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JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 14:31:12
March 06 2012 20:52 GMT
#1
"My name is James Lampkin, I am part-time student and full-time eSports..."

A conversation with
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about StarCraft and eSports.


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Timestamps are active in the video description to jump to the desired topic.

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00:30 Personal Background
“I'm part-time student and full-time eSports or full time-student, part-time eSports depending on the week”


“I started watching StarCraft at the beginning of the year [2006] and during one event, it was Tasteless' first casting event, and he'd mentioned that he was worried that he was going to get flamed on this site called Teamliquid and I looked into it, googled it a little bit, found out what it was and got hooked immediately!”

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02:00 First encounter with StarCraft
“It was probably around 2002 that I played it. I played Single Player, cheated through Single Player didn't really get too much into Multiplayer [...]”

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03:28 Comparing Brood War and Wings of Liberty Single Player
“It is a completely different feel, when I play Brood War single player now I get super nostalgic [...]”


“[...] I found it [Brood War] got a lot more emotion out of me than some of the StarCraft II stuff even though it's a huge cinematic experience [...]”

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04:14 Starting off at Teamliquid and the path to becoming Marketing Manager
“As far as becoming Marketing Manager goes, I still focus on a lot of other things and I think most of our jobs require that. [...] It's a lot of business decisions and a lot of business talking and figuring out our strategies for things [...]”

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07:26 Main ways Pro Teams are funded at the moment
“For most teams I think the majority of it comes from pure sponsorship dollars and I think a lot of teams are making a conscious effort trying to move away from that because it's not really sustainable.”


“I think in the future what you are going to see a big focus on is that we all will still have sponsors but it won't be as heavy a reliance on it”

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09:15 So you will focus on selling your own products – How come TL is always sold out of shirts?
“When we designed that shirt, we actually made a massive mistake...”


“With the new stuff we are going to be doing for the team and the site the tournaround time and the production will be a lot shorter”

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10:30 The basic blue shirts – Will they ever come back?
“We made a conscious decision at one point to focus on the horse brand, the horse logo...”

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11:24 Talking eSports future – Pay-Per-View (as seen in MLG Winter Arena) the way to go?
“I believe Pay-Per-View isn't for every league but in general there needs to be more money coming into the scene and less money leaving it and one of the ways to do that is Pay-Per-View. I am pretty open to it!”

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14:20 Implementation of a governing body like MLB, NFL etc. where the teams help fund the league rather than third party tournaments?

“Not for sometime and I'll tell you why...”

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16:00 Steps to be taken to monetize eSports and what will the community have to expect?
“There's been a lot of polls and a lot of discourse amongst the community about what's the right way to do it and what I would feel comfortable doing. I don't really take that too much value. Yeah, you have to take the community's opinion into consideration but if you go based on what the people in the community say, these organizations simply won't exist and also I think people aren't necessarily honest with themselves...”


“I don't think you can make business decisions based on that, and that's not a Teamliquid opinion, this is just me.”

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18:00 eSports changing, does the community attitude need to change?
“There is only going to be a change when content providers force a change...”


“eSports is pretty unique, In no other Sport is it where you can have such direct access to executives of these companies […] Imagine Jerry Jones from the Dallas Cowboys getting on a message board and you tell him 'No man, you're killing football!' [...]”

“Fans vote with their wallet, fans don't vote verbally. If you go and buy it you've told the content provider it was successful. So if 20.000 people buy MLG the community has told MLG it is a good thing...”

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20:20 Official Teamliquid stand on this? (regarding the fact that it wasn't featured in the calendar)

“I don't think everybody is going to switch over to Pay-Per-View immediately […] IPL said they are going to stick with Freemium and NASL as well...”


“The most important thing is that we keep growing the audience. I think we have shown that this thing [PPV] has a chance but it is not where it is fully sustainable yet. It needs a bigger audience...”

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22:55 The influence of Teamliquid (site, team, everything) on foreign eSports – Where would the scene be without Teamliquid?

“Teamliquid basically carried Brood War for its entire eSports career outside of Korea...”

“It's hard to guess what would have happened without it, but as far as its existence, it's incredibly, incredibly important in the history of foreign eSports...”

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24:28 Release of StarCraft II meant a massive increase in numbers and substantial growth for Teamliquid – Do you think Heart of the Swarm has the same potential?

“I think there will be a big bump. I have talked to Blizzard about this, they were pretty open about the fact that a lot of people buy StarCraft II just to play the single player...”

“I think there is a lot of room for Youtube commentators and content providers to capitalize on that and capture new fans and I think they will! [...] And the fact that we have to shots of that with Heart of the Swarm and Legacy of the Void is pretty cool...”
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25:33 How closely do you [Teamliquid] work together with Blizzard? (relating to the fact that Blizzard included community maps in the Season 7 Map Pool)

“When it's appropriate we want to get really good engaging content from Blizzard and do cool projects like that but it's not something we rely on in our day-to-day...”

“There's an eSports team we talk to, there is a community team we talk to, there is Bob Colayco in the PR team who we talk to for interviews and things like that. There is pretty steady communication back and forth”
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27:55 APRIL IS COMING! Brood War Pro's switching to StarCraft II
“It's happening in April, April is coming! ”


“It's just kind of a rumour. There is people training now in StarCraft II who've been training for a while and will slowly transition; a bunch of B-teamers and some A-teamers and people who retired and are investigating it but it's not some kind of cataclysmic event where all the foreigners are going to ask 'Why didn't you stop it?'”
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29:05 Is it going to change the game?
“It's not like all the Brood War players are going to switch and the game changes because they were Brood War players. These players will adapt to StarCraft II and not the other way around but they will add more talent to the pool. So yeah, the game will get better.”

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30:05 Do Korean teams have a problem with marketing to the foreign scene? (also regarding TL/OGS partnership)

“I think most of the Korean teams treat their teams as teams only while most of the foreign teams treat their teams as marketing companies first. So there is kind of a difference in philosophy there in what the focus should be...”
___________________________________________________________

32:22 Mechanics implemented like auto-mine and smart-cast – Have they significantly lowered the skill cap/skill gradient?

“The very first time I played StarCraft II at BlizzCon, four of us went and played it, and we wrote this article […] and the very first thing we all wrote was that all of these things lower the skill cap of the game. I don't take that back at all. I think it's very clear that they lowered the skill cap of the game. It makes it much easier for Noobies to keep up with Pros...”

“Just the nature of the game engine and those sorts of mechanics; it's an easier game. It's not necessarily a worse game but a lot of people probably contest that.”
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33:54 Favorite Brood War Player – Hoping for a switch to SCII?

“ My favorite Brood War player was (Z)sAviOr and I don't think he will be switching to StarCraft II anytime soon ”
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34:18 Favorite StarCraft II Player

“(P)LiquidHerO is my favorite StarCraft II player.”

___________________________________________________________

34:40 Kennigit's Intel Extreme Masters World Championship Predictions

    Group A (no particular order):
  • (P)Violet
  • (T)MMA
  • (P)JYP

    Group B
    “I would love Grubby to get out of that group.”
    “I actually don't know who comes out of that group.”


    Group C (in order)
  • (T)PuMa
  • (Z)Zenio
  • (Z)DIMAGA/(T)SeleCT

    Group D (in order)
  • (T)SuperNoVa
  • (T)Kas “That guy is sick. He's really good!”
  • (P)Feast “Because he has (P)Grubby there with him to coach him.” or (Z)IdrA

    IEM Winner Prediction:
    “I don't know […] I guess (T)MMA is an easy pick.”
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40:30 Holding StarCraft tournaments at conventions – Do StarCraft II tournaments still need conventions (rather than being standalone events)?


“Yeah, absolutely... The only reason they wouldn't need it is if they could maintain the same audience and the same exposure for sponsors at the same price point. Because Intel has that hall already there with CeBIT and there is 100.000 people coming in for CeBIT already, there is no real situation I can see where you can add 150.000$ in cost for a hall to ESL and still maintain that audience at a standalone event. There is no real point in doing that. That money can go somewhere else...”

“That's how you build new audiences by exposing it to people at gaming shows and tech conventions who haven't necessarily seen it before...”
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42:38 How polished/professional does casting need to be? (in relation to the racism/sexism in casting thread)

“I find with a lot of traditional sports casters, professionalism comes off as phoniness...”
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45:22 Katu calling Dragon a stream cheater – Where is the line between goofy and unprofessional?

“If you are accusing somebody of cheating; I mean in StarCraft II, literally the worst thing you can do is cheat. […] to throw that out casually I think is pretty dumb. The guy obviously learnt his lesson but I think the reaction was pretty appropriate from people to demand more out of casters...”
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46:49 How much money is there really in StarCraft II? Why player salaries are not made public / Cash flow in the scene

“Player salaries aren't public […] the reason for that, honestly, […] is because teams and organizations can't brag about them yet...”

“Organizations want more money coming in from the audience as there is right now...”
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49:49 Implementing new features on Teamliquid and thinking outside the box in eSports
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52:35 Shout-outs
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53:43 What can people do to help out the community?
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EXTRA:
54:53 Jason “InsidiA” Pun – a 15 year old TL.net member who reached out to the community and does amazing designs and overlays (including the one for In The Spotlight)

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Josh111
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
March 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#2
Wow really good watch! nice job
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 06 2012 21:40 GMT
#3
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job


Glad you liked it.
✉ Tweets @sc2channel ⌦ Blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/JOJO ⌫ "Arbiterssss... build more arbiterssss." Click 'Profile' for awesome shiro art!
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
March 06 2012 21:46 GMT
#4
Respect for naming sAviOr as favorite player, a lot of people would have shied away from that these days (especially so in an interview or something).

He's still my second favorite too.
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
March 06 2012 21:48 GMT
#5
look forward to listening to this when I get home
RIP MBC Game Hero
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
March 06 2012 21:54 GMT
#6
Interesting interview, though I have to say a lot of stuff in there I just don't agree with. This is especially on Kenni's stance towards PPV aswell as HotS and LotV.

PPV vs Growth:
PPV will simply make growth practically non-existant for that particular event*. There are obviously two outcomes of PPV, success or failure.
- If it is success, then the PPV event will be leeching on other events to bring in the growth. Furtheremore, if it is normal that PPV is success, then those events that are playing for free will move on to PPV, because frankly, why not? This would likely just stop esports dead cold, because you are limiting growth so much.
- If it is failure, well then I'd assume the tournament organizers would stop PPV and in unlikely worst case scenario go belly up.
As I see it, for PPV to work longterm for SC2 scene, the organizers would have to have some honor code between themselves to only have like max 50% of their events PPV, so all the organizers are taking part in growing the scene while still getting a part of the cake.
Nonetheless, I think PPV is a terrible decision in current state of the scene. This is especially considering that MLG was taking expenses I feel should be on the teams to take, the flights, the stay etc. While I understand that they wouldn't have had the same talent(koreans) without it, I feel this is kind of crazy step to take, going from "we're to poor, help us" to "look ok this is PPV but we're getting the best of the best here, don't worry because of the PPV you are paying thx gl".


Concerning Katu: I feel the community made a way to much deal about it. It was stupid by him no doubt, he deserved maybe some of it, but from my POV it was pretty clear that he wasn't being serious and far from accusing him of stream cheating. I also find the situation kind of funny seeing as I doubt with the same comment made about a player that had nothing bad on his back, this would not have been an issue in the least. So in essence a player with cheating on his back gets the right to qq(well his fans, afaik Dragon was rather indifferent after the apology?). I mean it's a part of his history in esports now, I think he aswell as his fans have just got to deal a joke here and there.


* People could probably make an argument that it would perhaps increase the barcraft scene and through that, perhaps increase sponsors(bars), but I kind of think that is stretching.
SilentVico
Profile Joined August 2011
United States128 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 22:01:34
March 06 2012 22:01 GMT
#7
cool read
"words will hurt forever"
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
March 06 2012 22:03 GMT
#8
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job

You watched a 50 min video in 22 minutes? Also, Great interview, definetly enjoyed it.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 22:07:00
March 06 2012 22:06 GMT
#9
this is how kennigit got hooked into tl

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=45486
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
March 06 2012 22:10 GMT
#10
On March 07 2012 07:03 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job

You watched a 50 min video in 22 minutes? Also, Great interview, definetly enjoyed it.


chill he can read transcription, just like i did (:
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
March 06 2012 22:14 GMT
#11
thanks for typing it out, was an interesting read!
This is our town, scrub
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
March 06 2012 22:16 GMT
#12
On March 07 2012 07:06 Hyperionnn wrote:
this is how kennigit got hooked into tl

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=45486


woh, is that his first post?

...mind bl0wn
My religion is Starcraft
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 06 2012 22:16 GMT
#13
On March 07 2012 07:10 Hyperionnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 07:03 grush57 wrote:
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job

You watched a 50 min video in 22 minutes? Also, Great interview, definetly enjoyed it.


chill he can read transcription, just like i did (:


He can also jump to the parts he wants to listen to/watch by using the timestamps in the video description.


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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25990 Posts
March 06 2012 22:22 GMT
#14
On March 07 2012 07:10 Hyperionnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 07:03 grush57 wrote:
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job

You watched a 50 min video in 22 minutes? Also, Great interview, definetly enjoyed it.


chill he can read transcription, just like i did (:

k... (?)
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Blade Fox
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States215 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 22:29:25
March 06 2012 22:26 GMT
#15
Very well done interview, nice responses by Kennigit.

The question about April's BW pro's switching is exciting.
Blame it on my A.D.D
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 22:27:43
March 06 2012 22:27 GMT
#16
On March 07 2012 07:22 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 07:10 Hyperionnn wrote:
On March 07 2012 07:03 grush57 wrote:
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job

You watched a 50 min video in 22 minutes? Also, Great interview, definetly enjoyed it.


chill he can read transcription, just like i did (:

k... (?)

wait did i ever explain why your icon looks like a snake with a turban?
gotta do that as soon as i find time.
This is our town, scrub
qqK
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany282 Posts
March 06 2012 22:31 GMT
#17
On March 07 2012 07:27 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 07:22 Chill wrote:
On March 07 2012 07:10 Hyperionnn wrote:
On March 07 2012 07:03 grush57 wrote:
On March 07 2012 06:14 Josh111 wrote:
Wow really good watch! nice job

You watched a 50 min video in 22 minutes? Also, Great interview, definetly enjoyed it.


chill he can read transcription, just like i did (:

k... (?)

wait did i ever explain why your icon looks like a snake with a turban?
gotta do that as soon as i find time.

wtf ... you're right o.0

on topic: it's ESPORTS not eSports
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
March 06 2012 22:35 GMT
#18
About 15 minutes in and really liking it, Kennigit is really smart on these topics
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
bro_fenix
Profile Joined February 2010
United States132 Posts
March 06 2012 22:52 GMT
#19
Great, great interview. Thanks Kennigit and In the Spotlight/JOJOsc2news. I agree that when more people watch professional SC2, more money can be asked for from the audience to better fund the players/teams/organizations/tournaments.
Life isnt about waiting for the storm to pass... Its about learning to dance in the rain.
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 06 2012 22:53 GMT
#20
May I point out that all IEM predictions are correct so far...

(Well I guess the Group B prediction is kinda cheating... )
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