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hey toad was alignment generated randomly or not? I got my first pick. | ||
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I volunteer to sit out trying to get an item today - I will not be sending in an item drop placement. | ||
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On July 02 2012 17:53 kingdedede wrote: Hi fellow Nintendo-citizens! We are Yoshi! We talked it over and it seemed best to just come straight out and roleclaim, because bus drivers can be pretty damned destructive and chaotic if used badly. However, they can also be awesome. We will use it as an interesting twisted medic, meaning we will drive from someone we read as town to someone we read as scum! This obviously works better when scum doesn't know beforehand who is being protected and targeted, so we won't announce our actions beforehand, but after the night is over we will say exactly what we did, and why. We feel a mass claim would be a pretty good idea now in any case. That way scum roleblockers can't hide (or can be caught if scum lies about their role/target) and everybody can be held accountable for their actions. More advantages of mass claim: it makes it so that if there's a Mario we can have them be randomized separately, then randomize everybody else: sucks if you get stuck with a Mario, but at least you don't take damage AND lose the item as you would using Hiro's completely random generation (which I think is a good idea). Ensures optimal item distribution and minimizes random damage! /Artanis and Acro Just to be clear - yoshi was your first choice? ___________ Also I will plug my idea one more time since it got smushed between two mod-posts: two people sit out until six people are left (w/ regard to the item thing). We rotate who sits out. I'm sitting out today, still need one more. Then everyone else can have their own area. | ||
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I don't particularly understand this pick for other people thing... I think I'm just going to stand in the middle if that's cool with everyone. | ||
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____________ random hypothesis: toad picked alignments after character select so that he could guarantee a balanced game (aka he did not do it randomly). otherwise I don't see why we picked characters first and couldn't talk and all that which was half the fun (and half the information) in pick your power. Therefore I hypothesize that cephiro and mister saturn are not both mafia, because that sounds kind of broken. The other possible configurations sound reasonable though. | ||
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On July 03 2012 04:26 iGrok wrote: I can confirm that your hypothesis is correct because thats how you run SSB64 So what would you do as host in this situation - give both samus to town or split them? I can't figure out if toad thought about the likelihood that grush would claim not getting his first pick and therefore outing both of them (which complicates the analysis). | ||
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Beyond that point I think Saturn/hiropro is acting the scummiest. To reiterate/expand: 1) Read how he participated in the Risen v iGrok debate. He was there but he wasn't in-your-face there (as cephiro was). He pushed Risen a bit but also threw in heaps of questions all over the place. 2) Pointing out every little thing that could be scummy. He did this with grush just recently and I think once before that I can't remember. Bit of a weak scumtell. 3) Being a bit of an opportunistic voter. Weakest evidence for sure but he hopped on iGrok, then hopped off rather quickly. 4) Even weaker but he has made a few points that hint at thinking from a scum POV, where he talks about the optimal play for scum etc in the beginning. My only big problem with saturn being scum is that I can't figure out who his partner would be. I thought it was iGrok until the post-derp spat and it became clear iGrok picked him up and whatnot (which makes no sense from a scum point of view). In any event ##vote: Mister Saturn ________________ @acro I'm pretty sure iGrok wants to lynch me just to figure out what my role is (same as he would for grush - dunno why he doesn't want to lynch risen for that reason though. or homerunbat). He said not to vote for him today presumably because then we would also be doing 1.5kp to saturn (so he said to wait for tomorrow so he could pick someone else up). Don't know why he wouldn't want the extra damage on saturn though. | ||
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On July 04 2012 00:56 HiroPro wrote: Yo, dedede, I'll sheep you to victory, but I'll still shoot iGrok. I'm too mad at to think properly at this point. It's better that we both die, cause at this point's it's screwing all my reads. talismania, your case is bad. You first point is not even true lol; I wasn't pushing Risen at all. I was trying to figure out Risen's twisted logic. Asking questions has nothing to do with alignment. Your other points are all weak, weak, weak. Incidentally, you guys really shouldn't try to use the game mechanics to scumhunt. You probably won't believe me until I die. But w/e, you should listen to me then. For one thing, you have no idea how Toad thinks or has planned, second Toad already screwed up badly in the setup phase (I can't really talk about it any further than that). The role-alignment stuff is fairly worthless. Also, dedede, HomerunBat's recent posts really were not good lol. s0lstice's giant post has 2 town reads (meaningless), a lurker lynch, useless stuff about bus drivers, and then he calls me scum based on the fact that I want to kill iGrok (even though he later admits that iGrok's behavior "doesn't look good"). ShiaoPi's last post is even more hilarious lol. Not only is it just a rephrasing of what dedede said in his post (look at page 16, it's hilarious), but it also ignores the reason that I voted for him (hint: it wasn't because he defended iGrok). - Hiro Oh you can't tease me with the "toad screwed up in the setup phase already" thing like that! What did he do? Gives us a hint - did he get your pick wrong? Did he get your numbers wrong? Can't see what else it would be unless you're just mad about when iGrok was allowed to pick you up but that doesn't seem setup-related. Btw I'm not saying I can read toad's mind. I've played scum with him, town with him, and scum against town with him and I have some flavor for how he thinks but not enough to predict what he'd do as a host of course. I'm more saying that if you feel that this game was done nonrandomly, which I do, and you knew my role, which I do, and the fact that I'm town it makes it really strange to put both Samuses on the town team as well. It's also unlikely that they are both scum. No matter who the host is, if the host is picking alignments nonrandomly that would be true. I dunno. I still think Hiro's behavior is actually more indicative of his alignment than this stuff. | ||
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Is Mister Saturn allowed to tell us what the wrong character was? Theoretically, he could assume that it was another character belonging to someone else in the game, and thus could have an information advantage no one else had | ||
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On July 02 2012 10:56 grush57 wrote: My first pick was Samus, didn't get him. On July 02 2012 11:09 iGrok wrote: Interesting, thanks What he means is "Ah, Mister Saturn and Cephiro are both Samus." On July 03 2012 07:44 iGrok wrote: I can't tell my reasoning on saturn until tomorrow. Top picks for lynch are ##Vote: Talisman "I wonder what talismania's role is." On July 03 2012 08:01 iGrok wrote: The same reasoning the I do everything for. 2nd choice is grush, but we'll see what happens there. "I'm also curious about what grush's role is, and he's being a lurker." On July 04 2012 00:00 iGrok wrote: Thanks for posting Tali. I don't want to lynch Saturn because I'm waiting for something. ##Vote grush7 or whatever "Thanks for letting me know that your role is one of two possibilities, tali. I don't want to lynch saturn because I want to see who takes kp at night from scum, and if we lynch him and I'm wrong about him being scum, scum can just kill him and we don't learn anything. Voting grush because he's worthless and I want to see his role." | ||
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