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jcarlsoniv
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/in I will not be modkilled. WBG loves me too much to modkill me. | ||
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This will be my night: + Show Spoiler + I shall post again in the morning (assuming I'm alive IRL). Also: johnnywup and Nemesis | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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I shall join VE on this. My gut supa stronk. Last post before I go out. DON'T HIDE YE IRISH SPIRIT | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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Damn Toad, that diagram was super informative.  On March 18 2012 16:54 Dirkzor wrote: While this post contains a huge amount of fluff you actaully have a scummy stance on the game... 1) You think JW is a new townie player. 2) People grilling him are acting town by doing so 3) You don't trust your own reads - (don't worry just ask your team) 4) Think we're lynching for information 5) Will bandwagon anyone so we get a lynch 6) Push responsibility away from yourself What a bad post all in all. You are going about this all wrong. But hopefully you'll figure it out on your own. @VE: If this is your new style I liked your old one better. Yes, awful post, but I'm getting more of a new town vibe off of it. It reminds me of my thought process when I started playing. (Assuming he's new, if he's not, then this turns into a VERY scummy post) On March 18 2012 10:28 Nemesis wrote: Mind explaining your vote? I think that right now you guys are jumping on an easy bandwagon. johnnywup is a new player and this is his first game. Newbie mafias are more likely to lurk and be wishy washy with their post as you say. But he did take a stance that he thought jackal was town, which means that he is not avoiding the issue at all. Explain my vote, eh? Well, I voted quite early in the day. Do you know why? Because I found (and still do find) his posting to be suspicious. So I placed a vote on him. I can find out information this way. But, sorry, I didn't mean to offend you and your scum buddy. | ||
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On March 18 2012 07:41 johnnywup wrote: I don't buy it from VE, no reason to reveal faction at this stage in the game when no one is even accusing you. You may be trying to get our subconscious trust from the very beginning. But I don't know. You could be lying but you could be telling the truth. It's too early to say which is more likely. But I've got an eye on you. A very wishy washy stance, but also trying to establish guilt on VE from the very start. On March 18 2012 08:32 johnnywup wrote: I'm not completely sure but I'm inclined more to believe he's town. It has to do with the way he posts...he's attacking someone who accused him rather than being defensive with his words. If he knows hes innocent he has nothing to hide. The way I see it, he's thinking "if someones already accusing me, he must be scum". Of course, I could be overthinking things. But this isn't concrete evidence, and will probably change after different events. Again, he's ending his post with the caveat: "I could be wrong, so you don't have to listen to me." On March 18 2012 10:40 johnnywup wrote: i'm bad at the game first game, that might be a reason why im so bold @_@ i dont know when or when not to be bold with reads. Using his newbie status to diffuse suspicion on him. Regardless of whether or not this is true, this reminds me VERY strongly of my play in my first and only scum game. On March 18 2012 16:12 johnnywup wrote: it's almost always better to trust your own reads than other peoples reads, if you don't know their role. And yet, he doesn't seem very confident in his own reads. Johnnywup claims that he is very new to the game, and yet he appears to have a pretty good head on his shoulders when it comes to ideals and posting in the game. However, he is not doing so as a townie. He's climbin' in yo' windows, snatchin' yo people up. He'll lay suspicion on someone, but also disregard his own post by not being firm on it. Nemesis is a gut read for now. | ||
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On March 19 2012 01:29 Nemesis wrote: And what exactly have you found out since you voted for him since you haven't even questioned him one bit? I've found out that, when put under pressure, johnnywup has been very keen on trying to clear his name, claiming he's just vanilla townie, and being very defensive in general. If he REALLY wants people to look elsewhere, he needs to start scumhunting for his own sake instead of just trying to be innocent. Innocent people don't feel the need to be innocent. Guilty people do. | ||
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We need more people giving input, including you. | ||
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On March 19 2012 03:57 johnnywup wrote: For the sake of argument, it's very possible that I'm a newb wolf caught in headlights. But if I was scum why would my scum-mates allow me to get killed first day? Happens all the time. In Team Fortress Mafia, Pandain derped hardcore day 1, and me and Nisani just let him roll over dead, then we were able to weasel through town and produce a win out of it despite our 4th scum mate being afk the whole game. + Show Spoiler + I know you remember that game, WBG ;P (huehue) | ||
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On March 19 2012 04:19 Dirkzor wrote: Well, Johnnyboy, some are resisting the fact that you might be scum. So that defence is pretty useless at this point. While I'm not convinced about your towniness so far I'm not seeing you in red lights just yet. Personally I don't like jcarlsoniv. He seemed to jump the wagon way to quickly. Since I also think the whole case on Johnny is somewhat weak at this point doesn't help jcarlsoniv. Compare what I bolded with jcarlsoniv's case on Johnny... Its the same points that I bring up against Tobon that jcarlson brings up about johnny. But when its tobon its a newbie town read and when its Johnny its a scummy read. Huh? Tobon and Jcarlsoniv are scum together. Cute, but wrong. If by "jump the wagon" you mean "was the first person to tag johnnywup as scum" then...yeah I guess? You raised similar points to mine on Tobon, but they are different situations. JW has been making assertive comments and then backing off right after with something like: On March 18 2012 08:32 johnnywup wrote: Of course, I could be overthinking things. But this isn't concrete evidence, and will probably change after different events. Then, after doing so a couple times and being questioned about it: On March 18 2012 10:40 johnnywup wrote: i'm bad at the game first game, that might be a reason why im so bold @_@ i dont know when or when not to be bold with reads. Tobon straight up said "I don't trust my reads much". It was the difference in doing rather than saying that raised the red flag for me on JW. I, however, by no means said I think Tobon is town. I merely said I got a townie vibe off of the one post because it reminded me of my posting and thought process in my first few games. That being said, Tobon planning to just bandwagon is scummy. We need more posts from him, and also need lurkers to stop lurking. I hate lurkers. I'm looking at you, snarfs, Toad, sandroba. | ||
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On March 19 2012 06:15 Tobon wrote: I'd be happy to post more. What more would you like me to talk about? And what I said was that if it came down to it, that I'd rather bandwagon than allow a no-lynch, because I believe a no-lynch to be a big waste of time. You'll notice that I haven't actually voted for or tried to push the case against anyone with lynch votes yet. But yes, if just as the current example, Johnnywup has the most votes but no majority and we're near the end of the day, I'd add my vote to try to get a lynch rather than leaving a no-lynch. I want to know your thoughts. Who are you finding scummy? What do you think of the current discussion? Even if you don't trust your reads, it doesn't mean that they won't give insight for other people. And you said: On March 18 2012 15:54 Tobon wrote: I think we'll get the most real solid info out of the voting for day 1, as long as we avoid a no-lynch. So I plan to bandwagon on whomever can get close to enough votes. All your reads are likely to be better than mine, and that way I can hopefully prove my town-itude by being a deciding vote on a scum slaying. You're looking to bandwagon on a (hopefully) scum target, and you hope it will improve your towniness. Also, it's halfway through the day, not almost end of day. | ||
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On March 19 2012 07:22 Nemesis wrote: Oooh you're finally here. jcarl, want to confirm that claim? And isn't that kind of contradictory? You say that Jonnywup is town and you expect VE to carry you through the game even though he thought jonnywup is scum? Is confirmed. We haven't spoken until just now (SOMEBODY WAS MIA) | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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##unvote Not saying you're out of the water, but right now, I'm starting to get a townier feel on you. Tobon, on the other hand, definitely is feeling scummier and scummier with each post. He's floundering now that he's starting to be called out. On March 19 2012 14:55 Tobon wrote: I am fighting the irrational temptation to conclude you must be scum johnny, just because you are pushing this so hard and with such poor comprehension. :-) I have opinions. I have listed 3 people that I feel are scummy, and why, and I've voted for one of them. I'm happy to switch my vote to either of the other two. For instance, Sloosh is getting a similar read as me on T_I_P_D. I'd be happy to vote there instead. If -- and only if -- the people I feel are scummy aren't going to get enough votes, then yes, I'm willing to see you die. Because I just can't tell with you. But if enough others _are_ able to tell, I'll string you up and feel very town patriotic while doing it. A beautiful OMGUS right here. I don't understand the snarfs vote from him. He "explains" it, but there's still no real substance behind it. We need Jackal to post, I don't think he normally lurks this hard, even Day 1. I'm also going to take a look into VE. On March 19 2012 19:03 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote: VE - Contributing lots, active and pushing discusson These are not necessarily town qualities at all. He took the lead early on and is driving discussion, this is true. Scum are very capable of doing so, and we can't just blindly let his word dictate things (as I have also been guilty of). I'll be rereading some things between classes over the next couple hours. | ||
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On March 19 2012 20:56 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote: jcarl, about your statement on Jackal I think he justs lurk his heart out day 1 =_=, just take a look at the latest Mr.Wiggles Mini, he had like 3 posts d1 but he did post more AFTER it ==". Since your here, I'd like to give you this question, What do you think about lurking? Is it a Scummy or Towny trait? I feel that lurking IS both a scummy & towny trait, Scummy because scum avoid contributing, but also towny because most newbie townies tend to lurk, but there is that exception for those who are known to do that ==". as for your comments on VE, I think that if townies don't sheep, we can avoid what you said. Lurking is almost always a scummy trait. It hides information from the town. Yes, newbie townies may tend to lurk, but I remember in my first few games, even though I didn't really know what I was doing, I tried to contribute. The thing is, from the start, the scum team has a huge information advantage on town. In order to try to alleviate that, it's necessary to have discussion so that the town can piece things together. The only game that I actually lurked in was my one game as scum (Team Fortress). I have always hated lurking, and am vocal about that. This got me caught. Hypocrisy is a very powerful tool to use against scum. And yes, sheeping is dangerous for the town (Tobon). Everyone needs to have their own thoughts, and those who will just follow an easy bandwagon are likely scum. | ||
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On March 20 2012 02:09 Dirkzor wrote: Would people think I'm lurking since I'm conviently posting now? I think so but anyway. After re-reading I agree that Jcarlsoniv was the first to state clearly that he found johnny scummy. At the point I wrote the post I assume that VE had already voted johnny when jcarlsoniv posted his scum read. But that wasn't really the big point. The big point was that two players doing similar things is 2 very different things for carlsoniv. I've read the thread in the small breaks i've had at work. I'm feeling iffy about sandroba. I just assume he would play like palmar for some reason and he have not. Is he always this inactive? Will re-read while getting dinner. I'll be here until lynch. Sandroba and I are town confirmed masons. And look at that, now there are two less people that it's necessary to look at for scum. This increases town odds, so there is no reason to shed suspicion on two town targets. On March 20 2012 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I want to lynch a lurker Jackal, what do you think about that? I'm not really a big fan on lynching into the lurkers. I mean, lurkers are awful and they hurt town, but how do you choose which one to lynch? | ||
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On March 20 2012 02:22 Tobon wrote: Morning, all. I am reading TIPD scummiest of the three (TIPD/Snarfs/Dirkzor) semi-lurkers so far, because he's attempted to look the most involved while also contributing the least. And if you guys do end up lynching me today, and I flip town, be sure to notice how both TIPD and Snarfs are band wagoning to get it done. Dude, you're all over the place. On March 19 2012 10:12 Tobon wrote: oh yeah, boldness: ##vote Jackal58 On March 19 2012 14:12 Tobon wrote: EBWOP: ##unvote ##Vote: Snarfs and really not giving much to back up your claims. You have some little "oh this is scummy, that is scummy" fluff, but nothing really very compelling. | ||
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