Hey all, great to get started. Here are my thoughts so far.

Gummy - Seems like he knows a lot of strategy, so I’d like to hear why he’s claiming vanilla town on the first day. From what I’ve read that’s strange.
If scum believes him, he increases chances of a power role dying.
If he claims anything later on, he’s a liar and liars get lynched.
He also requests a medic the first night (a waste on VT no?).

Paschl - Gives townie points quickly to Gummy and spreads the love around. Maybe just a nice guy, but seems too eager.

Agne777 - Apologizes for being bad, seems like a beginner and too defensive.

Matriarch - Claims VT and wishes for active posters (but isn’t one of them). Would like to hear her full thoughts on things.

Clawtrocity - Claiming medic right out of the gate doesn’t sound like mafia to me.

FirmTofu - The question he asks sounds like a terrible scum trying to imply medic, so I’m not sure what to think (he can't be that bad). Need more posts.

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 01 2012 17:41 GMT

#122

I'm on PDT (-7) time, so it's morning at work for me, hence recent inactivity. LAL (Lynch All Liars) is in the best interest of town since scum want people confused and questioning, as well as the ability to lie themselves.

I can post more at lunch/evening.

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 02 2012 03:06 GMT

#145

I don't see the benefit in lynching Claw.
a) If he's medic, we've screwed ourselves.
b) If he's VT, we should have let scum waste a night on him.
c) If he's scum, his doctor claim will get him lynched later (when a doctor dies or is confirmed).

In any case, lynching him now doesn't provide us with information on anyone else.

I have a similar point of view on FirmTofu, his claim seems very difficult to fake.

Gummy, you're getting hard to follow for me. These two statements in particular, 3 minutes apart:

Claw is obviously scum. When I get killed tonight you know the other mafia is Paschl.
If we are successful in lynching Claw and we discover he was scum, the other mafia must be tofu.

If you get lynched or die, it will be difficult for us to analyze your reveal and play correctly.

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 02 2012 18:10 GMT

#197

This thread has gotten even more confusing overnight, but I'm going with my analysis so far:

Gummy - Townie, I can't seem him being scum but I don't think he's helping much with the back and forth.

Claw - Unsure, but I stand by my comment earlier that we don't gain by lynching him.

Matriarch - Likely scum, very quiet so far and only analysis was her defense of her Gummy vote, in which she claims he's actually scum.

Paschl - Got caught up in flame war, posts a lot of what-if and theory that doesn't help the game I think. Votes to lynch me, not sure what to think.

FirmTofu - Claimed a role hard to fake, so I don't see the point in voting for him.

Town: Ange77,Demorcef,AcesRequiem

Since Matriarch hasn't contributed much analysis and votes to lynch Gummy, I'm going with her. Sounds like scum keeping a low profile, at worst a townie who won't contribute. Demorcef is also a low poster, but is providing sound analysis.
##vote: Matriarch

My scum suspicion goes from:
Matriarch -> Claw -> Paschl

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 02 2012 20:40 GMT

#205

Claw, I don't understand how you can keep your vote on Gummy, while simultaneously saying:

It may not seem like it, but Gummy is protecting me. He is throwing accusations and acting like a crazy person just so the mafia think Gummy is the real medic. They'll shoot him tonight and he'll be a vanilla townie and viola that'll be the end of it. So we go back and forth where we're each calling each other Mafia and the mafia have no idea who to hit. They just know to hit one of us which leaves our detective open to do whatever he wants. So yeah, Gummy might be mafia, but honestly he's probably just a vanilla townie and there's nothing wrong with that because he's trying to protect me. It's an interesting tatic because it prevents the mafia from figuring anything out too fast.

If you really believe that, why continue to vote for his lynch?

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 02 2012 21:19 GMT

#209

So you think he's innocent, but you want to lynch him to distract the mafia?

Standard.

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 02 2012 22:54 GMT

#246

I too suspect Claw, but I don't think we gain enough information from a lynch to overcome the chance he's Town. If we gain no matter what he reveals, I can see it being worthwhile.

What do we gain by lynching claw now?
a) Claw reveals Medic: We lose a medic.
b) Claw reveals Scum: Win.
c) Claw reveals VT: Gummy is medic, mafia very likely kills him.

2 of those scenarios are very bad for us, and I don't think we should take the risk.

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 04 2012 01:12 GMT

#314

Didn't realize we could post in the night, daytime gogogogo.

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 04 2012 07:58 GMT

#341

I would think they'd take a chance and try to hit one of 3 blue claims, but Demorcef as a target isn't too surprising. His posts made sense and he didn't stir up confusion.

Firm, your check on Matriarch confirms her as an inactive townie, I don't understand the reasoning to check her over the rest of us, she's not contributing at the same level and if she was scum, we'd learn nothing about anyone else. Regardless, we now have a confirmed innocent.

I don't know what to think on the Gummy/Claw v/v theory, seems unlikely to me but one *has* to be the medic. So even if the other is 100% scum, I don't think it's worthwhile to lynch on a 50% chance when the medic can continue to heal Firm.

It's late here so I'll reread in the morning for more analysis.

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 04 2012 08:16 GMT

#346

@paschl - An inactive isn't a good peak unless it tells us confirms/denies/implies something about others. At best her innocence implies me since I proposed to lynch her. I can see the reasoning not to check the blue roles (why confirm for mafia) but that leaves Ange, you, Aces, and myself. We all have enough content to pick at for clues.

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 04 2012 18:11 GMT

#357

On May 05 2012 01:22 Gummy wrote:

Show nested quote +

I'll change back to Claw if it will help him get a majority.

So you'll happily bandwagon but not initiate his vote? I don't think you can have it both ways.

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 05 2012 03:56 GMT

#368

Would another no-lynch day be in our interest? According to Paschl we have 1 more no-lynch day, but we're likely to lose another town (unless medic risks not healing FirmTofu). If we believe there is a framer, the detection is suspect, but I assume we'd go through with a lynch on odds alone.

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 05 2012 20:56 GMT

#396

I thought before it wasn't the worth the risk to lynch Claw, but I don't think another night kill is worth the 1 check Firm can do, and a no-lynch day when there are fewer people and more information is better than right now.

##vote:clawtrocity

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 07 2012 19:13 GMT

#488

As of now, I don't have any reason to suspect Tofu is lying. He outed himself after a double medic claim, assuming he would be protected (safe assumption) and has been forthright in his checks. I didn't like the Matriarch check but the check on Gummy is logical to me. There is only a chance of a framer + a chance they frame Gummy, and mafia/town alike will use that same defense, so playing the odds sounds right to me.

##Vote: Gummy

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 08 2012 17:19 GMT

#513

On May 08 2012 06:26 Gummy wrote:
And why does dahdum even sign up for this thread. Presuming he's a townie he posts once a day without reading anything except the last few posts and then votes based on a reasoning, which is an incorrect recollection of the events that took place.

TBH I only skim your posts now as you've been all over the place this game (the poem was cool though). I was incorrect in thinking you claimed before Tofu, but regardless I still believe Tofu to be DT, so my vote stands.

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 09 2012 00:08 GMT

#525

Yay!

I was very active in the QT thread....the idea was to be sketchy enough to get Tofu to check & clear me, while avoiding an outright lynch.

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 09 2012 00:51 GMT

#531

The Gummy/Claw debates helped us (which is why we left they both alive), but generally just the debating of blue roles and trying to confirm innocents worked in our favor. With the DT out, the medic was going to be busy every night.

First day no-lynch was pretty awesome.

dahdum

United States46 Posts

May 09 2012 01:37 GMT

#537

Actually I think Claw's fake medic claim was ok, he would have gotten killed in the night and then you could step forward with your real medic claim, or just remain hidden completely. Very likely we kill him first or second night, wasting a chance to hit a blue.

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