What happens in the unlikely event that we run out of poisons? Do we get to play without or is it refreshed?

Edit: Nvm I'm thinking epic medic play but it makes no sense.

slOosh

3291 Posts

May 30 2012 03:15 GMT

#52

On May 30 2012 11:52 Zephirdd wrote:
K lets do this.

first of all, pick Godfather or Framer as the mafia role. Framer is 2-shot so its hard to be used effectively, as well as forces mafia to pick DT roles for us. Godfather only works on one player and forces a tracker pick. IMO framer is the weaker by a thin margin.

also, pick majority+1 for poison IMO. Its up to discussion, but I believe that is the weakest of the poisons forday 1.

now I'll go to sleep.

I want to discuss this. At first it seemed like a novel idea that had good merits - pick to force scum to choose for us. However, if they have godfather, tracker is a role we don't want, as they can just send their kills through the gf and tracker can only track the other blue maybe.

Roleblocker is an interesting that shouldn't be immediately dismissed in my opinion. If someone is a strong blue, why wouldn't you immediately shoot them?

As for the poisons, I'm in general consensus with HiroPro that you can kind of allot them according to game phase (early, mid, late) to reduce the damage each poison costs.

slOosh

3291 Posts

May 30 2012 03:24 GMT

#56

WBG could you explain how we should approach the use of the mayoral lynch poison when/should we use it?

slOosh

3291 Posts

May 30 2012 03:48 GMT

#58

The majority + 1 can be considered the "no-poison" option, as right now majority is defined #players/2 rounded up, opposed to the usual (or at least what I'm used to) #players /2 + 1. We want to reduce the total damage for the poisons, not just pick the least damaging for each day, since as WBG has pointed out, some poisons get stronger as the days go on and picking them early on to avoid having to use them later on is a viable strategy.

I'm thinking about the lynch-lock poison. As long as people are aware the poison is in effect, and we use FOS for D1 to denote intent, and the additional benefit of the selection phase discussions will help avoid the dangers of the poison, which I think gets stronger over time with the potential of dangerous hammers (basically a killer at lylo as one wrong vote = lose).

slOosh

3291 Posts

May 30 2012 04:04 GMT

#60

I like that reasoning HiroPro, but it makes the assumption that we will be split between 2 candidates. No doubt that mafia will play to the poison, adopting a playstyle that abuses said poisons for their advantage. The secret hidden vote poison is most powerful when there are multiple suspects / lynch candidates, and weakest when the town as a total is consolidated and not near lylo.

I'm inclined to think that D1 is the easiest day to fissure the town and bring up multiple lynch suspects and split votes, and potentially drive the fear of no-lynch into guide town into a mislynch. It will probably be a weaker poison on D2 where it is more difficult to bring up serious lynch candidates, opposed to D1 when bringing up anyone is all cool and no reason for suspicion.

Right now it is even number, and unless we get a medic prot (which is great), then with one lynch and one night kill we will have even number D2. Thoughts on the lynch lock?

slOosh

3291 Posts

May 30 2012 16:38 GMT

#105

Radfield, I don't see any benefits of discussing why roleblocker is the weakest role after we choose it - your whole point of validating the cop checks etc. takes into account that even if mafia knew that they would receive roleblocker, we would still get good PRs. So mafia don't benefit from the discussion and town does - so why don't you want to talk about it?

slOosh

3291 Posts

May 30 2012 16:49 GMT

#106

And Kurumi, your case is based on two points
1) Roleblocker is objectively the best role for mafia
2) Radfield knows this and is pushing it regardless (i.e. with mafia agenda).

Can you elaborate on these two points?

slOosh

3291 Posts

May 30 2012 17:11 GMT

#109

As long as you stick to one encryption (before the selection phase is over of course), shouldn't be a problem. Additionally, I think posting your encryption should happen as late as possible (send in your vote whenever) - otherwise scum might glean what you have picked according to the current thought in thread.

slOosh

3291 Posts

May 30 2012 19:56 GMT

#119

On May 31 2012 04:19 Toadesstern wrote:
I think the instant majority poison does us no damage at all. We're going to have a hard time getting a majority anyways. At least that'y the way the most recent games played out.
It's not like mafia will hop in there "olol let's hammer" and get 3 votes on the same guy lynching a townie.
It would need coordination because we'd want to know who people are willing to vote for before actually voting to ensure we don't end the cycle early.
If we can manage that coordination that poison looks the weakest d1 to me.
But it's kinda risky if people lack the patience / coordination to talk things through before voting.

That being said I'm not going to vote the majority +1 poison because as mentioned I think we're already going to have a hard time getting a majority anyways.
The +1 vote for mafia poison seems okay and there's really not a lot that could go wrong like that and it might be dangerous later in the game.

So yeah I'm willing to vote those two and as I'm apparently the only one that thinks the instant majority thing is not dangerous on d1 it's going to be the +1 vote for mafia poison.

If we have a hard time getting a majority then how is giving mafia +1 vote poison a good idea?

slOosh

3291 Posts

May 30 2012 19:58 GMT

#120

I'm voting the majority +1 for D1, because the reasonings behind it are better than any other put forth thus far.
##Vote: 6 (Majority + 1 is required for a successful lynch)

slOosh

3291 Posts

May 30 2012 20:40 GMT

#128

On May 29 2012 08:17 Bluelightz wrote:

Show nested quote +

Scum vote for towns role and vice versa

You already got an answer prplhz. What are your current thoughts for today?

slOosh

3291 Posts

May 30 2012 22:55 GMT

#142

My mafia role PM encryption
+ Show Spoiler +

ZZZZZ XXJTH KKXJL XFJBP FSOJH UJIOT BLWKH AXLFN BQPXQ LFELT VUJHI
RXQWC KPFOV ONBAR MLJAI IAUJW NUOTW JQJVE FRMBF CQBAX LJHWR XCTUW
EAFGF WSFEO CAQLG EFBKC CLMZZ YYYYY

slOosh

3291 Posts

May 31 2012 17:12 GMT

#186

On May 31 2012 07:55 slOosh wrote:
My mafia role PM encryption
+ Show Spoiler +

ZZZZZ XXJTH KKXJL XFJBP FSOJH UJIOT BLWKH AXLFN BQPXQ LFELT VUJHI
RXQWC KPFOV ONBAR MLJAI IAUJW NUOTW JQJVE FRMBF CQBAX LJHWR XCTUW
EAFGF WSFEO CAQLG EFBKC CLMZZ YYYYY

Key: DOYLU-KZYJU-AXOQQ-WRLSJ-QRVCW-WVVPI-ECRTY-CEKKW-CDVNL-HBWJL-UILIR-SMVEE
Translates to -> Picka da framer.

Right now "9" votes are in, and since mafia know the vote tallies (why wouldn't you bring it up beforehand Sbrubbles?) it looks like we will be uncertain what PR mafia has unless the remaining three people claim voting for the same role. That said I don't think vote analysis will do much because of that fact - even if mafia lie it won't be exposed until late game when we would probably have flipped the role by then. The remaining players should still claim their votes, it won't hurt to have.

Framer - (5)
1. Sbrubbles
2. Kurumi
3. Zephirdd
9. wherebugsgo
12. slOosh

Roleblocker - (4)
6. prplhz
7. talismania
10. Radfield
11. risk.nuke

Didn't claim - (3)
4. HiroPro
5. Navillus
8. Toadesstern <- You forgot to post your role vote.

This town is suffering a severe case of inactivity and no doubt scum are happy to coast on that.
risk.nuke I would like to hear more from you. Do you still think Radfield is scum after his explanation?
Also,

On May 30 2012 23:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Just a thought, if scum votes anything but 1-1-1 in a secret vote it opens up the posssibility for them to get busted for lying.

I don't understand - did you think the poison applies to the selection phase? Right now you've shown minimal interest in anything.

slOosh

3291 Posts

May 31 2012 17:22 GMT

#188

It was unclear if you voted or it was your intent to vote it. Thus at 5-5 we don't know what mafia have ... unfortunate. The other two should still claim.

What are your thoughts on Sbrubble's "withholding information" on mafia getting the voting results?
I totally forgot about that part but it seems like he knew all along and that would have helped us consolidate roles harder early on.

slOosh

3291 Posts

May 31 2012 23:54 GMT

#222

Uhh - as someone who uses icons to identify players, I might get Toad mixed up with the other devourers :/

Anyways, Hiro's GF vote is fine. His explanation shows that he thought it through (false positives? I didn't even consider that), makes sense in the context of not knowing what role might be picked, and furthermore it is something that knowingly invites attention on himself which he is handling fine.

slOosh

3291 Posts

June 01 2012 01:07 GMT

#226

Gahhh!!! Please post people! From the looks of it we are just going to scramble to get a lurker lynch hours before the deadline.

Kurumi - thoughts on anything besides Radfield?

Sbrubbles - thoughts on Kurumi / Radfield?

risk.nuke & Navillus - please post something. thoughts on each other, Kurumi and Sbrubbles?

slOosh

3291 Posts

June 01 2012 20:55 GMT

#268

On June 02 2012 04:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
I've been asleep. (and I just lost what I was posting from my phone)

I agree with Radfield that Kurumi's aggressiveness based on that singular point is strange and makes him less likely to be mafia. However the meta still agrees, even with the game Kurumi linked. In the beginning of Space Station you can see the tone of Kurumi's posts is much more laid back than here.

I disagree with a Sbrubbles lynch for now because I think the way he has discussed things is not scummy.
His tone seems more like a townie talking about setup mechanics than a scum.

Navillus looks pretty bad, given that he seems to have no opinions of his own regarding the lynch. Toad I'm a bit unsure of as he's posted more.

Of these players I think a Navillus lynch might be the most productive and likely to flip a scum.

##unvote

##vote Navillus

Why are you pigeonholing our lynch choices into these three and picking the most scummiest out of them? How does Navillus earn a vote for no opinion on the lynch but risk.nuke's

On June 01 2012 22:02 risk.nuke wrote:
I am pleased with radfield and I no longer want to make radpie.
On the other hand I believe we could vastly benefit from shortening hiro by a head, turning sloosh into slush and murdering zepphird.

where hegives absolutely no reasoning or analysis at all (nor anywhere in his filter at all) gets no mention?

slOosh

3291 Posts

June 01 2012 21:07 GMT

#273

WBG please answer my first question:
Why are you pigeonholing the lynch choices into these three (referring to Kurumi, Sbrubbles and Navillus) and picking the most scummiest out of them rather than gauging each player individually as scummy or not? There is nothing to indicate that there is or isn't a scum in that group of three.

slOosh

3291 Posts

June 01 2012 21:52 GMT

#287

Is that the sole reason why you think Hiro is a good lynch candidate - the GF vote? You do realize 5/12 players did not encrypt their votes, making voting analysis really weak? It's possible that mafia chose to send some to encrypt and others to bs after they received the vote tallies - or maybe they all encrypted or maybe none did.

Why is Hiro voting GF an exclusively scummy thing to do and not something that a townie would do?

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