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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 07 2012 00:40 GMT
#46
/in!
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 08 2012 18:22 GMT
#78
Given that I stumbled through Hammer, am I promoted to semi-noob yet?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#98
Hmm... it's a bit complex setup but nothing too hard.

I'm looking forward to this, I'll clear some time for Saturday night.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 10 2012 23:41 GMT
#118
Damn... late deadline, looks like I'll be catching up on all the news in school on most days.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 11 2012 18:58 GMT
#201
On March 12 2012 03:30 jaybrundage wrote:
In response to gumshoe I think withholding information is completely fine. This would mostly affect our blues. If someone is role fishing you and you dont trust them then not giving them information. By ignoring the question or even straight up lying in that instance is fine.

Also I am firmly with the policy lynch all liars however more in the thread then pms. In Arkham City we had Rg lying multiple times in the thread making it hard for the town to get information, and completely discrediting himself. End game the town ended up lynching him Because they could not trust him at all. If he had been gone sooner town would have been better off. Also if we put this policy/guideline in place it will discourage people from blatantly lying, fake roleclaiming, and so on.

Regarding PMs i think that they would be better saved for late game usually. Announcing who you are PMing should be fine. I can see both arguments so it should be up to the individuals discretion although i am leaning on announcing.

This players have not posted in the thread yet. And i suggest we lynch one of them.

Katina
VisceraEyes
Node
[Uon]Sentinel
Pandain
RgTheSchoworz
Curu


As usual, my excuse is being asleep. Daylight Savings is a bitch.

I've read the last two pages (out of the five that have been posted since I left). Not taking sides this early, but I'll try and observe more carefully anything that gets posted today.

As for PM's, if I make it to the late game I'll probably announce after the actual PM, I'm rather fond of ace-in-the-hole arguments.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 11 2012 19:04 GMT
#203
On March 12 2012 04:01 Mattchew wrote:
so can someone explain to me why keeping your talking buddies private is helpful to town?

What i want to know is who people were talking to outside of thread before they die. It seems very helpful to scum to not reveal who they are PM'ing and kill them off if they are suspicious of them and we don't want to hold them accountable for being in talks with them?



That could work both ways. Just because you die after announcing who you're talking to doesn't make them autoscum. In fact, that could be used to ward off suspicion... i.e. you're talking to me, I get shot, then you're talking to another guy, he gets shot, that's going to paint a big target on your forehead.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 11 2012 23:03 GMT
#224
On March 12 2012 07:22 layabout wrote:

"Hey i think we should share who we PM" - this is dumb pro-mafia sheeping

"I still think that we should announce our PMs but i am less sure than i was earlier because i am not sure if town are buying this crap"

so yeah lets kill Jaybrundage
Vote: jaybrundage


These two pro-transparency posts lead me to ask you this - what do you think of Mattchew? Look at his filter, his one, concrete opinion is to share who you're PMing. Would this make him scum in your eyes.

On March 11 2012 15:08 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 14:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:44 Mattchew wrote:
why not sheth... go something to hide? don't wanna slip that you said something to your scum teammate?

scum can already PM each other tbh i don't see any reason for scum to hide their PM targets if you can explain why that's something scum would want to do then you should explain how it's scummy

if i see a good veteran pm a not so good newbie that will raise an alarm really quickly.

prplhz is my homeboy. coupled with the fact that matt's argument and suspicion has been idiotic thus far, I shall place an

FOS on Mattchew.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 12 2012 17:34 GMT
#302
On March 13 2012 01:21 Curu wrote:
I also don't buy this "don't lynch him yet, he's a good player etc etc" there is only one person I would extend this rule to and that is Mig because he is a crushing Town player and an awful scum player. You lynch based on who you think has the highest probability to flip scum, way back in the day when I was on the scumteam we were able to pull out a dominating victory because people kept pushing "don't lynch Curu/chaoser/Mig/etc yet because they are good players (we were all scum)," ended up constantly lynching newbies and Palmar, who was the one pushing pretty hard for all 3 of us. was then killed. Palmar's cases faded from memory and we cruised through the rest of the game.


Oh dear... I think Palmar has become that player.


Sentinel's vote is even worse, there are different merits and failures for sharing/not sharing who you are PMing. Neither option is inherently pro Town or pro Mafia, wanting a lynch on him because he advised sharing who you PM with is absurd.


I am waiting on a rationale that has not yet come. The reason I FOS'ed him is because that was his only argument that he actually expanded on, and it's still a shit argument. I'm FOS'ing him because I don't want to kill him yet, I just want him to come out of his hole and talk some.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 12 2012 21:39 GMT
#373
On March 13 2012 06:37 Jitsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 06:34 Kurumi wrote:
Since when a rat is symbol of traitors , shouldnt it be something like snake? Like, Seviper or Arbok ? Wrong. I am the best Rattata trainer around.


As far back as I remember it, it is.


Rat is more cunning than treachery. In Egypt rats meant wisdom.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 13 2012 01:28 GMT
#444
God... it's late and I don't want to think right now...

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel until I find a better reason.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 13 2012 17:42 GMT
#544
I say Curu is le scum. I shall analysis once I get home.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 13 2012 19:24 GMT
#591
On March 14 2012 04:20 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 04:19 Curu wrote:
Caller's play is calling attention to himself, actively trying to contribute and bring up new cases/information in the thread. No reason for Mafia to do that at all.


On March 08 2012 15:30 Protactinium wrote:
The player list has been updated, but is not finalized. These are the only people who are guaranteed in. If you are not on the list, this does not mean that you are not in. Feel free to shoot me a PM making a case as to why you should be in.

There is no longer a traitor.


Traitor was brought back wasn't he?

someone ask in green! I dont know how.


(green)(/green) with brackets.

I thought traitor was back as well. Right?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 13 2012 20:16 GMT
#601
On March 14 2012 04:53 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 04:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 14 2012 04:20 gumshoe wrote:
On March 14 2012 04:19 Curu wrote:
Caller's play is calling attention to himself, actively trying to contribute and bring up new cases/information in the thread. No reason for Mafia to do that at all.


On March 08 2012 15:30 Protactinium wrote:
The player list has been updated, but is not finalized. These are the only people who are guaranteed in. If you are not on the list, this does not mean that you are not in. Feel free to shoot me a PM making a case as to why you should be in.

There is no longer a traitor.


Traitor was brought back wasn't he?

someone ask in green! I dont know how.


(green)(/green) with brackets.

I thought traitor was back as well. Right?


Sentinal I thought we got the traitor back because I pmed syl before the start of the game and he mentioned it had been returned, why did you think the traitor was back?


I saw him in the OP, thought I missed a post about him returning.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 14 2012 16:04 GMT
#765
I'd like to say that Caller PM'ed me saying he believes I'm a traitor.

I'd also like to say I am not a traitor. This leads me to believe I've been framed. Or maybe Caller's just being stupid. Probably the first one though.

And it makes sense to frame me because I'm lurking this game , EZ suspicion.

(Also, page 38 isn't working for me in school, it's blocked due to what I would believe is too many images? So I'll read that page later.)
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 14 2012 17:22 GMT
#768
On March 15 2012 01:14 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 01:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'd like to say that Caller PM'ed me saying he believes I'm a traitor.

I'd also like to say I am not a traitor. This leads me to believe I've been framed. Or maybe Caller's just being stupid. Probably the first one though.

And it makes sense to frame me because I'm lurking this game , EZ suspicion.

(Also, page 38 isn't working for me in school, it's blocked due to what I would believe is too many images? So I'll read that page later.)

Wait what?


If you made a case against me on the last page, I can't see it in school.

And I'm not a traitor.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 14 2012 17:30 GMT
#771
On March 15 2012 02:25 Bill Murray wrote:
yeah sentinel
we expect you to be like HI GUYS IM THE TRAITOR


During Werewolves II the first words out of my mouth Day 1 were "Yes, I am obviously scum". (I was scum)

You never know.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 14 2012 20:44 GMT
#818
On March 15 2012 05:22 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 01:14 Caller wrote:
On March 15 2012 01:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'd like to say that Caller PM'ed me saying he believes I'm a traitor.

I'd also like to say I am not a traitor. This leads me to believe I've been framed. Or maybe Caller's just being stupid. Probably the first one though.

And it makes sense to frame me because I'm lurking this game , EZ suspicion.

(Also, page 38 isn't working for me in school, it's blocked due to what I would believe is too many images? So I'll read that page later.)

Wait what?

did caller actually pm sentinel, or is someone lying?


No sir.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 14 2012 20:45 GMT
#819
I meant nobody's lying*
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 14 2012 21:24 GMT
#834
On March 15 2012 05:58 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 05:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 15 2012 05:22 EchelonTee wrote:
On March 15 2012 01:14 Caller wrote:
On March 15 2012 01:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'd like to say that Caller PM'ed me saying he believes I'm a traitor.

I'd also like to say I am not a traitor. This leads me to believe I've been framed. Or maybe Caller's just being stupid. Probably the first one though.

And it makes sense to frame me because I'm lurking this game , EZ suspicion.

(Also, page 38 isn't working for me in school, it's blocked due to what I would believe is too many images? So I'll read that page later.)

Wait what?

did caller actually pm sentinel, or is someone lying?


No sir.

1. It makes utterly no sense to frame you, and I don't even think scum can frame someone as traitor.
2. Caller is implying that what you said makes no sense, or is false. I'll wait to see what he says



Frame: Cost .5KP makes a player appear as mafia for 1 night cycle.


Well fuck you're right... any other explanation or should I start turning on Caller?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 14 2012 22:06 GMT
#850
On March 15 2012 07:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 06:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 15 2012 05:58 EchelonTee wrote:
On March 15 2012 05:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 15 2012 05:22 EchelonTee wrote:
On March 15 2012 01:14 Caller wrote:
On March 15 2012 01:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'd like to say that Caller PM'ed me saying he believes I'm a traitor.

I'd also like to say I am not a traitor. This leads me to believe I've been framed. Or maybe Caller's just being stupid. Probably the first one though.

And it makes sense to frame me because I'm lurking this game , EZ suspicion.

(Also, page 38 isn't working for me in school, it's blocked due to what I would believe is too many images? So I'll read that page later.)

Wait what?

did caller actually pm sentinel, or is someone lying?


No sir.

1. It makes utterly no sense to frame you, and I don't even think scum can frame someone as traitor.
2. Caller is implying that what you said makes no sense, or is false. I'll wait to see what he says



Frame: Cost .5KP makes a player appear as mafia for 1 night cycle.


Well fuck you're right... any other explanation or should I start turning on Caller?

Sentinel, why do you make no sense at all? If Caller believes you're the traitor, it probably means that he thinks you're the traitor based on your behaviour, not because he's a detective/is in contact with a detective. I don't get how you're making the logical leap to that. =/

Kurumi, you've already claimed, so would you mind explaining exactly how your role works and what it does? I've tried searching it up, but I can't find anything specific, and it doesn't mean your role is the same.


That's what he claims. Ahem:


Hi, I rolechecked you last night and found out that you're the traitor. What do you have to say for yourself?


This is the PM.
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