want pregame but remember once the game begins the bureaucracy will strike down your spam! Sorry, but you need to make some papers and get the signature of the majority of the players playing this game, plus all hosts/co-host with their approval of your spam policy before you are allowed to strike down spam. After that, you need to go over to mafiascum.net and other mafia sites, get into a meeting with their administrators to determine the current spam regulations applied universally to all mafia games. After that's done, you have to meet with the administrator of TL, give him the signed paper with all the signatures from players/hosts, and get him to sign a form indicating that they allow you to strike down spam in this site. After that, you need to go back and meet all other mafia sites' administrators, give them this signature and get them to sign a new form giving you permission to enforce their new spam policy in your games. After that's done, you need to come here again, wait 2 weeks for all proceedings to resolve, and meet with the TL administrator and get him to agree for you to use the spam policy on this particular game ("Bureaucracy Mafia"). After that's done, you need to meet in person with Foolishness and those other guys so they can agree on you enforcing the spam policy in a game that follows the Ban List. If they disagree, you need to go meet the TL administrator again and get him to overrule their disagreement so you can enforce the spam policy. If he's on vacation you need to meet with the administrators of the other mafia sites so they can overrule it; however you need to wait 1 month so they have their schedule free to do so. After this matter is resolved, then you are free to strike down spam once this game begins  (following the universal rules of spam-strikedown of course) | ||
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You need agreement from the majority of players to do that  | ||
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On July 12 2012 03:20 Blazinghand wrote: You know what's funny, it sounds like this is a really dumb mistake, but it's super super easy to do by accident. Like, amazingly easy. If I were gonna smurf, I'd log into TL with the smurf account on a different browser (chrome, or firefox, or something) and ONLY use that browser for playing mafia, so I wouldn't have to deal with who's logged in and who's logged out-- chrome for the smurf, firefox for blazinghand. or something. Well...I'm just always logged in as the smurf and that's it >_> I guess that wouldn't work if I'm playing another game with my real account though | ||
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On July 13 2012 09:27 Probulous wrote: I be sad.. There is no Ace There is no Radfield There is no Palmar  There's the chance Q-Berts-dude is one of them (at least not Palmar....unless he's playing twice with 2 different accounts...? >_> <_< ) | ||
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On July 15 2012 10:12 Zealos wrote: If the CEO dies how does the mafia team carry out hits? Then there'll be like a freaking revolution man The proletariat will rise against the high class, and like, like like man, man dude the dudes in black will try to oppress the dudes fighting the dudes, like yeah | ||
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Holy shit I've read the voting thread and its chaotic as fuck. I'll deal with the ICBINT Mafia game and then come back to this one. Fuck I thought this would start after one of the 2 games I'm playing would end >_> | ||
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I just skimmed these last few pages and for first impressions I have to say Foolishness post seems quite scummy since he doesn't usually start playing like that as town (that was his 1st post right?) I don't know wtf is going on with that nuke. Don't know what's up with Kurumi/BH since I didn't read, but MZ's initial posts I skimmed from the first pages and so seemed too passive indeed, although I don't know if he'd be that "obvious" as scum (I remember Liar Game where he started acting anti-town and scummy all of a sudden at one point, like in D2 or D3 so he could easily do the same here). Anyways if there are any other 1st impressions you guys want from me I'll try and post before I leave (in like 30 minutes or so), but I wont' have time to read the thread before I leave (I'll be back in 4-5 hours I think, but even then I'll have to check the other 2 games I'm in that are in a more advanced state and require more care and effort than this one that's just a D1 clusterfuck from what I've skimmed). | ||
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Could Kurumi have used his nuke without claiming he used it? I didn't see the "nuke post" saying "Kurumi launched a nuke" This mass vote-swing towards Kurumi is suspicious as fuck (although I haven't read the thread so there may be something else to it >_> ) | ||
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Damn this game is weird as hell. It should take me some time to read everything though, hopefully I can do it in 1-2 hours | ||
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Wait, Palmar tried to follow RL in iGrok's game yes (austin mentioned this I think)....but he was scum that game I'm so fucking surprised at Mattchew and Foolishness that they assumed Palmar was town in that game and posted his RL thing with good intentions in mind...when he didn't.....because he was scum. I'm more surprised at Mattchew for using it as evidence to shit on Katina. I would have thought a townie would check something twice if they'll use it as evidence someone else is scum. I'll recheck Mattchew tomorrow, but I see him not caring about shit and posting sporadically, plus his first attack on Katina screamed of "picking an easy target". About Palmar himself, he did that RL thing in iGrok's game and he was scum. I don't see him doing shit this game, it's likely he's scum as well. However I don't know if he'd risk using his RL site thing 2 times in a row as scum both times, it seems obvious to me that someone would notice the similarity (I'm baffled how nobody noticed it to be honest, specially people that played in that game too, like VE and MZ). I wouldn't mind lynching him, he's not doing shit and that seems to be his scum meta these days. About Foolishness/syllogism I can't shake that feeling they are both scum. I've read syllogism posts and I did get that feeling he's just trying to appear pro-town while not contributing himself. Him accusing Prob for making that post 1 minute into D1 seems so fake. I don't think a town syllo would actually believe that or accuse him like he did without either changing his mind or following up on it He seemed pretty aggressive against Meapak, Katina and others, but just in an "accusatory" tone of his post that doesn't help town at all but helps create more confusion by casting suspicion on many people. I think he's scum since I didn't see syllo act like this in Liar Game. He was more intent on getting information from people, not shit on people, cast suspicion and not try to shit things up. The thing is that I get the feeling Foolishness is scum too :/ I didn't see the conviction from him in that 1st post of his. He was just babbling about lots of people in 1 or 2 sentences casting doubt all around without explaining himself one single bit. Although I kind of agree with his case on syllo, although he spends too much time focusing on "giving advice" when he hasn't done much like that in this game and has more incriminating stuff. The way he posts is not usual town Foo' either, where he tries to make sense of stuff and actually lead town. Also I would have thought Foolishness had read iGrok's game, or at least known Palmar was scum there. About laya: I don't think laya was casting doubt on the claim but rather trying to get an answer from sandro (on why he wasted his ability). I don't get why some people think killing him should be a priority over people like syllo/FOolishness or even Palmar and stuff. Now that I'm at it: ##Vote: Syllogism On July 17 2012 11:20 Blazinghand wrote: WBG, after some thought, I agree with you. Although syllogism strikes me as scummy, Layabout is irredeemably so. Examining his filter (link) I cannot in good conscience NOT vote him. This is a big game and he's trying to skate by. Syllogism's posting history, while unfavorably comparable with the droppings of a flock of diuretic parrots, greatly outdoes Layabout's simply on strength of its existene. Layabout is trying to skate by. We can't let that happen. ##unvote ##vote: layabout Wait you come out of lurking to jump on a wagon on a guy with 2 votes that aren't even that scummy to begin with? Also BH, you said that you blocked Chezinu's "nuke" because he was targeting it at you...but why didn't you try to do anything when you figured out Kurumi was scum? Why didn't you block his nuke there or tried to tell town about it to consider it or something? Here: On July 17 2012 07:32 Blazinghand wrote: welp ##unvote ##vote: Kurumi Tomorrow we lynch Syllo But fuck it's too late, I'll read your filter tomorrow. About Kurumi: Wow it doesn't get any easier than this, lol I really should have read the thread before commenting before  (I thought the nuke was done in PM or something and thought Kurumi claimed he used the nuke himself) The only weird thing that could happen is sandro being CEO or Manager and Kurumi being his actual minion/Manager (most likely Manager->Minion). In that case the CEO is either him or knows him so he won't be killed by scum (even if other minions want to kill him). He could live for pretty long under "confirmed town" status. It's unlikely though, I've read his posts and he doesn't seem like scum, since he's trying to "break the setup" like he does as town. On July 17 2012 06:52 Kurumi wrote: I will say it again: If I were mafia, when I got this message there should be someone crumbing those words earlier. I was the first person to do that. Why would a Director/CEO NOT do that? Meh. Ehmm..you mean if you and sandro were mafia right? If you are mafia and sandro is town and he tricked you into outing yourself and you fell for it there's no contradiction... For fucks sake that took me like 3 hours, fucking hell. | ||
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About Hiro: I've read his filter and he seemed to be pretty active, and his reactions seemed legit. I wouldn't want him lynched at all today, he's likely town. I've reread BH's filter and he's too aggressive and "in-your-face", I don't really see him acting like this as scum. The thing that bothers me is how he changes his vote so much and disregards his previous reads. Like he thought syllo was scum enough to kill then immediately voted laya just because "he was useless". BH, what about now? Do you still want to lynch laya? @Mattchew: What do you think of Katina now? Do you still think she's scum? How do you respond to me pointing out Palmar posted the RL thing as scum? Does it change your read on Katina or Palmar? I would have thought you'd not instantly jump on someone based on that RL thing without checking it out at first. I don't really see you caring about the game right now either. You think Katina is scum yet you are just asking irrelevant questions and posting one-liners. Fuck, Mattchew you act like this every game and I don't know if you do it on purpose at times. Fuck, syllogism makes sense about Foolishness, I don't know if I was wrong about him before or this is him "finding other scum for us" like wbg said, but damn, maybe lynching syllo is not a good choice, I think lynching Foo' today would be better. On July 17 2012 15:47 Foolishness wrote: And also, doesn't blazinghand try to do the whole, "I'm going to try to post like a sane person and make sure all my sentences make complete sense" thing when he's mafia? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember seeing that game where he was 3rd party and he was so obviously not town cause he was posting paragraphs of babble trying to look normal and helpful. This is the kind of post I don't see town Foo' doing at all. He just mentions BH and adds some wishy-washy stuff about how he acted like this as 3rd party and concludes nothing at all. Foo' defending Palmar when Palmar was acting like a dick by saying things like "we can figure him out as scum by D3 if he has less than 6 pages of filter" is so stupid I can't believe a town Foo' would say that. I've posted about his earlier posts before. ##Unvote: syllogism ##Vote: Foolishness @WBG: What would you think of lynching Foolishness today? I've already posted why he's not acting like town at all, and to be honest those things he said about Palmar (that we should wait until D3 to see if Palmar is scum...wtf?) are senseless and I don't think a town Foo' would say them at all. What do you guys think of Foolishness? @laya: Your first posts weren't exactly "scummy" but you doing nothing at all is not helpful for town at all. What do you think of syllo and Foo? Thoughts about Mattchew would be welcomed as well. I haven't read MZ, GGQ, austin, and other's but I will after I come home in a few hours. | ||
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On July 18 2012 04:28 supersoft wrote: we are not lynching veterans today. Wait at least for night 1 and see who's left by then. Why not? As far as I know scum have only 1 KP, so a lot of veterans will be "left" by D2, specially the scummy ones that even if town scum wouldn't kill (fearing they are their buddies). On July 18 2012 04:32 Mattchew wrote: I actually read that and meant to respond, but forgot to put it in the thread. Firstly I read the post as if it was written in postgame discussion which was a dumb assumption but I don't think it changes its meaning I don't think his alignment had anything to do with his thoughts on Random Lynching in that game. I mean ace literally said in the next post that he completely agreed with Palmar about Random lynching and Ace was town. I don't think was a trick tried by Palmar or anything like that in either game. Theres a decent chance at that point he had not even read his role PM (a. I know he has done this before and b. he didn't post in the scum qt till way later) I am trying to care about the game but there is so much E-Penis measuring going on and unexplained reads that I find all of this pretty hard to follow, and when I ask people to elaborate, I am very much ignored Right now, I believe Kurumi to be scum and nuked cause when I tried to launch a nuke it didn't go off I believe Katina, MZ and Rastaban to all be very suspicous and scummy. Hence my poking and prodding at people about them. So what do you think of Palmar, not taking into account his Random Lynch proposal? On July 18 2012 04:44 austinmcc wrote: I have no name cache here, that's fine. But read this with an open mind. Seriously read point (1). Consider whether it makes sense. (1) Sandroba's role is way, way, way too powerful Not a single person here knows how sandroba's power works. Mafia, town, 5th party, whatever. Nobody is curious? Nobody is thinking, jeez, in a game where mafia cannot communicate except through 2 messages per day cycle, 2 messages per night cycle, and there are NINE of them. A game where they might lynch each other, NK each other, use powers on each other. Nobody is going, holy balls, the ability to SEND FAKE MESSAGES is an incredibly, incredibly powerful role? Think about it. The way sandroba used it, he's a cop. You ask someone to do something, if they do, they must have assumed it was from a mafia higher-up. So if they obey, they're mafia, you got this game's equivalent of a red check. Moreover, you're a cop that cannot be affected by any kind of framing power. Normal cops can be balanced out by gfs, millers, frames. A red check from a normal cop may or may not indicate scum. Saying "Hey use these 3 phrases in your next post to identify yourself" CANNOT be balanced by any mechanic at all. If they obey a message they received, when they had no idea anyone other than mafia could send messages, they must be mafia. Name a single other explanation, because when kurumi tried to give one, it sounded dumb and everyone agreed it sounded dumb. No. If a scum that's not CEO received his order first then sandro's message 2nd, he'd instantly figure out something is wrong, and it would be likely he'd figure out the 2nd message was bogus and not sent by his supervisor. If the scum is the CEO then he knows it's bogus. I think "Use these phrases to identify your partners" thing is not allowed in those mafia communications since it outs their mafia members so the hosts would censor it, meaning even if everything happened according to sandro's plan scum may just not believe that message would get by that censor. It's not that powerful if scum are smart and can easily figure out the bogus message; at least in this case (not if sandro had made a more "subtle" message). I don't really think his outburst here is "pushing a mafia agenda" and makes him scum alone, I'll need to read his filter first. It seems Foo' or syllo won't get lynched though. Austin and Blazinghand are the only choices? I don't really like any of them to lynch today. | ||
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