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Role received.
Although I'm not sure if we started yet.
Should we be bastards and break the game?
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Has this game started?
I mean like officially.
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On April 10 2012 21:34 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 21:24 Jackal58 wrote:
Has this game started?
I mean like officially. What makes you think it has not officially started after the Daypost?
I didn't see the day post. All I saw was all the spam of those damn cards.
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On April 10 2012 22:55 Drazerk wrote:
That was on page 2 and 5 with the day post on 4?
Ya I just started skipping shit til there were no more cards. That's how I missed it. My bad but no harm done. I just feel a little dumber than normal.
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On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote:
Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1
That's what vigs are for.
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On April 11 2012 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because he's supposed to be the biggest bastard of them all. He hasn't called me scum yet. I think he's scum trying to hide.
You have no clue.
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On April 11 2012 07:15 Forumite wrote:
This goes against the spirit of a Bastard game, but I have clarified the Detective power.
Bastard.
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On April 11 2012 06:26 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler [whati want us to do] +I want us to kill Macheji for being the first player to misuse occam's razor instead of an actual argument.
I also need Greymist to live. So my wincon is for town to win and one of Greymist or Bluelightz to still be alive at endgame. Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 05:49 Sbrubbles wrote:On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote:
sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it. This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying. I dislike the way you are trying to over analyse an action that had very little thought put into it. Macheji, would you care to summarise your case against me and tell us how certain you are that i will flip scum?
That's funny. I got 4 players in my list.
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On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really.
How's about you talk everybody into lynching me.
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On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote:
Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT
Go
You're missing one.
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On April 11 2012 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 07:25 Jackal58 wrote:On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really. How's about you talk everybody into lynching me. Because you haven't told me whether you're scum or not. I just THINK you are right now.
If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was.
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On April 11 2012 07:28 Drazerk wrote:
Those are mine what are yours?
You only have 3?
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On April 11 2012 07:31 layabout wrote:
Well i only have 2
On April 11 2012 07:30 Drazerk wrote:
Only 3 not including myself
Hmmmmm
phagga, Sbrubbles, Hassybaby or Drazerk
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On April 11 2012 07:31 GreYMisT wrote:
Guys! I got this! Lets lynch Jackal, he's obviously not a VI
I am not a VI. I may at times be an I but I am not a VI.
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And I'm outta here.
Be back when I can't type anymore.
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On April 11 2012 08:16 johnnywup wrote:
how hilarious would it be if there was a town wincon to keep a mafia member alive
Wouldn't be a first.
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On April 11 2012 20:56 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 09:37 GreYMisT wrote:
My problem with this I stated earlier, and no one has addressed it. now that you guys all know that draz has to keep me alive, all defense he makes towards me will now be counted as thus, I can gaurentee that less attention will be given to it becuase you will assume to know the motivation behind it. The same goes for if you know that I had to kill someone. You won't but as much stock in any case I make because you know its my win con.
Having to keep one of several people alive is not the same as having someone dead at the end of the game. In my case it would even be ok if all 4 of the listed names are dead as long as I survive. So I actually have zero interest to keep all 4 alive. Also, there is also the possibility that some people are lying or only talking about half their list. We've waited almost two days now, Hassybaby, what are your reads? Who do you wanna lynch, who do you think is scummy? The same questions to you Jackal58, there is nothing useful of you so far. How about we get a read or two of you? And BagManager, stop lurking!
1 of mine has to survive. I'll bet your role PM states all of yours have to be dead.
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On April 11 2012 23:51 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 23:40 Sbrubbles wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2012 23:01 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 22:31 Sbrubbles wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2012 16:12 johnnywup wrote:
VOTES PEOPLE VOTES! We've got scum/town to lynch! What the fuck, man? Do you realize that by claiming survivor means you're a liability to the town if we reach Lylo? If you choose not to contribute to finding scum, you may as well be dead. It's possible that the endgame condition will make reaching Lylo impossible or something like that, but otherwise, I'll be greatly in favor of lynching you tomorrow. I would say the same thing for phagga, but he's contributing at least. + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2012 09:12 Hassybaby wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GVXqD.png) Protection names doesn't equal alignment. Can still lynch him, since the guys who claimed so far have stated that any of their names surviving means a win for town (?) Congratulations, you've just proved in graph form how useless claiming win cons is. + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2012 09:32 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 09:25 GreYMisT wrote:
I fail to see how this is helpful. Its certainly not helping us find out who the scummiest player is Well if somebody is lying and a DT check's them, the DT will know that they lied about their wincon. Other than that there is an increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignments, but since players appear to have multiple targets to keep alive to endgame it's possible that that chance is not so large. So what if a DT finds out they're lying? If a townie has a "kill XXX" condition, he's not gonna claim it, since it would just make him lose credibility. But he's still a townie and XXX may still be scum! "increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignment" is pure speculation (there's already a high chance that will happen, but that is just because probably around 3/4 of the players are town). + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2012 21:40 layabout wrote:Lets assume we are all survivors or town. Town are not mafia. Survivors are not mafia. + Show Spoiler [Filters] +Very likely survivor:Johnnywub + Show Spoiler +he claims it when mafia would not be sure if there were many survivors and when there was no real need for him to claim it strongandbig + Show Spoiler +he speculates that everyone is a survivor, i also think he is 3rd party. Drazerk + Show Spoiler +based on his wincon being to keep himself alive On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote:
Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT
Go There was also this "be nice to survivors posts" On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote:
Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1 On April 10 2012 23:44 Drazerk wrote:
don't even like vigs targetting survivors
Just leave em be >.> Also all three are acting like they do not care about lyching mafia. They are acting like they received a 3rd party role and then decided to mess around. A sensible townie knows that survivors can win without town and will pay less attention to what someone that claims survivor says. Likewise a sensible survivor will realise the value in getting people to listen to them and would try to avoid claiming survivor. Probably survivorCyber Cheese + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2012 09:11 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Thought: Everyone posts their wincon. Agree/Disagree? explanation coming when i regain PC acess Hassababy + Show Spoiler +explanation coming when i regain PC acess phagga + Show Spoiler +based on his wincon being to keep himself alive On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote:
I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles.
Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that.
On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know...
Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him.
Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games. Jackal + Show Spoiler +Jackal is probably the most responsible for for the wincon claims being shared, he claimed this On April 11 2012 07:33 Jackal58 wrote:Hmmmmm phagga, Sbrubbles, Hassybaby or Drazerk He is probably telling the truth because of these posts On April 11 2012 07:19 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 06:26 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler [whati want us to do] +I want us to kill Macheji for being the first player to misuse occam's razor instead of an actual argument.
I also need Greymist to live. So my wincon is for town to win and one of Greymist or Bluelightz to still be alive at endgame. On April 11 2012 05:49 Sbrubbles wrote:On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote:
sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it. This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying. I dislike the way you are trying to over analyse an action that had very little thought put into it. Macheji, would you care to summarise your case against me and tell us how certain you are that i will flip scum? That's funny. I got 4 players in my list. On April 11 2012 07:29 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 11 2012 07:25 Jackal58 wrote:On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really. How's about you talk everybody into lynching me. Because you haven't told me whether you're scum or not. I just THINK you are right now. If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was. Him doing this as mafia just does not seem right. Jackal is also quite a lazy player and i don't think he would bother to do this when there was no need for him to do so as mafia. Layabout which leaves us with: Greymist Bluelightz Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles I am fairly sure that Blue and Grey are town but you will need to check for yourself. Greymist seems very concernned about people not listening to him + Blue's tone indicates that he is thinking about who he thinks might be scum. so the mafia are likely in here: Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles At Lylo, survivors are essencially mafia, thus anti-town. You're making the mistaking of trying to divide people into 3 factions when in fact there are only 2. Pro-town and anti-town. Anti-town (scum and, to a lesser extent, survivors) need to be lynched or shot by vigs. If you are assuming that Blue and Grey are town because your objective is to have them live to the endgame, you're assuming wrong. Of your "scum list", how about you make a case on one of us. Oh, and don't do it on Bagmanager. It's too easy to make a case on a lurker (unless you actually plan on casting your vote for him, then go ahead with your case). I had you as scum before, but seing a faulty analisys that in the end just softly accuses 4 different people (two of whom accused you) while clearing everyone else just made up my mind. The speculation at LYLO is pointless until we know the endgame condition, which we will find out at the next day post. There is no traditional mafia win condition to outnumber town, so I suspect LYLO will not be possible to reach. It's possible that you are right; however as I said above, it seems like a category of survivors in this game have protect lists, in which case their motivation should be to reduce total KP in the game rather than to avoid attracting attention. Yeah, I mentioned that on another post. I'd rather lynch scummy-looking people instead of claimed survivors at least until the endgame condition is revealed (though even afterwards the priority would still be on lynching scum, of course). Still, I highly doubt survivors will be pro-town; their win condition is to wait out the game, not hunt scum. Also, based on the two posts above, I assume you're a survivor. Am I right? As I said, I'm not claiming either survivor or town. I'm claiming that my win condition includes that one of a list of players has to be alive. I may or may not also have a town win condition. The reason I'm dwelling on the survivor question is that my earlier posts about the "surivors" on the tv show "Lost" led people to believe that I'm a survivor. I wanted to clarify that I think both town and survivors should be focused on reducing kp in the game by finding scum, and I went into detail as to why. From the posts earlier in the thread, I suspect a majority of players have a similar win condition (keep one of a list of players alive). I think this question of survivors is important for the town since there is probably a larger-than-usual number of survivors in this game - going again from the flavor and from the fact that we already have one claimed survivor in the game.
That only leaves one sweet cheeks.
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