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On May 19 2012 10:54 s0Lstice wrote: agree that they are very lenient, i hope nobody skirts that line Yep, one post in 48h is pretty much a free win for mafia. So... one more person to start? | ||
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What is the priority of role actions at night? Defensive/RB/Framer actions generally before kill actions or is there another distinct order? E.g. does a framer who gets killed by a vig at night still frame his target that night or does killing also work like a RB? | ||
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We may wait for thoughts from Mufaa and Shiaopi, but generally, having 7 of 9 players agree on it is pretty much the best case scenario already... | ||
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VE, are you OK with a 7:30PM EST deadline? We all pretty much agreed on that. Gl hf | ||
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On May 22 2012 15:41 Release wrote: I'll write a more detailed post soon but the reason to my aggressiveness is to make sure we don't end up saying "well, we have no solid case, so we may as well lynch [name]." I have read through some previous newbie mafia games where people are so passive that no one receives any serious heat whatsoever. When this happens, the conversation of hunting scum stops and people start discussing far less important matter (such as lynch vs no-lynch, who is what role, figure out who is town because we can't figure out who is scum). Also, passiveness towards active members shifts the heat towards the lurkers, which is the same as wasting a day. But i do understand where you're coming from, and it is not my intention to stop others from posting. Also, the reason i mentioned the way you used your previous game was that you had a point you wanted to make and your previous game was not entirely consistent with that point.(luck vs still want a lynch despite low chance of luck). Agreed. And just to give everyone once and for all my opinion on that (so that we can start scum hunting): We should definitely try to get a majority for lynching every day. Every no-lynch is a win for scum since they will kill one townie every night. Even if a pure luck based lynch is bad, it's even worse to not lynch at all. (This part is basically what others already said) Furthermore, I think it might be a good idea to not share your town reads early on, since this will make "weaker" town reads an easy target for scum and will give scum safety when they see themselves being seen as strong town reads. By doing so, they will need to justify their posts/opinions and it will be easier to keep the pressure high and find inconsistencies. | ||
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On May 22 2012 08:44 Mordanis wrote: So my last game began with a discussion of whether to vote or not that wasn't very productive. We got lucky and scored a good D1 lynch, but it felt very, well, luck based. So I'll start this out by saying that if we don't lynch today, we'll probably be in a really shitty situation. In short, I am for a vote today. Also, it's good to be working together with Golden again! For Liquidia! Is this day cycle going to be an extra couple of hours? I only ask because it was in my first game and I'd like to make sure what the situation is. Thanks Do you know more than the rest of us? Why couldn't Golden be mafia (and you)? On May 22 2012 16:33 Mordanis wrote: I'd rather read a wall of text every 15 minutes than have no idea what people are thinking when they vote. Obviously we can't give any weight to the fact that he explicitly said he's town. If we did, everyone would, and we'd be back at square one, minus however many hours it took us to get there. I kind of agree on the fact that activity creates information, but walls of text (I take it you exaggerated to make your point) don't help automatically. But this was already said earlier, so I wont elaborate on that. On May 22 2012 16:33 Mordanis wrote: One last thing: That is pretty scary timing Hegeo. You don't post at all for the 5 hours after the D1 post (which is in itself understandable, with sleep and such), but then you post (to defend yourself) 3 minutes past the first time someone calls you out (sort of?). The coincidence seems just a bit much. As someone who has watched (too much) House, I don't really believe in coincidences. Admittedly, it is. But if I really wanted to defend myself at that time (against what I might add?), I would have mentioned the post. Truth is I read Miltonkram's post after I posted mine, from now on I will always refresh the thread before I post then. | ||
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Just fluff therefore spoilered: + Show Spoiler + I think sciberbia did a somewhat good job structuring his post to make it easier to read. I could clearly get his point, although he repeated his thoughts. | ||
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Hey Release, some thoughts about your posts, and why I think you're not always helping town with them: On May 22 2012 14:35 Release wrote: 1) Of course we should lynch. a)Anyone who doesn't vote for a lynch is immediately put under suspicion. I am getting awfully suspicious of you because of this post: First, you ask a question to which both myself and Mordanis have answered yes to. If you wanted to further ask the others, there is no need to include the small tidbits of information that don't really help people make an informative decision. In fact, the part where you include Role... Role ... Role.. looks like an attempt to confuse people. Second, your second question is a mere restatement of your first question with even more filler. Why do you feel obligated to post this if it doesn't contribute to do anything useful? a) Even though I understand where you're coming from, this is kind of pseudo-pressuring people, which is futile in the beginning of the game. This makes for an anti-town-atmosphere, since posting should be encouraged. On May 23 2012 00:30 Release wrote: We need to start panicking if no one votes and it is a short time before the deadline. This is textbook no lynch territory. In this case, we need to start piling our votes on one candidate who has appeared the most scummy. b) Worst case scenario, we look at lurkers and choose to lynch one of them. Still, c)we need more information, especially because this is Day1 and we only have some 8 hours left and no concrete scum yet. b) It's not the best case to lynch lurkers, but if they don't contribute to town then it is at least good riddance. c) You are posting at least a considerable amount of non-productive posts right now, e.g. to this post... On May 22 2012 18:06 O.Golden_ne wrote: Please dont focus on the semantics so much Release. + Show Spoiler + A better word for "mistake" in this context is "slip", and i advise people to use slip in the future because it more accurately denotes what a bad mafia would do. ... your answer was this: On May 23 2012 00:24 Release wrote: From Newbie II game + Show Spoiler + Probulous got a AKCT lynched. That was a mistake. He was clearly contributing so even though he made a mistake, he shouldn't get lynched. (he didn't) Sheth however, does slip in trying to save his scumbuddy and got lynched for that. You consistently do this "#FOS"-stuff On May 22 2012 09:08 Release wrote: The useful part of your post can be summarized by: We should have a lynch today. A no-lynch would be detrimental. ##FOS: Mordanis and then, you FOS Sciberibia... On May 22 2012 14:36 Release wrote: EBWOP: ##FOS: Sciberbia ..before even un##FOSing Mordanis: On May 22 2012 15:45 Release wrote: EBWOP: I understand your post so for now: ##unFOS: Mordanis To answer in your own words: On May 22 2012 14:35 Release wrote: Why do you feel obligated to post this if it doesn't contribute to do anything useful? Even though there are many players that have a way shorter filter than you, what you do is generating "noise" (not always, you have your points that I can agree with and you definitely contribute). It seems as though you either just want to stir up anything you can (because both of these #FOSes came to nothing, which would make you a little scummy) or I read it as an overly motivated try to get information. | ||
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(I was merely rephrasing this and putting it into my context). | ||
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On May 23 2012 03:00 ShiaoPi wrote: @Sciberbia: The main thing about your suspicions on Milton is that nothing of the tidbits you gathered really struck me as: "well that's scummy" Since it is Day1 pretty much everyone's postcount is relatively low ... In terms of getting people's attention, nobody besides you, has really done something to get everyone on it. So in regards to that everyone would be suspicious. Well ShiaoPI, I wouldn't say so. On May 22 2012 18:47 ShiaoPi wrote: First of all we should definetly go for a lynch, no-lynch is (at least in my opinion) utter nonsense. Regarding Lurkers, I believe that they should be put under suspicion especially in a 9 player setup. I was in the same game as mufaa and lurking screwed us over pretty badly in a 13 player game. You only stated what several people before you agreed on, also regarding lurkers being a bad thing (I give you the benefit of the doubt here, since it is the first post and my first post was hard for me also). Several hours later, you also repeat what you said before, focusing Mufaa again. + Show Spoiler + (The point is not that you focus on Mufaa, I agree on that, it's the way you do it) On May 23 2012 02:43 ShiaoPi wrote: Since we all agree on lurkers being suspicious,... I would suggest taking a closer look on Mufaa. Although we are still in Day and the amount of posts is therefore pretty limited, his filter contains an amazing single post. I am not sure about his timezone but still a single post only? Maybe I am also biased as he was one of the lurking scum in Newbie Mafia XIII, but he really reminds me of his play in the last game right now... Why wouldn't you say "I said it before, and since he didn't post till now,..."? No, you repeat "what others agreed on". On May 23 2012 00:21 ShiaoPi wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 00:15 s0Lstice wrote: ---snipped--- ShiaoPi has a small filter as well. You just like that back off your suspicions on sciberbia? Scum post fluffy quasi-useful posts all the time. They want to appear to be contributing without actually saying anything incriminating. If you reread my first post on sciberbia I would have assumed that it was easily visible that I had a bit of concern regarding him but not really a suspicion. Regarding my small filter, yes I did not post much until now, but how come that you with the exact same amount of posts (since the daypost) can claim that my filter is small. This strikes me as odd. Why complain about my filter if yours is not that much as well? This post is practically without any new content but a defense. You could have said "I had no time/Wanted to see how things go", whatever... But you chose to say "You're not better than me". This seems like only searching for an excuse once other people target you. Zero content is also valid for this post here: On May 22 2012 23:22 ShiaoPi wrote: Maybe I should have rephrased my post on the suspicions towards you Sciberbia: I was not that much concerned about your absence but just on the amount of seemingly "useless" things within the post. Don't see anything wrong with your elaborations on it now. You also say that you ... On May 22 2012 18:47 ShiaoPi wrote: Just came back from university. but didn't add something with original content for almost 8 hours ?? (18:47-2:43 KST) To me, your attitude seem to be of an overall "maybe there is something, maybe not, who knows... there is not enough information... let's wait" nature. This sounded a little different in your post where you stated: On May 22 2012 18:47 ShiaoPi wrote: [...]we won't get anything worthwhile from just being nice to each other. Pressuring is a great way to get some more information and should be utilizied. What do you think about my points, ShiaoPI? What do others think? Synopsis: ShiaoPi has low content post, states obvious stuff and has vague opinions on others | ||
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On May 23 2012 02:46 sciberbia wrote: Yea, I'd love to hear Mufaa's opinion on anything. Can I get some opinions on Milton? I really feel like I've got some solid stuff to go on, but so far 3 people have kind of disregarded it completely. If you disagree with my read, please at least say so. Well, at least I agree that I have no great town read on him. The "Hi I'm here why haven't XYZ posted yet" wasn't really helping. Let's see what he produces in the next hours. His "accusations" against you were imo also possible merely due to the fact that you were the first one to post long stuff, it is obvious that you were a nice target for so-so posting players. As ShiaoPi said, not sticking your head out protects you from such stuff, but I'm really happy that you started a real analysis of people's posts. What is your second scum read (if you don't want to share it yet, np)? | ||
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I will answer as short as I can, but I also want to show you what I think of Mordanis' "claims" If anyone wants me to clarify my opinion on anything, please tell me (maybe Mordanis and release, could you spoiler longer posts, I think it would be easier for others to follow the discussion). I don't want this to be solely a direct answer to Mordanis. I would like everybody else to get an opinion on my agenda, therefore I added some questions. + Show Spoiler + Everything spoilered to make it easier for all to read and re-read. I repeat: WALLS OF TEXT ARE BAD FOR TOWN, WHEN UNSTRUCTURED. I saw at least 3 people follow my example. So I'm not the only one. Mordanis calls me out on posting directly after Miltonkram + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 04:05 Mordanis wrote: First off, let me clarify my earlier statement to Release. He was being too frightening, and discouraging posting, so I told him to be slightly more trusting. Since his two FOSs, we've regressed to a community of trust. The way people have been talking, there just seems to be no urgency. I feel slightly responsible for this, so I'll do my best to mend the situation. I don't get it: You say release was too agressive but after he stopped there was a "community of trust" till now that you (two) come back? Later on in your post you state "Do you see the passive aggressiveness?" when talking about me. I didn't trust anybody in the last hours, and tried to point out inconsistencies, without ever blatantly calling somebody scum for it. Mordanis calls me out on posting as a "knee-jerk reaction" directly after Miltonkrams first post + Show Spoiler + Hegeo has been very suspicious. To restate what I've already said, he did not post in the first 5 hours (in and of itself harmless), but then posted 5 minutes after someone called him out for not posting. He offered an excuse, but the most obvious explanation is that he was watching the thread, and had a knee-jerk reaction to being called out. To believe he began writing before he was called out, and posted after a few minutes is, frankly, well, let's just say its not a very high order of probability. The next question is why he would watch the thread without posting. I can think of no reason a Townie would do this. This is basically what you said before (yes, you stated it). You didn't add anything (NO additional content). I answered you directly after you asked me why I posted and explained what happened. Do others think a knee-jerk reaction is the "most obvious explanation"? And if this is of such importance for you, Mordanis: + Show Spoiler + It was 9:16AM when I posted my first thoughts on a post from 8:50AM (by release, which is 15:50 KST here), and I loaded the thread no later than 15:41 (I can't remember seeing his addenda). Since I was rereading what he said, highlighted stuff etc. in his post and since it was my first post, I was really careful with my wording. I don't see a problem there, maybe you still see it. If this is everything you have there, ok. Mordanis again on my first post and my questions to him + Show Spoiler + This is right after I first state my misgivings about his timing. Do you see the passive aggressiveness? He defends himself in a strange way. He says virtually nothing save a small excuse for the the timing of his post. I hope I answered you question already. You still just repeat what you said before. And I see no passive aggressiveness here (not in my explanation for the time of my post, maybe you meant my first statement that you mention later?). And I want to ask the others: What do other think about Mondalis' judgement here? First statement is the most absurdly WIFOM I've ever seen. It was hilariously passive aggressive. Second statement was just agreement with someone else (which he stated), and the third was basically just an excuse. I have a hard time reconciling his behavior with being town. Yep, my first statement was really not that great, it was bad to be honest with you, But still, it made you answer, and Golden already answered it before in a less condescending way. And all that while you say you saw "too much House" to still believe in coincidences I might add. On my post with thoughts about releases way of playing + Show Spoiler + Then he posts this gem: + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 01:29 hegeo wrote: Sciberbia bringing the heat via analysis, I like it. Hey Release, some thoughts about your posts, and why I think you're not always helping town with them: a) Even though I understand where you're coming from, this is kind of pseudo-pressuring people, which is futile in the beginning of the game. This makes for an anti-town-atmosphere, since posting should be encouraged. b) It's not the best case to lynch lurkers, but if they don't contribute to town then it is at least good riddance. c) You are posting at least a considerable amount of non-productive posts right now, e.g. to this post... ... your answer was this: You consistently do this "#FOS"-stuff and then, you FOS Sciberibia... ..before even un##FOSing Mordanis: To answer in your own words: Even though there are many players that have a way shorter filter than you, what you do is generating "noise" (not always, you have your points that I can agree with and you definitely contribute). It seems as though you either just want to stir up anything you can (because both of these #FOSes came to nothing, which would make you a little scummy) or I read it as an overly motivated try to get information. He praises Sciberia for "bringing the heat", and then spends the rest of the post explaining why Release's play has been suboptimal. I didn't praise, I was happy. At that time, there was not to much cross-analysis between posts, and since I realized that I wasn't the first one to start (I refreshed the thread before I posted, yeah!) I wanted to mention it. On release: I stated my opinion on, as I put it "why I think you're not always helping town with [your style of posting]". I don't see what's wrong with that. So why didn't you tell me what you thought about my post regarding ShiaoPi, and what I had to say about Sciberbias analysis on Miltonkram? On me, and that I "outright chasten[..] Release" + Show Spoiler + Sorry, did I quoted you wrong here? You said: On May 22 2012 15:08 Mordanis wrote: Also, Release: You're being very aggresive. Very agressive. I understand the need to get the scumhunt going as quickly as possible, but you've placed the only two players who have posted content under suspicion. I think this discourages people from posting content. Artanis, a player whom I trust, wrote that mafia are rarely aggresive. Based on that, I'll trust that you are just trying to get things stirred up. I just think that you're going overboard. We need to get the ball rolling, but we also need people to talk. So please stop with the extreme distrust for a while, and wait for a little while while everyone analyzes what we've just written. Also, I'd be very happy if you would be so kind as to explain to the rest of us why you're being so aggressive. If you really are town, then tell us, and trust us to be rational. If you're not, well you're certainly attracting a lot of attention. I just wanted to point out that I didn't want to repeat what you said. Do others think I quoted him wrong and do you think I did it in a dismissive way, hence "chastening" release? Mordanis says I post "shallow analysis", calls my activities "suspicious" again + Show Spoiler + I have no idea what he is trying to accomplish. He has only posted shallow analysis in which he deflects attention from himself. He hasn't really helped at all in the scum-hunt. He has very suspicious activities. So what new points did you bring up? That one of my points "against" you was ridiculous, which I admitted? That you don't like the way I post? I'm very willing to change my mind, as we aren't even halfway through the first day.That being said, we need to have more and better analysis if we're going to find scum. I think it is wrong to assume that everyone is innocent just as it is wrong to assume everyone is innocent. We need to cultivate a healthy distrust of everyone, but at the same time we need to be able to work together to hunt scum. We need balance. We began too distrustful, we are now too trusting. We must find a middle ground to be successful. You repeat what you say in the very beginning. I still don't understand, why you call me scum that "chastenes Release" is "passive aggressive", nevertheless interpret the current situation "too trusting". I don't "trust" you to be town, still, I don't think you're scum either (although there are many points in the post I'm answering trying to answer that look as if you wanted to persuade other players without real evidence, I leave that to the other players). ----------- But really Mordanis, what kind of "culture of discussion" is it, when you just say, asked by Sciberbia what you think of my posts on e.g. ShiaoPi : On May 23 2012 04:35 Mordanis wrote: I was actually ignoring them on purpose. /Out of game: + Show Spoiler + This is just sad. So why are you playing then? Call my posts bad or whatever, but please read them. /Back in game ----------- What I tried to do in the last 13 hours: + Show Spoiler + 1. Post original content as good as I can, analyses (good or bad, everyone can judge themselves) 2. Try to make my posts as transparent as possible (proposing tl;drs for easier reference, spoilered fluff, mentioned when I just repeated stuff) 3. Tried to NOT do this "'#FOS, XY is scum, I'm watching you" stuff since I don' feel the need to show everybody I'm having thoughts on things. 4. Tried to make sure that I ask people on their opinion/pressured them and was interested in THEIR opinion and explanations why they posted what they did when I wasn't sure. 5. Asked other people on wether they agree with me or not to promote discussions 6. Tried to cooperate with others that seemed interested in discussing (namely Sciberbia in the last hours) 7. Was the first to say that although scum reads should be actively discussed, we shouldn't mention strong town reads to make sure mafia can't profit. Now I will try to quickly answer release (then I have to sleep for at least 8 hours. Don't expect me to post or whatever.) | ||
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On May 23 2012 05:25 ShiaoPi wrote: @hegeo: So you see me as scummy/suspicious? No, I merely asked you to comment (believe me or not, maybe my wording was too harsh), since in comparison there was really not to much original content. Now you post a defense which I can agree on for the time being. Let's take a look at your reasoning: I'll follow the chronological order of your post. So first off you scrutinize my first post and come to the conclusion that I am just repeating stuff, which has been said by others already. I actually see nothing wrong in joining a discussion that has already started. To me it seemed as they were asking for everyone's opinion, so I gave my opinion. If stating somebody's stance on something is scummy, well cannot help you then. You are right, I have no "problem" with it, but I expect anybody to analyze other players' behaviour (look at how people are starting to argue). I also stated (to quote my post: "I give you the benefit of the doubt here, since it is the first post and my first post was hard for me also") + Show Spoiler + Going on to the 3rd excerpt: You state the following: + Show Spoiler + This post is practically without any new content but a defense. You could have said "I had no time/Wanted to see how things go", whatever... But you chose to say "You're not better than me". This seems like only searching for an excuse once other people target you. I was being put under suspicion so I defended myself, sounds pretty reasonable? You can interpret text in many ways, if we assume that I said "had no time/wanted to see how things go", you can also claim that it looks scummy, it really is a matter of interpretation. I see nothing wrong with my defense, firstly I clarified my stance on sciberbia, then I point out a flaw in his 2nd argument. It's was basically to see how you react. I see nothing fishy in your response atm. Mordanis called me out for posting 10 mins after Miltonkram, this is allowed and good for town if things get clarified. I asked you directly and today and didn't bring it up 3hrs before deadline, so that you have time to discuss about it. Next snippet is me repsonding to sciberbia regarding my stance on him and as you take it out of context it looks useless. I believe it to have served it's purpose of further clarifying my opinion. Reread it, you are right. My apologies. Seems to me like a not too shabby way to play on Day 1. Not much yet you can base reads off and still quite some time to the deadline, whose approach always brings out the more mattering posts (at least in my opinion). Agreed. I just figured that we don't want unclear reads and too many lurkers before deadline. With this post here, you clearly did more Mufaa ever did in the thread, That was unclear for me before, and surely also for others. And I just saw your answer to Sciberbia: I don't think you're going at my throat. And please also try asking me when something I do is fishy to you. There is no scum hiding (perhaps a newbie player though) in my posts, and I'm willing to show that to you. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 04:45 Release wrote: On May 23 2012 01:29 hegeo wrote: Sciberbia bringing the heat via analysis, I like it. Hey Release, some thoughts about your posts, and why I think you're not always helping town with them: On May 22 2012 14:35 Release wrote: 1) Of course we should lynch. a)Anyone who doesn't vote for a lynch is immediately put under suspicion. I am getting awfully suspicious of you because of this post: First, you ask a question to which both myself and Mordanis have answered yes to. If you wanted to further ask the others, there is no need to include the small tidbits of information that don't really help people make an informative decision. In fact, the part where you include Role... Role ... Role.. looks like an attempt to confuse people. Second, your second question is a mere restatement of your first question with even more filler. Why do you feel obligated to post this if it doesn't contribute to do anything useful? a) Even though I understand where you're coming from, this is kind of pseudo-pressuring people, which is futile in the beginning of the game. This makes for an anti-town-atmosphere, since posting should be encouraged. b) It's not the best case to lynch lurkers, but if they don't contribute to town then it is at least good riddance. c) You are posting at least a considerable amount of non-productive posts right now, e.g. to this post... ... your answer was this: You consistently do this "#FOS"-stuff and then, you FOS Sciberibia... ..before even un##FOSing Mordanis: To answer in your own words: Even though there are many players that have a way shorter filter than you, what you do is generating "noise" (not always, you have your points that I can agree with and you definitely contribute). It seems as though you either just want to stir up anything you can (because both of these #FOSes came to nothing, which would make you a little scummy) or I read it as an overly motivated try to get information. + Show Spoiler + Response to a) my point was that contributing useless information is worse than having no contribution at all. My example was Sciberia's asking the same question twice, which has since, been given some clarification. I agree. At that time, I wanted to point out that I found it slightly irritating, that you would try to pressure people before seeing a considerable amount of players posting their thoughts and directly tried to pressure a post that I read pro-town. Mordanis critizised you for that also, not only me. b) Lynching a lurker is not "good riddance". I don't see why a townie should feel that way. Lynching a lurker (if there are more than one) is random to a townie, but clear to the mafia.+ Show Spoiler + The mafia will obviously choose the lurker whom is a townie, therefore causing us to mislynch. Advocating a lurker lynch instead of focusing on those who are suspicious is a Mafia's way of thinking. In fact, you don't even list some alternative, despite it not being a best case scenario. I said that it is not ideal to lynch lurkers. At the time I wrote that, 3 or more players didn't contribute anything (or not much). Still at this very moment, Mufaa hasn't written anything but "hello" basically. So we can't just let him stay in the game when he lurks in this extreme fashion. Do you agree on that? ------- + Show Spoiler + c)my answer was this: "My point is that Townies can make mistakes, but townies don't make slips. Mafia make can make mistakes; usually their mistake is to make a slip. I want to make that very clear. We shouldn't end up lynching for a mistake. We should lynch someone who makes a slip." From Newbie II game + Show Spoiler + Probulous got a AKCT lynched. That was a mistake. He was clearly contributing so even though he made a mistake, he shouldn't get lynched. (he didn't) Sheth however, does slip in trying to save his scumbuddy and got lynched for that. this was in support of the above point i made. Your c) and reasoning behind are Blatant Lies; you intentionally leave out my actual point to make it seem like i am posting filler. If i didn't know better, you know that i am town, and see that i am dangerous to your scum motives. You are targeting me with a weak case based on incomplete evidence. I misquoted you there, as you can see in your original post the text was somewhat strangely formatted, and part of the quote was displayed in normal fontsize so I misinterpreted it, your post makes more sense now, I apologize. ------- + Show Spoiler + In regard to the FOS before unFOS, i did it to show that i was putting both of them under suspicion. There are 3 mafia. I only had 2. Are you seriously trying to convince to to avoid the larger picture and completely ignore anyone (other than the person who i am targeting at the moment) who might be Mafia? The FOS's got people talking. Talking is good for the town. Again, this is an example of where you completely ignore the larger picture. Why don't you acknowledge that we (not only me but also e.g. Sciberbia) also tried to do the same that you say you tried, namely illuminate places where scum could hide? I called you, Mordanis, ShiaoPi (did I forget somebody?) out because of things that I was interested in, all of you answered and I tried to answer to your posts as well as I could. ------- + Show Spoiler + "overly motivated try to get information." All townies want information. After all, we don't know much. You however, seem perfectly content to let this day slip by without extracting a lot of information from it (presumably because you already have the information because you are scum). Please also try to quote correctly. I said: It seems as though you either just want to stir up anything you can (because both of these #FOSes came to nothing, which would make you a little scummy) or I read it as an overly motivated try to get information. I don't see anything wrong with my point here, I just wanted to make you aware of that. ----- I see no other option as of yet (or until you reply) but to: ##Vote: Hegeo So, I replied. In my answer to Mordanis, I added a spoilered paragraph stating what I think I contributed today (again, newbie here). I hope to read new input tomorrow morning, especially from Mufaa. | ||
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