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TruthBringer
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I don't think we should lynch anyone on day 1, personally. I know mafia get kills at night, but blues also have powerful abilities at night. People are saying 6/25 is high, but it is probably offset by the town having powerful blues or quite a few blues. Also, I've been out of the TL mafia loop for awhile, so if it comes to day 1 lynching, I'll be completely worthless as I can't read any of you at all. | ||
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TruthBringer
United States578 Posts
We don't have to do anything on the first day. Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something. I admit that we have more data if we hang someone, because we can see that person's alignment and who voted for him and who voted elsewhere. But more data doesn't mean we are in a better position. If we hang a powerful blue, and the mafia isn't overrepresented in the vote to lynch him, that does us no good. You seem to think that I can pick out scum just based on bad ideas, but some people are just not good players or come up with bad plans, how am I to know the difference? Like I said, I don't have the experience right now to make the distinction. Also, there can be differences of opinion. You and I might both be good guys and honestly have different opinions on whether it is a good idea or bad idea to hang on the first day. | ||
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The way I see it is this . . . he leaves less evidence behind if he doesn't vote for me in the actual voting thread. The voting thread will end up being fairly short, easy to read through. Whereas this thread is already becoming a bear. He was hoping to start a tidal wave against me and it didn't work out, and so he never actually voted for me in the voting thread. He doesn't want to come off as a frequent vote changer, etc. I think it is pretty scummy that he would so quickly vote for me in this thread, but not follow-up on it in the voting thread even after I reminded him to. | ||
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TruthBringer
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On December 05 2011 17:23 prplhz wrote: @TruthBringer You said that "Sometimes it's better doing nothing than something." what makes you think that it is better to do nothing than it is to do something in the situation we are in right now? Do you think, right now, that no-lynch is a better option than lynching somebody? If you had to lynch somebody right now who would it be and why? What kind of information do you think we'd have day2 that we wouldn't have day1 if we didn't lynch? Do you think the only thing to gain from a lynch is a flip and a vote list? Why don't you think you can read any of us? Is it because you don't know how we usually play or is it because you haven't played mafia for a while and you don't feel confident about your abilities right now? You also never answered my question; when you played before, did town often rely on power roles instead of analysis? I think in this situation it is better to hang someone on day 1 than to not do so. The situation has changed since I originally posted that. A lot more has been said, this has been a very active day 1. Right now, I would lynch Palmar. His posts have almost entirely been fluff. Very little strategic analysis. Very little player analysis. Very troll-like. He proposed RNG for first day hanging. He seems to be trying to direct rather than participate. I know there is the argument that as a good guy he can stay alive longer if the mafia think his head is near the chopping block, but to me he seems to be trying to seem town without posting anything worthwhile at all. I don't think I can read many of the players here because I don't know how sophisticated each person's play is. For instance, although I suspect Palmar right now, I even have an explanation for how he can be doing what he is doing as a townie. Is Palmar the type of player who would act mafia in order to keep mafia from killing him? I don't know. Does prplhz pay close attention to detail? Why did it take me calling him out TWICE before he voted for me in the voting thread? Was he "blue-claiming" so the town wouldn't hang him? I am under the impression that the town has abilities at night allowing them to check for bad guys and that there are clues given in the death sequences. (When incognito describes the kills, he leaves hints behind pointing at particular mafia members.) I can read suspicious behaviour just fine, I just don't know the players well enough to read them. Behaviour may be suspicious, but is it suspicious for Palmar/prplhz, etc.? When I played before, town relied heavily on analysis of the death-script to determine who the mafia were, so the longer the game lasted and the more death-scripts there were, the better the town's chances were. The blue roles were also important, especially the one that allowed vote-list checking. That really allowed the town analysts to hone in on who to check the death-script clues against. | ||
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##unvote Palmar ##vote refallen | ||
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Some guardian angels saved him yesterday when he was receiving lots of votes ("let's switch to zero suspicion hier!") Bring it on, try and save him again without giving yourselves away. ##vote Palmar | ||
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On December 07 2011 19:23 Palmar wrote: Such a safe vote, I wonder if you're just ignorant, or if you're being maliciously ignorant. You will be called out on this so you better be damn sure you know what you're doing. If you're town, you haven't read the game well enough, and you're actively sabotaging your team. If you're scum I don't really care. I wonder how you were expecting me to play day 2? I think I've brought up very valid points regarding annul's claim and syllo's death. But apparently to you that's being useless. Did you even read what I posted before throwing your vote and opinion out like that? That's what the game is all about, being suspicious. Everybody was asking themselves the same things. Did annul really get shot or is he trying to trick people into thinking he is a good guy? Your analysis just sidetracks the issue. We don't know the mafia KP. We don't know if syllogism shot annul. Who cares? Even if syllo shot annul, that doesn't mean annul is good or bad. Syllo was a vigi, he didn't know the role of anybody he shot. Your posts are consistently doing the same thing, exploring irrelevant avenues to deliberately shift the focus from scumhunting. Then there are the frequent, "you suck" style posts. Yes, Palmar, I am the one actively sabotaging the town, not YOU. | ||
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On December 07 2011 19:25 Refallen wrote: I completely disagree actually, I've had my misgivings about Palmar but I believe he's been showing himself to be quite pro-town the more he posts. Why do you say that he started day 2 off being worthless Truth? What are your thoughts on his posts on day 2 so far? Also, I've noticed you've been bandwagoning quite a lot. For example, you bandwagoned with kingjames to vote me on day 1 and now you're doing the same on day 2. You look more the scum than Palmar atm Yes, right now I believe annul, maybe kingjames should be the guys we're talking about today too. They need to defend themselves in the thread. Refallen, calling out the only two people who voted for you yesterday is not subtle. When I voted for you, I expressed that my true vote was for Palmar, but that there was more dirt on you than hier, and that Palmar's guardian angels had already convinced the town not to hang him yesterday. I think his posts today are less trolly than they were yesterday, but just as unhelpful. | ||
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