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Hi guys.
I'm in this game too.
Is this a haiku?
No. So I see two things happening. Palmar came up with a bow before me ye mortals and expects it to work. Syllogism his first leutenant and Radfield his skippy monkey friend are trying to help.
Then we have Motbob (Meapak), Chaoser, BC and a few others shouting their disdain for this plan.
I think Palmar's plan is the way to go in ROUND 1. It gives us some information and I think everyone here is smart enough to stop listening to Palmar when he acts retarded. Notice I said when, not if, cuz I mean its Palmar. (<3) I'll vote Yes forya bud!
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On May 01 2012 01:37 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 14:32 Foolishness wrote:
We want as few people as possible in the majority. It needs to be as close to even as possible. If we have 10 or 11 people in the majority we can control the lynch. This is because we have more votes than there are people up for lynch. This is solid. We also have to agree on someone having the last word in round A, otherwise we can't implement what foolishness said. I'll support palmar if he agrees on pardoning max number of players. The theory behind this is the least players that are up to being lynched, the least influential mafia votes are on keeping mafia alive. If everybody is up for lynch it is pretty impossible to get whoever we deem scum lynched.
I don't like how this was said. Your end statement is that "If everybody is up for lynch it is pretty impossible to get whoever we deem scum lynched." however you are trying to get the maximum people in the majority. I liked the idealistic ideas behind the first part, but I think even if we were all lynchable like a normal game its still very possible to get whoever the majority thinks is scum, lynched.
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On May 01 2012 01:51 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 01:41 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On May 01 2012 01:37 sandroba wrote:On April 30 2012 14:32 Foolishness wrote:
We want as few people as possible in the majority. It needs to be as close to even as possible. If we have 10 or 11 people in the majority we can control the lynch. This is because we have more votes than there are people up for lynch. This is solid. We also have to agree on someone having the last word in round A, otherwise we can't implement what foolishness said. I'll support palmar if he agrees on pardoning max number of players. The theory behind this is the least players that are up to being lynched, the least influential mafia votes are on keeping mafia alive. If everybody is up for lynch it is pretty impossible to get whoever we deem scum lynched. I don't like how this was said. Your end statement is that "If everybody is up for lynch it is pretty impossible to get whoever we deem scum lynched." however you are trying to get the maximum people in the majority. I liked the idealistic ideas behind the first part, but I think even if we were all lynchable like a normal game its still very possible to get whoever the majority thinks is scum, lynched. huh? It's max people in minority. The voting system in this is different, if you take some time to think about it you will realise why having the whole pool to lynch from results in more townies lynched on average.
Whole pool --> 12 town, 6 mafia.
33% chance of lynching mafia.
Split into majority / Minority in a perfect situation
8 Minority -- 10 Majority.
If mafia splits up their votes it will be a 3/10 situation and this means there is less chance of lynching mafia here.
Now imagine a less perfect situation of something like 6 Minority 12 Majority
3/12 will be even less of a chance. So on average I disagree with you.
That is why I've agreed to the Palmar Plan.
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I realize mafia may not be able to get a perfect 3/3 split into yes and no because they are two separate team. Anyway... Team Palmar. Join us and you too can die to night kills first round!
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On May 01 2012 02:06 sandroba wrote:
That's not how it works. 18 people up for lynch, very few votes are needed to keep you alive. 10 people up for lynch, more votes are needed to keep you alive, mafia is not as influential on preventing the lynch on them.
You realize palmar plan will try to get as close to this as possible? The ideal scenario is finding 8 townies and making the lynch pool 6 mafia 4 town. We should trive to reach that ideal.
My main point was this :
I don't like how this was said. Your end statement is that "If everybody is up for lynch it is pretty impossible to get whoever we deem scum lynched."
Anyway, yes obviously that is our ideal. I just disliked how this was said. Because even if 18 people were up for lynch, its possible to control votes as well with a different plan. Semantics I guess.
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We can force someone into the minority by tricking them. Say for instance we all agreed to Palmar's plan. And we all just type that we agree to it in this forums and he PM's us all private to change to NO. We then screw over that one guy. So while we can't if this person is smart, there are ways we can trick him! =)
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On May 01 2012 06:10 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 05:57 syllogism wrote:
Sometimes all it takes is one post to get a solid town read on someone, you should read some guides Ace can't tell if being sarcastic or...
Sarcastic.
Also i'm still on board with the Palmar train. YES to victory! 
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Sandroba, why do you think I'm mafia? oo
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I think Palmar / Syllogism / Radfield should just play a hydra named Palmogisfield simply because that is an awesome name.
If you agree send in "YES" to Protactinium.
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Its day 1, I'm comfortably ignoring all of that cephiro / gonzaw have typed so far.
If someone could make a TL:DR ?
Or is it just : I THIKN YOUR MAFIA
NO I THINK U R
forever el fin ?
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As of now I'm going to give 1 to Cephiro, 1 to Viscera eyes, 1 to Radfield and 2 I haven't decided yet. Wiggles is looking good with Meapak probably. Anyway just going to be open about where I'm voting and who I feel I want to stick around.
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Ok, I'll check it out 2morro. And if thats the plan I'll go with it. Probably will put my 4 on Cephiro =)
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On May 02 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway, I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be some sort of reentry into the game for some, so assuming Sand is scum and you guys kill us both, if it's a town-related power, you should bring me back.
I have reads, but I'm holding them hostage until after I flip. Bring me back, and we'll kill all the scums.
They're gooooooooood too.
I can't tell if you just aren't caring if you die or if you're just confident you'll get enough votes to live. This isn't the VE that is quiet conserved and waiting to hear others out before judging. As nice as it was for you to say I'd get a vote I'm quite worried about you personally.
I'm happy with having the situation be give 4 votes to someone and 1 to someone else. I think its a cool idea especially because we'll see the people who just won't follow it at all. And we'll see those who are just following lemming like. Anyway as of now I'm going to give my 4 to Cephiro and 1 to Meapak because I don't know if others will vote for him and I have liked him so far. Cephiro gets my 4 based on my meta reads of him. I'm not completely sure hes town, but he seems it to me from posts here and in PM land. I geuss its obvious no1 is completely sure of anything yet ^^
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This is tough to figure out. I'm happy with VE dying honestly. I think his play is just much different then when hes town. There's not much more to say on that issue.
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Heyo guys, I have some tournament games today then some RL things to deal with. I've read over a bit but not too much.
Syllogism thinks I'm scum as a side point. I'm not I've been trying to read through and see how everyone is playing different or anti-town.
Palmar you said the point of this game is to find townies. I can agree, but the reason you usually look for mafia is because its easy for anyone to fake being "like" a townie. The symptoms for being mafia are quite different. Someone can look "like a townie" and still have mafia symptoms. So for me I'm looking for those symptoms. Try and find those who aren't actively trying to help out.
Anyway be back online tonight with some ideas.
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Heyo,
So I figured I'll reveal what I told syllo in Pm's a bit ago. Whenever I was mafia with Gonzaw in a newbie game a while back he was just always raging and mad and just very angry. I think Gonzaw started off with that sort of thing with his oppinions against Cephiro. So that was why I thought there was a chance hes mafia.
I haven't been reading too too closely, but the fact that Cephiro put 4 votes on VE makes him look a small percentage better. Cephiro is still probably one of my top candidates for being town. As for being mafia I'm really unsure other then Gonzaw. Syllo scares me, and I scare him so I suppose there could be something there.
I sent in my vote for YES again. Just because I don't know when I'll be able to check everything again.
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Also so any questions for me? Geuss I have some time now. Going to go look through everything at the moment. Sorry I haven't been as involved. I feel kind of defeatist as if I'm already dying in this game. I don't know why. Anyway please someone ask questions.
Or anyone around have anything cool to say? Chaoser how is your catching up going?
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I'd like that Cephiro! Don't forget to PM me now and again! : )
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I'd imagine Syllo twisted my words. Me and syllo are like deathly enemies I think. I'm the good guy though.
Anyway I told syllo that in my newbie game with you and cephiro you played very agressive and just ANGRY AT THE WORLD when you were mafia at the end. And I thought your cases against Cephiro this game felt very similiarly just ANGRY AT EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING. Said I wanted to keep watching and see whats happening. You've sense chilled out a bit, but anyway thats what hpned with syllo.
As for other reads I don't have anything amazing. I kind of posted what I had like 3 posts ago :[
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I liked him a lot early on, and I'm still ok with him. I wanted him to be more active in PM'ing me back, but I'll take what I can get. I'm about 50/50 on him right now. I imagine with more time I'll get to know a lot better. I haven't had a ton of time to just sit and analyze his posts either.
I do imagine if hes mafia I wont' live too much longer anyway. So just my thoughts at the moment 
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