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Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 23 2012 16:27 GMT
#93
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Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 25 2012 14:29 GMT
#138
No one... Can see me move... In the darkness.
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 25 2012 15:47 GMT
#142
Tonight we move, tomorrow we strike!
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 27 2012 04:54 GMT
#238
Assuming that Grush is going to be a bad townie is in my opinion a bad move. Give everyone a chance and the fact that your so set on killing this guy makes me wonder as to how easily you'll decide someone else is guilty. I'm all fine with someone who is set on making town lose die, but give him a chance first and condemn later. Rash decisions are what makes town lose.
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 27 2012 05:03 GMT
#241
On May 27 2012 13:55 Blazinghand wrote:
You clearly didn't read the LIV filter I linked if you think somehow Grush wasn't given a chance to be a good townie.


I did indeed, and regardless I still believe that every game is different and it is only fair to disregard previous player actions. As I said before if there is no change in the way Gush conducts himself on the first day, by all means the mayor may lynch him. But I believe in a mayor that makes an informed decision based on actions in the current game rather than lynching him based on what he "might" do.
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 27 2012 14:52 GMT
#326
I'm leaning more towards Mr. Wiggles at this point. He's the only one who has given complete sound reasoning on why he should be vice-leader. He promises to basically never use it. So if he does he's either just a bad townie, or scum. And he knows we'd lynch him. There is only one reason I can find not to trust him which is, Assuming he is scum he wants the position so a townie can't get it and so that closer to the endgame it can become the difference between a scum win and a townie win.

Also I don't know if this has already been brought up, but assuming the mayor is a good townie I think it's reasonable to believe that they'll be killed the first night, after all why would scum want a good townie in a position with double votes, it can only be bad for them. So we should start looking a little bit more closely at our mayor candidates, because if any of them have brains they've already figured it out they'll be dead the first night unless they're scum of course.
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 29 2012 02:17 GMT
#744
I know I haven't posted a lot you guys, which is mostly due to the fact that I've been on vacation and hardly have found the time to read all the posts much less post myself.

Anyway on with it. Mr. Wiggles and Toad are going to need protection most tonight. Mr. Wiggles moreso. Perhaps we should be focusing on people that aren't posting a lot? Or at least taking a closer look. The scum reads I've seen so far are only for people that have been actively posting and while more posts does help you when figuring out someones alignment, the smaller posts can be more telling.

I'd also like to see a bit more sureness in your lynch possiblities Wiggles. While I understand you just lynched a townie and might be hesitant to be so quick to pounce on someone, I'd be curious to hear who's on your radar.
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 29 2012 04:25 GMT
#753
On May 29 2012 12:53 jaj22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2012 11:17 Manason wrote:
Perhaps we should be focusing on people that aren't posting a lot? Or at least taking a closer look. The scum reads I've seen so far are only for people that have been actively posting and while more posts does help you when figuring out someones alignment, the smaller posts can be more telling.

Been staring at those, failed to find anything worth mentioning except papapanda's abdictation of responsibility on the Grush/Sinensis thing, which is probably in character for him. Honestly I'd be happy to kill anyone with fewer than five posts, because they're killing town. It's a long list.

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On May 29 2012 11:17 Manason wrote:
I'd also like to see a bit more sureness in your lynch possiblities Wiggles. While I understand you just lynched a townie and might be hesitant to be so quick to pounce on someone, I'd be curious to hear who's on your radar.

Why? He's just a guy with two votes. Who's on your radar?



I voted for Mr. Wiggles because I trusted that he would make a good lynch, so I'm curious as to who he would want to lynch because to be honest I don't have the time nor will power to sit here and analyze everyone. I'd rather someone who I know is better than me to be suspicious and then I can form my own opinion on the matter. The people on my radar I would rather not say because I have zero evidence to back up my claims other than pure intuition, which could be wrong. So no use making enemies when no one will believe me anyway.
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 29 2012 17:09 GMT
#816
On May 30 2012 01:15 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 00:34 austinmcc wrote:
Bah, should have organized it more, sorry.

I don't disagree with the read on Zealos, and I don't think it's an example of good town play. But that seems to be the general opinion.

I just don't get a good feeling from the way it feels like you tried to pump up your reads on Toad and Zealos, especially when a lot of your reasoning came from supersoft or didn't even feel that strong for you (He said, as he finishes presenting a read that apparently isn't all that strong...). Also, when we had so many inactive players, choosing to hold your reads until pressured to reveal anything doesn't quite sit right with me.

Do you currently have any reads outside the main targets of discussion that feel scummy to you?

It SHOULD have been the general opinion that Zealos was the scummiest, but noone talked about him, and Sinensis got lynched instead if Zealos. Whatever your own read was, there wasn´t enough of other people agreeing with you and I to kill Zealos. I tried to change that at the end of the day but I didn´t try hard enough.

My reasoning didn´t come from supersoft, he got my eye on Toades, but we reached the same conclusion on Zealos on our own, unless my subconcious is acting up. I waited until someone else, in this case Supersoft, revealed his own suspicions on Zealos before I did too. I got suspicious of him first when he claimed VT, and then for real with his preemptive defence of Toades. I called him out defending Toades, but didn´t push it too far, I didn´t want to spook him ahead of time, in case he was going to post more incriminating posts.

I actually prefer NOT posting more when a part of town is inactive, because if I spam then there´s more to catch up on. Anyway the most suspicious people during D1 are Zealos and Kita. Manason acted weird too. BH looked bad earlier, although less so after the sinensis-flip. I´m not sure how my read on you, austinmcc, changed with the flip, BH was agreeing with Sinensis, at least intitially, but you were defending him.

So I´d say my strongest unorthodox scumtell would be Manason.


While I do agree with you about Zealos and Kita, I can't say I agree with you on myself. And the obvious question I'm going to ask you is why me?
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 29 2012 17:31 GMT
#820
On May 30 2012 02:24 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 02:09 Manason wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:15 Forumite wrote:
On May 30 2012 00:34 austinmcc wrote:
Bah, should have organized it more, sorry.

I don't disagree with the read on Zealos, and I don't think it's an example of good town play. But that seems to be the general opinion.

I just don't get a good feeling from the way it feels like you tried to pump up your reads on Toad and Zealos, especially when a lot of your reasoning came from supersoft or didn't even feel that strong for you (He said, as he finishes presenting a read that apparently isn't all that strong...). Also, when we had so many inactive players, choosing to hold your reads until pressured to reveal anything doesn't quite sit right with me.

Do you currently have any reads outside the main targets of discussion that feel scummy to you?

It SHOULD have been the general opinion that Zealos was the scummiest, but noone talked about him, and Sinensis got lynched instead if Zealos. Whatever your own read was, there wasn´t enough of other people agreeing with you and I to kill Zealos. I tried to change that at the end of the day but I didn´t try hard enough.

My reasoning didn´t come from supersoft, he got my eye on Toades, but we reached the same conclusion on Zealos on our own, unless my subconcious is acting up. I waited until someone else, in this case Supersoft, revealed his own suspicions on Zealos before I did too. I got suspicious of him first when he claimed VT, and then for real with his preemptive defence of Toades. I called him out defending Toades, but didn´t push it too far, I didn´t want to spook him ahead of time, in case he was going to post more incriminating posts.

I actually prefer NOT posting more when a part of town is inactive, because if I spam then there´s more to catch up on. Anyway the most suspicious people during D1 are Zealos and Kita. Manason acted weird too. BH looked bad earlier, although less so after the sinensis-flip. I´m not sure how my read on you, austinmcc, changed with the flip, BH was agreeing with Sinensis, at least intitially, but you were defending him.

So I´d say my strongest unorthodox scumtell would be Manason.


While I do agree with you about Zealos and Kita, I can't say I agree with you on myself. And the obvious question I'm going to ask you is why me?
You are here, good, please stay. You´ve posted 3 times the last 2 days, so some more activity would be greatly appreciated.

What put you on my scumlist was one post full of odd earlier in the game.
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On May 27 2012 23:52 Manason wrote:
I'm leaning more towards Mr. Wiggles at this point. He's the only one who has given complete sound reasoning on why he should be vice-leader. He promises to basically never use it. So if he does he's either just a bad townie, or scum. And he knows we'd lynch him. There is only one reason I can find not to trust him which is, Assuming he is scum he wants the position so a townie can't get it and so that closer to the endgame it can become the difference between a scum win and a townie win.

Also I don't know if this has already been brought up, but assuming the mayor is a good townie I think it's reasonable to believe that they'll be killed the first night, after all why would scum want a good townie in a position with double votes, it can only be bad for them. So we should start looking a little bit more closely at our mayor candidates, because if any of them have brains they've already figured it out they'll be dead the first night unless they're scum of course.

The first paragraf is nothing new, of course Wiggles would, if scum, have to reaveal himself when he uses the pardon power, but so would any pardoner, it´s not like any of the candidates have said "Vote me for Vice-Mayor, and I´ll use the Pardon-power whenever I feel like it!".

The second paragraf is what made me suspicious. I´m not sure if you are telling scum to kill the mayor, or telling Town that they shouldn´t want to run for Mayor, or maybe you are saying that Town shouldn´t want to be Mayor because they´d die, which means those running are most likely scum. It´s a medium post, but it´s either a post about nothing, or very weird things indeed. I say you are a nervous scum trying to post something.


Like I've stated in a previous post, I barely find the time to read all these posts much less post myself. I was also on vacation so I'll be more active now. In regards to the post about mayor surviving I was merely stating that if the mayor survives we should be suspicious of them, which I understand now is WIFOM, but wasn't thinking about that at the time. I was also one of the first to support Wiggles and made that post to try to convince others to support him, giving reasoning why he was the best candidate.
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 30 2012 01:26 GMT
#1081
A lot of people are apparently making hasty votes, the day just began. We have roughly 45 hours to decide who is Scum and while you can change your vote why not focus the pressure on someone who is more likely to read the forum.

##Vote Kitaman
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 30 2012 04:11 GMT
#1176
On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
There you have it. Nice work Matt.

Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^

Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think?


He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita.


I'm behind you on Kita. Kita or Zealous, those are the two I'd be happy to see lynched. I think we need to start putting some pressure on these two and see what they have to say in their defence.
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 31 2012 03:35 GMT
#1561
On May 31 2012 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Your post doesn't have a conclusion prob. I assumed lynchers know their target because it would be an imbalanced role otherwise. I've never played in a game where a player's win condition is to lynch an unknown target.

I find the following players scummy and have listed them in the preference of lynching order.
VisceraEyes: case stated earlier
sToFu: Apologetic, lacks town tells
Mr. Wiggles: Band-wagoning, play has completely dropped off as promising to be a leader
strongandbig: stated ealier
Hassybaby: Active lurker. Refusing to contribute even after people have complained about his apathy.

I find the following having contributed little to nothing in the thread. I'd like each of them to comment about the above five names or bring up something meaningful to show that they care about showing that they are town. Otherwise, they should all be considered for vig shots.

Manason
GambitX32
Cwave
Hassybaby
Kenpachi
phagga
Hyaach
sToFu


As you wish. Also note that I have previously stated I'm for the lynching of Kita or Zealous. So don't come at me and say that I'm just mad that your calling for a vig shot.

VisceraEyes: He's for lynching Kita, so I want to work with him for now.
sToFu: I don't think he's scum.
Mr. Wiggles: I voted for him because I trusted his judgment. Nothing I've seen so far has led me to not trust my intial insticts.
strongandbig: at some points I've thought he's scum, other times town. To be honest I have no opinion at the moment.
Hassybaby: I'm not for lynching the lurkers at the moment as we have better targets that are active. Like Kita and Zealous.
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 31 2012 03:48 GMT
#1573
On May 31 2012 12:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 12:35 Manason wrote:
On May 31 2012 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Your post doesn't have a conclusion prob. I assumed lynchers know their target because it would be an imbalanced role otherwise. I've never played in a game where a player's win condition is to lynch an unknown target.

I find the following players scummy and have listed them in the preference of lynching order.
VisceraEyes: case stated earlier
sToFu: Apologetic, lacks town tells
Mr. Wiggles: Band-wagoning, play has completely dropped off as promising to be a leader
strongandbig: stated ealier
Hassybaby: Active lurker. Refusing to contribute even after people have complained about his apathy.

I find the following having contributed little to nothing in the thread. I'd like each of them to comment about the above five names or bring up something meaningful to show that they care about showing that they are town. Otherwise, they should all be considered for vig shots.

Manason
GambitX32
Cwave
Hassybaby
Kenpachi
phagga
Hyaach
sToFu


As you wish. Also note that I have previously stated I'm for the lynching of Kita or Zealous. So don't come at me and say that I'm just mad that your calling for a vig shot.

VisceraEyes: He's for lynching Kita, so I want to work with him for now.
sToFu: I don't think he's scum.
Mr. Wiggles: I voted for him because I trusted his judgment. Nothing I've seen so far has led me to not trust my intial insticts.
strongandbig: at some points I've thought he's scum, other times town. To be honest I have no opinion at the moment.
Hassybaby: I'm not for lynching the lurkers at the moment as we have better targets that are active. Like Kita and Zealous.


You stated that you wish to pressure me with your vote, but have not once explained your reasoning for voting me. Please provide a case (and I hope its more detailed than your views of those five)



To be completely honest, I have no reasoning as to why I think your scum other than intuition, and I want you to defend yourself as it will either make me change my mind about voting you or provide more information. My enemy is scum, if your town please, convince me.
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 31 2012 03:57 GMT
#1587
On May 31 2012 12:52 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 12:48 Manason wrote:
On May 31 2012 12:40 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 31 2012 12:35 Manason wrote:
On May 31 2012 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Your post doesn't have a conclusion prob. I assumed lynchers know their target because it would be an imbalanced role otherwise. I've never played in a game where a player's win condition is to lynch an unknown target.

I find the following players scummy and have listed them in the preference of lynching order.
VisceraEyes: case stated earlier
sToFu: Apologetic, lacks town tells
Mr. Wiggles: Band-wagoning, play has completely dropped off as promising to be a leader
strongandbig: stated ealier
Hassybaby: Active lurker. Refusing to contribute even after people have complained about his apathy.

I find the following having contributed little to nothing in the thread. I'd like each of them to comment about the above five names or bring up something meaningful to show that they care about showing that they are town. Otherwise, they should all be considered for vig shots.

Manason
GambitX32
Cwave
Hassybaby
Kenpachi
phagga
Hyaach
sToFu


As you wish. Also note that I have previously stated I'm for the lynching of Kita or Zealous. So don't come at me and say that I'm just mad that your calling for a vig shot.

VisceraEyes: He's for lynching Kita, so I want to work with him for now.
sToFu: I don't think he's scum.
Mr. Wiggles: I voted for him because I trusted his judgment. Nothing I've seen so far has led me to not trust my intial insticts.
strongandbig: at some points I've thought he's scum, other times town. To be honest I have no opinion at the moment.
Hassybaby: I'm not for lynching the lurkers at the moment as we have better targets that are active. Like Kita and Zealous.


You stated that you wish to pressure me with your vote, but have not once explained your reasoning for voting me. Please provide a case (and I hope its more detailed than your views of those five)



To be completely honest, I have no reasoning as to why I think your scum other than intuition, and I want you to defend yourself as it will either make me change my mind about voting you or provide more information. My enemy is scum, if your town please, convince me.


You want me to defend myself from the fact that your intuition tells you that I am scum? You've given me no case to respond to.

Does that mean your strongest scum read is based on a gut feeling? Nobody else has done anything this game that you actually find scummy?


Doesn't everyone get there reads based on what their gut feeling is? I seriously doubt anyone accuses someone of being scum without believing they actually are. Unless they have other motives of course. And like I've previously stated, Kita and Zealous are who I'm confident right now. Of course other people have done scummy things, but not enough to give me a gut feeling their scum. Think of it like proving that your town. Otherwise my vote will not waiver.
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 31 2012 04:53 GMT
#1596
On May 31 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dear Town:

What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh*

Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen.

Pretty please?

Sincerely, VE

PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3


Know what I find strange? He's your "favorite" lynch yet you aren't voting for him. Explain please.
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
May 31 2012 06:43 GMT
#1657
Sorry VE, but theres a lot of evidence making you look bad.
##Unvote: Kitaman
##Vote: VisceraEyes

However I still do look forward to what you have on Kita, If it's good enough you might have a chance to not get lynched.
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
June 01 2012 14:29 GMT
#2105
Ok well there is something I want to make clear right now. I never thought VE was Scum. The reason why I gave him a vote was because I was suspicious by the whole bread crumb deal, added on to the fact that he was going to get lynched and I would rather a VE lynch than a no-lynch. For the people saying that I don't provide any evidence, you guys don't seem to be quoting anything in my filter to prove I'm scum either, although I would give you the benefit of the doubt as it is night, I expect something tomorrow and as a show of good will I will make a complete case against who I think is scum.

I know this isn't going to go in my favor and probably harm my chances even more, but I'm lazy and don't want to go digging through peoples filters and making a case. I like to leave that to the vets. Like I've already said though I'll attempt a case D3.
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
June 01 2012 14:48 GMT
#2107
On June 01 2012 23:40 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2012 23:29 Manason wrote:
Ok well there is something I want to make clear right now. I never thought VE was Scum. The reason why I gave him a vote was because I was suspicious by the whole bread crumb deal, added on to the fact that he was going to get lynched and I would rather a VE lynch than a no-lynch. For the people saying that I don't provide any evidence, you guys don't seem to be quoting anything in my filter to prove I'm scum either, although I would give you the benefit of the doubt as it is night, I expect something tomorrow and as a show of good will I will make a complete case against who I think is scum.

I know this isn't going to go in my favor and probably harm my chances even more, but I'm lazy and don't want to go digging through peoples filters and making a case. I like to leave that to the vets. Like I've already said though I'll attempt a case D3.


Remind me for a moment how a complete lack of scumhunting and voting for a townie lynch isn't scummy


the complete lack of scum hunting is scummy, but voting for VE is completely understandable, while I did think he was town I wasn't without doubts. Like I've said above, better a VE lynch than a no-lynch, no one was going for Kita so I hopped on the bandwagon so that we didn't have a no-lynch.
Manason
Profile Joined May 2012
45 Posts
June 01 2012 15:18 GMT
#2109
On June 02 2012 00:13 Hyaach wrote:
no a no lynch on a VT is better than a no-lynch. a lynch on a claimed VIG is not better than a no-lynch. We had the other option of lynching Zealos and getting VE to shoot someone.

so ur reasoning is a lazy town whose not trying. scum mb?


As it's already been explain to you Hyaach it's not so simple just getting VE to shoot someone, besides if we didn't lynch VE then D3 would be completely wasted talking about him.
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