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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
NMM XVII should be finishing soon. If I were to become a replacement, would you have to boot me from the Obs QT? I'd be ok with that. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
Fuck, Release is already on to me. My Night 0 case on Release: OMGUS, OMGUS, OMGUS etc. Oh, and he makes my life hell when I'm scum  Lynch him first please. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
Let's hunt some scum. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
First up is Vivax. Just take a look at some of these posts. Esspen voted for hopeless when rofl was set to lynch, as already mentioned. If one of them is scum, the other most likely is, too. With the current information available, I would go for one of them. Also remember that posting cases during the night can make you a target for scum. Speaking of it, I think I'm the designed nightkill simply cause noone suspected me yet. Townies who are believed to be townies are dangerous for scum, and I didn't see any blue role vibes for them to use yet, so they don't have many alternatives. He first broaches the topic of lynching for information. Regarding JingleHell vs Esspen: I think lynching Jinglehell would give us more information. Esspen might very well just be a sloppy player. But I prefer a Keirathi lynch cause of the scummy behavior and the low attention on him right now. He continues with the idea of lynching for information. Also he is for a lynch of Keirathi because Keirathi doesn't have a lot of attention on him right now. JieXian, you posted this earlier. Don't you support the gain of information from a lynch of either Esspen or the roflewaffle55 replacement? Right now two are pushing a case against me, one of them might be scum, and you prefer to suspect Bio. While I don't trust Bio entirely cause of Release's connection to him and his following death, it would be nice if town could focus and handle single cases instead of making so many at once, and atm my case and the Esspen vs rofl one are unsolved and need feedback. Lynching for information... again!!! Let me outline the motivations for town. Town wants to lynch scum. That's it. Scum want to entice town not to lynch them so they throw out tempting points such as to lynch "for information" or "to gain a clearer picture of the town." These are not town motives for a lynch. These are really scummy. Further points against him: - He's been extremely wishy-washy with his reads, especially in regards to Esspen. Notice how lately he's switched to full on attacking Esspen, when before he had posted this. What's the matter? You wanna say that the lynch all lurkers policy is bad? If they're gonna be replaced/modkilled, then yes. But else, it's a policy that doesn't allow people to sit back, be it lazy townies or passive scum. I still am insecure regarding you and Esspen After all you just entered the game, so I went on with scumhunting, and Keirathi is on the list for scummy behavior right now. You aren't ony my list cause of OMGUS, i suspected roflwaffle55/you before you even posted against me. It seems like he's just throwing suspicion out there when it's useful for him to deflect pressure. - In the last game I played with Vivax (NMM XV, he was town) he posted his reads early and often. He had a confidence in his reads on players that almost bordered on foolishness. This game most of his reads have been extremely wishy-washy. That's all the time I have right now. I'll post my opinions on BioSC when I get the time. For now I think the case on Vivax is a pretty slam-dunk case and I will support it. If things go my way I would like to lynch Vivax this day cycle, BioSC the next, and continue the hunt for the 3rd and final scummy player later. I'll be voting Vivax today. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
This + Show Spoiler + Further points against him: - He's been extremely wishy-washy with his reads, especially in regards to Esspen. Notice how lately he's switched to full on attacking Esspen, when before he had posted this. What's the matter? You wanna say that the lynch all lurkers policy is bad? If they're gonna be replaced/modkilled, then yes. It seems like he's just throwing suspicion out there when it's useful for him to deflect pressure. - In the last game I played with Vivax (NMM XV, he was town) he posted his reads early and often. He had a confidence in his reads on players that almost bordered on foolishness. This game most of his reads have been extremely wishy-washy. That's all the time I have right now. I'll post my opinions on BioSC when I get the time. For now I think the case on Vivax is a pretty slam-dunk case and I will support it. If things go my way I would like to lynch Vivax this day cycle, BioSC the next, and continue the hunt for the 3rd and final scummy player later. I'll be voting Vivax today. Further points against him: - He's been extremely wishy-washy with his reads, especially in regards to Esspen. Notice how lately he's switched to full on attacking Esspen, when before he had posted this. It seems like he's just throwing suspicion out there when it's useful for him to deflect pressure. - In the last game I played with Vivax (NMM XV, he was town) he posted his reads early and often. He had a confidence in his reads on players that almost bordered on foolishness. This game most of his reads have been extremely wishy-washy. That's all the time I have right now. I'll post my opinions on BioSC when I get the time. For now I think the case on Vivax is a pretty slam-dunk case and I will support it. If things go my way I would like to lynch Vivax this day cycle, BioSC the next, and continue the hunt for the 3rd and final scummy player later. I'll be voting Vivax today. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
---snip The reason why i vote for Esspen and not for JingleHell is that, Esspen's posts overall are just confusing, not really helpful, and even if all my suspicions on them were wrong and they really would be townies, he seems the better guy to lose of them. Not good reasoning. We're here to lynch scum, not confusing/suboptimal players. dNa's reasoning reeks of scumminess. I think we just found our last scum guys. My plan is we lynch Vivax today, BioSC tomorrow, and dNa the next, though I really don't care about the order. Any takers? Another scummy point for Vivax: - He's been pretty content to sit back and just pressure lurkers. This is another deviation from his town play in NMM XV. I'd imagine a town Vivax would put a bit more effort into cases against active players. Pushing for a lurker lynch is a really non-confrontational move. Tralalala, obvious scum is obvious. Since Esspen has come under heavy fire, here's a town point in his favor. In case Vivax (i know i said i believe both BioSC and Vivax are scums, but more people seem to dislike Vivax) won't seem to get lynched this day I have two propositions: 1: you lynch me and if I turn out to be townie, you lynch Vivax 2: you lynch Vivax and if he turns out to be townie, you lynch me He's either making a ballsy scum move, or this is extremely pro-town. Offering to take the lynch in order to confirm that your reads are made in good faith isn't a move most scum would think of IMO. If the assumptions I've made on our scumteam are wrong, then I'll rethink taking Esspen up on his offer. I've got to take a rather long trip, my case on BioSC will have to wait for a little while. I'm feeling pretty good about this game | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
There is one thing I did that is pretty failsafe proof of my townie status. I'll post it in the second half of day 2. If you think you are a good townie, then you should have found it already. At least now town will know that there is at least one scum jumping on the bandwagon against me, and scum might even have started it. There is no such thing as failsafe proof in Mafia. The fact that Vivax is waiting to post his proof is HUGE evidence against him. Town needs as much time to process information as possible because we're dealing with a lack of information. It's pretty clear that we're set on lynching Vivax today so any information he can give us would help and yet he waits. The fact that he's waiting to post (I'm guessing a breadcrumb/blue claim) is really unhelpful to town. I think he's waiting so that town doesn't have enough time to process his "huge reveal" and might knee-jerk a voteswitch off of him. @ Jinglehell What do you think of dNa's reasoning for his Esspen vote? Pretty scummy right? | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
How does anyone have a read on rofls/JingleHell? roflwaffles had to replace himself out, so he really was busy. This is neither evidence for or against JingleHell. The case against him is bullshit. Just calling him how I see it. The only thing Esspen has been guilty of in my eyes is being a weak/confusing player. In no way does that make him scum, but it does make him a good target for scum to tunnel. That is why Vivax is scummy. How do people not see that Vivax's "lynching for information" is one of the biggest scumtells in the book? I don't believe his DT claim, not for a second. His play has been incredibly scummy and I will not stop pressuring him until he is lynched. @ Vivax I was never in the Obs QT. Being a replacement I was not allowed in. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
Please dude. Vote for Vivax. Here's why I think JingleHell isn't scum. Roflwaffles was attacked almost entirely for lurking D1. He was actually busy, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten himself replaced. Ever since JingleHell got into the thread he's been posting reads with confidence. He's been contributing. He's been doing everything you could ask of a town player. We are holding roflwaffles play against JingleHell, even though roflwaffles was definitely busy. This case is complete shit. It holds no water. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
I haven't had much time to put into this game. I should have more during the night cycle. I'll be much more active then. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
He switched his vote right before the lynch. It didn't do anything considering Esspen had voted 7 minutes prior. The fact that he is so self-aware of this "proof" is evidence against him IMO. I think he just wanted to make a bold play as proof of his townieness, but he's not. @ Vivax I really hope you're scum, because if you really are DT your play has been terrible. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
 Sorry I wasn't able to contribute more. GL Town! | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
If Vivax hadn't DT claimed and just played standard VT, Bio was next on my list and I would have put more effort into hunting him. I think a Bio lynch D2 could have won us the game considering how much more information a scum lynch gives the town. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
On July 03 2012 12:22 JingleHell wrote: We actually thought you were DT, with a check on me. That's why you got the bullet. Since we knew I would show green to a check, we figured that's why you were so vehemently on my side during D2's wreck. I just didn't think much of the case against you. Roflwaffles hadn't been very active and you came into the thread with an opinion I agreed with. Vivax's "lynching for information" posts seemed really scummy to me and his case against you felt like OMGUS. Kudos to you for entering the game with a bit of a fire under your belly. It made you look really townie and it threw off my reads. | ||
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