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I have had barely any time to read the thread. after a quick skim and a PM with sandro Part of me wants to vote GM for being a gentleman, and i would like to know if he intends to explain what he plans to do, and why he should be mayor. Will he try to enforce rules of proper conduct for instance? Will he lynch Kurumi who clearly does not care about catching scum? The rest of me wants to vote for sandro. If he really is committing all of this time to PM with so many players it should be very difficult for him to do so as scum. So in a sense voting for him is less risky because their is a reduced chance that he could remain alive and looking town if he is scum. He also has better than average early reads and is thus a good candidate by default. Is anybody else wondering why a town WBG would do this? + Show Spoiler [*] + I am not sure what the term is but i do know that all the lights dim and my PC turns itself off | ||
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So by that logic a town mayor with information is a good thing because it forces scum to kill a townie that will we almost certainly kill a later date anyway. Also michaelthe, i think that TL town's actually have an okay rate for killing mafia day 1. They still kill town most of the time but the percentages are much better than random lynching would give. I am sure i remember reading an argument about this but i can't find it. Also whether or not you have faith in town's ability to find scum you shouldn't discourage players from trying to provide content b telling them that their efforts will be for nothing since their efforts allow you to make reads. | ||
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On April 14 2012 19:26 froggynoddy wrote: I'm really sorry if I'm being obtuse but can you explain to me the logic in your town read here? Which town read? Also for somebody that seems to value transparency l10f has shared very little. | ||
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On April 14 2012 20:02 froggynoddy wrote: sorry, this bit: If he really is committing all of this time to PM with so many players it should be very difficult for him to do so as scum. So in a sense voting for him is less risky because their is a reduced chance that he could remain alive and looking town if he is scum. He also has better than average early reads and is thus a good candidate by default. 4. You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game Does this apply to all voting or just lynch voting i.e. can you not vote for yourself as captain: I am saying that he is currently committing a lot of time and effort to the thread and is sharing a lot of thoughts and reads with lots of people. So he must be going through the thread and coming up with these reads. If he is scum he is giving himself plenty of opportunities to slip up. He would have to discuss his scumbuddies and describe why he think they are town, and explain why he suspects players that he knows are not scum. So it is likely that he would end up giving himself or his team mates away. This makes him a preferable candidate to somebody that has not made that commitment. It was not a town read. | ||
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Kurumi's profile Insta-vigilante list: appruds layabout You Numbers are awesome and make breadcrumbing ezpz I am insane and Polish,that doesn't go very well. 13 2 6 3 2 2 13 Comments in bold On April 14 2012 20:32 Kurumi wrote: I guess You're going to be the Ciryandor v2! 1st You claim You don't have a lot of time to read the thread. Why would I care? Instead of this line it could say something helpful. What is scummy about explaining why you were not posting? Something helpful? + Show Spoiler [I geuss all of this is helpful as well…] + On April 13 2012 17:39 Kurumi wrote: Jackal hates biomass On April 13 2012 21:06 Kurumi wrote: Acrofales, mind if I cut your oxygen supply off? On April 13 2012 21:21 Kurumi wrote: Plants don't talk liar. Unless they're mutated plants we know we need to get rid of. Since You aren't human, why would I want You alive? On April 13 2012 21:27 Kurumi wrote: Great, You're a lizard, so what? Still, You need to die. On April 13 2012 21:48 Kurumi wrote: Yo Acrofales sorry I need to get rid of layayayayaboot first. You still dead k? On April 13 2012 22:25 Kurumi wrote: It's not my fault some guy is posting off-topic and avoiding questions, come on. I agree that this kind of discussion is not needed, but I hoped I actually will get answers. On April 13 2012 23:18 Kurumi wrote: Or he stumbles upon a graveyard while visiting a bar. 2nd "For being gentleman" - solid reason jubbie. The only one too. You're questioning Gmarsh as captain candidate and soft-pushing me without any proof. If we take a look at your filter before i wrote that post (which goes up to this post) there is no evidence of scumhunting. Is that proof?* *Also see spoiler filled with spam + Show Spoiler + Saying "sandro scum Ace town" is not scumhunting 3rd Then, You go full wishy-washy and say things about sandroba. You say that he can't be scum because a) He PMs people for a long time (null at best) b) [Has a magical plan of confirming Town which he doesn't want to share] (another one that You're not posting about, but isn't that an amazing point?) c) He has "better than average early reads" please, prove it. Why sandroba is better than GMarsh? You're trying to look sandroba better for not much reason, like trying to sway new players opinion on him. I do not say he cannot be scum. At all. You are deliberately misinterpreting my post. Sandroba over GM because: Sandroba quite well in C9++ mafia and the 80 player game. The only GM game i remember reading was Responsibily (which was not a good game for him). You're scum, layabout. This post is prime example how not to play scum. I hope You were good friends with Wheatley and Space Core. Since i made that post i have had time to read the thread and i have talked to sandroba in PM's. I am confident that he is town but i would like to talk to GM before i decide and cast my vote. | ||
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On April 14 2012 21:55 Kurumi wrote: Your response is nothing more than just attacking me, not the argument I am making. This is not how the game works. You just agreed with my points, thanks. I find it amazing that after I made a short post attacking layabout You're back together with sandroba. Mind posting logs with You two talking? You might omit all the plan chit-chat because somehow it's so magical that it can't be seen by others, because as I said MAFIA CONFIRMING TOWN, OMG! Prove that You're talking in PMs. Just because You say "sandroba made me confident he is town in pms" (D1, mind You) does not say anything to us. My response highlights that your argument is contradictory. You are acussing me for:
I also don't care about the "plan" since it cannot happen anyway. Isn't this it? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327685¤tpage=10#192 I cannot "prove" that we are talking in PM's but i can share this if you like + Show Spoiler [deliberately worthless skype logs] + [13/04/2012 13:41:10] No name: it's layabout [13/04/2012 13:41:44] Sandro Maculan: Sandro Maculan has shared contact details with No name. [13/04/2012 13:42:07] Sandro Maculan: hey [13/04/2012 13:42:14] No name: hello [13/04/2012 13:42:41] No name: i am going to be playing lol for about an hour an then i am going offline [13/04/2012 13:42:53] No name: i am not sure whether i should support you as majo [13/04/2012 13:42:54] No name: y [13/04/2012 13:43:04] No name: *mayor [13/04/2012 13:43:17] No name: or whether i am still bitter about GoT mafia [13/04/2012 13:43:34] Sandro Maculan: hahaha [13/04/2012 13:43:40] Sandro Maculan: sorry about that [13/04/2012 13:43:56] Sandro Maculan: you did play exactly like you did the other game though =P [13/04/2012 13:44:00] No name: i was in 3 games [13/04/2012 13:44:10] No name: i was afk for the first 24 hours [13/04/2012 13:44:17] Sandro Maculan: i didn't even push you tbh =P [13/04/2012 13:44:26] Sandro Maculan: but yeah i failed that game [13/04/2012 13:44:33] Sandro Maculan: except for chaoser my reads were shit [13/04/2012 13:44:34] No name: town failed that game [13/04/2012 13:44:58] No name: it was mostly risens fault [13/04/2012 13:46:42] Sandro Maculan: what do you think about l10f and maverick [13/04/2012 13:46:52] Sandro Maculan: those 2 are my main suspects so far [13/04/2012 13:47:02] Sandro Maculan: and ace who is being unhelpful in pms [13/04/2012 13:47:29] No name: i have honestly been awake for about an hour so i haven't even read the thread yet [13/04/2012 13:47:59] No name: but i will bare that in mind and i will try to talk over my thoughts with you [13/04/2012 13:47:59] Sandro Maculan: how come you want to support me already then =P [13/04/2012 13:48:07] No name: because you are good [13/04/2012 13:48:20] No name: bugs respects you [13/04/2012 13:48:22] Sandro Maculan: doesn't mean I'm town though [13/04/2012 13:48:58] No name: ah well [13/04/2012 13:49:52] No name: i will make a proper decsion later [13/04/2012 13:49:55] Sandro Maculan: you made a new skype to add me to tell me you are thinking about supporting me [13/04/2012 13:50:03] No name: but for now i have to go [13/04/2012 13:50:04] Sandro Maculan: before having a read? [13/04/2012 13:50:07] Sandro Maculan: =P [13/04/2012 13:50:09] No name: this is my old skyp [13/04/2012 13:50:13] No name: i used it in storm [13/04/2012 13:50:15] Sandro Maculan: oh [13/04/2012 13:50:27] Sandro Maculan: nice name =P The reason i feel that he is town is that he responds quickly with reasonable opinions to questions about the game. | ||
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On April 13 2012 08:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If I missed anyones role PM now is the time to PM me about it. PM me any questions you have about the game DO NOT post them in the thread. Do not ask Kitaman about them either because he doesn't know. The game should start about 6 PM PST. Gonna vote now in case i can't be here later. ##vote sandroba If we think there is too great a risk that one of Gm/Sandro?Ace is scum then i think we should vote for Acrofales. | ||
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On April 15 2012 01:29 froggynoddy wrote: I take it you don't think theres a risk, otherwise you would have voted for him. That made... sense. Maybe i will have to review my stance on you. Ultimately we need a mayor that we think is town. | ||
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On April 15 2012 02:02 marvellosity wrote: His total lurking, perhaps mixed in with the fact he's a vet, I imagine That applies to a number of players. cough risk nuke prplhz cough i mean sinani. ... no actually i mean Jackal. wait! no! thats it! [s]WBG[s/]Node! and Coag! | ||
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"Dammit Wherebugsgo, it's difficult to type without hands!". He turned his head and sniffed at the cold, damp night air. He detected not a scent, not even the stench of that mongrel VisceraEyes. Truly it was difficult to hunt in the empty corridors of the Antioch. He let out a howl. One can only assume it meant something along the lines of "Time to go take a dump in Kurumi's quarters" On April 15 2012 10:41 l10f wrote: Letters have nothing to do with alignment, so let's not discuss them for now. GMarshal gave a pretty good warning that he would lynch Froggy if he was elected, and I voted him because I ageed with his read. + Show Spoiler + On April 15 2012 02:54 GMarshal wrote: froggynoddy This guy has the strongest case against him tight now, he has a couple tell tale signs that point him out as newbie scum On April 15 2012 03:27 GMarshal wrote: I like how my case on froggynoddy got buried in Zentor cases. MrZentor definietly posts like a scum but we shouldn't focus on him too much and lose sight of other possible scums. And definitely not worth using a vig on him just yet. He ran for captain position, and since the scum team probably put out at most one candidate for captaincy, and zentor didn't get much support at all, it's likely that he's town. Also MrZentor posts a lot and he gets people to post, so I'd rather try to make people who don't post much like Errandor and Senjai post what they think. MrZentor definietly posts like a scum but we shouldn't focus on him too much and lose sight of other possible scums | ||
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MrZentor you seem to be just trying to convince town that you're not scum but by reacting so strongly to every accusation you get you seem defensive. I'm not convinced he's scum 100% but he seems to be very suspicious. to MrZentor definietly posts like a scum but we shouldn't focus on him too much and lose sight of other possible scums. And definitely not worth using a vig on him just yet. He ran for captain position, and since the scum team probably put out at most one candidate for captaincy, and zentor didn't get much support at all, it's likely that he's town. Like l10f has done? How does having an unsuccessful captain campaign make a player town? How does having an unsuccessful captain campaign make a player that you thought was "not quite 100% scum" that is still "posting like scum" town? + Show Spoiler [I am not so sure about this point] + l10f suggested we vote for a mayor that will promise us complete transparency and that we shoud not vote for a mayor based upon who they say they will lynch. later on... On April 15 2012 05:29 l10f[/url ]wrote: I ain't a lurker, I was just busy/having fun  I'm going to vote for GMarshal. He and sandroba being very active and outgoing shows that they're probably town. I wouldn't mind either of them being the captain, but I'm picking GMarshal over sandroba because he seems to have a clearer direction for town and I agree with voting off non-active player for the first lynch. MrZentor you seem to be just trying to convince town that you're not scum but by reacting so strongly to every accusation you get you seem defensive. I'm not convinced he's scum 100% but he seems to be very suspicious. I'm elteneff on skype if anyone wants to have a conversation ^_^ I've received 4 PM's so far, sorry for not responding because I didn't see them until now! l10f votes for GM because he wanted lynch a non-active player. Yet l10f is a non-active player, froggynoddy is a sort-of active player and l10f didn't want us to vote for a captain because of who they would lynch. | ||
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It was nice to have all of that flavour, i wish there were more games with so much. I also never got to use my item.  | ||
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wherebugsgo 04-13-2012 09:15 PM ET (US) BC has breadcrumbed his role PM in his posts. too lazy atm to find it also jesus christ 6:14 PM - BloodyC0bbler: also 6:15 PM - BloodyC0bbler: strongandbig 6:15 PM - BloodyC0bbler: most likely 6:15 PM - BloodyC0bbler: scum 6:15 PM - BloodyC0bbler: wrecked 6:15 PM - BloodyC0bbler: kenpachi method 6:15 PM - BloodyC0bbler: ftw | ||
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