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 where's mig? | ||
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I can shoot people when they derp, that's it. I don't have a win condition, I exist only to punish dumbassery. | ||
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If we assume the hosts went with the most obvious way of balancing the game, two people out of this list are scum: Radfield Palmar Jackal sandroba syllogism redFF However I would never agree with lynching based on how we perceive the hosts balance games. They could just as well have randomized it or used some other method to balance it. What I'm more interested in is that 6/25 seems like an oddly high number of mafia for a normal setup. Do you think this is offset by lower mafia KP or multiple town power roles? In addition, how would you feel about randomly lynching on day 1. I mean completely random, we just have some kinda rng generator choose our lynch for the day. | ||
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On December 04 2011 22:04 syllogism wrote: Our EU players at the very least should be awake by now and posted: Corrupt, Erandorr, prplhz, Toadesstern. I would like to note that you are required to post at least once every 24h cycle. Based on nothing at all, who would you lynch? Palmar why did you ask me a question you knew how I would respond to? Did that reveal anything useful? Because I knew what your answer would be, but I was unsure how it would be formulated. Your chosen path was to to deny it decisively without trashing the idea. Which is interesting. You could've been much more careful or much more aggressive, you could have absolutely trashed the idea, or you could have carefully denied it. I'm not sure how to read it though. What made you initiate a discussion with me? Normally you just call me annoying until you figure out if I'm town or scum. I mean, I have done the same thing with sandroba, but what factors control your choice of target (me) and your change in play? | ||
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On December 04 2011 22:32 syllogism wrote: You are European, likely awake and usually quite willing to start posting on your own. I don't recall ever calling you annoying, care to provide reference? I suppose the closest I can come up with is lotr where you weren't doing anything and I noted that. Annoying may not be the word you use, but just think about our last game as town together where I was running for mayor. Your approach towards me is not the same. | ||
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If you scumhunt, you might catch scum If you establish your innocence you won't be lynched. If all townies won't be lynched, then the game has been solved. So yes, that should be syllos and everyone else's main concern. | ||
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redFF's case is terrible. VisceraEyes's agreement is a proof it's terrible. I'll explain why tomorrow, don't have time now. | ||
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On December 05 2011 02:24 redFF wrote: posts useless list the very next thing he says basically calls the list useless I'm not sure what the point of this question is. Nobody (except maybe scum) knows for sure. It's pointless setup speculation to look like contributing with a hint of rolefishing. I'm fairly sure this isn't going to happen, dumb idea. Besides we could never trust the person generating the number to not influence it themselves in some way. I promised to explain this when I came back. redFF's case starts by pointing out that I'm making a list that's useless, and then immediately saying the list is useles. He's correct. Syllogism asked me a question, I answered the question, but explained why I didn't think the answer would hold any reasonable value to the game, thus pointing out why I thought syllo's question was not useful, even if I did deliver an answer. How this makes me scum? I have no fucking idea. Then I ask syllogism, remember, this is only aimed at syllo to allow me to get a read on him, how he thinks the game is balanced. This has nothing to do with my alignment either. And the next person that accuses anyone of "rolefishing" will find himself receiving an internet facepound. That's how dumb I think it is. and this post: On December 05 2011 02:27 redFF wrote: he says syllo's play is different from his last game as town. It's being suspicious of him without actually saying anything concrete, this is how scum start wagons without anyone noticing they started it. I know you know how syllogism and I play with each other. If I want him lynched people are going to notice. And not to mention, I have no interest in lynching syllogism day 1 as scum or town, I know he can be lazy as either alignment, and his scumplay isn't particularly scary so far, while his town play is some of the best on TL. So yeah, this statement doesn't hold any value, your case is irrelevant. Please pull head out of ass. | ||
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FOS = finger of suspicion (used to indicate you're suspicious of someone) | ||
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On December 05 2011 11:25 prplhz wrote: I have VisceraEyes down as suspicious. I have only a little meta with VisceraEyes and that is from way back so I don't know if it will be of any use. It hasn't been so far. It looks like he really wants to get Palmar lynched. He is buddying too hard with redFF and taking his case a bit too seriously. I disagree with his criticism of Drazerk and this is the only thing he's contributed to this game anyway. I think it's weird that he doesn't want to be a part of the nice town atmosphere that he points out we have right now, but he just places his vote and leaves. Wouldn't lynch but wouldn't miss him either. He has to post more. It's normally a town-tell for VE to tunnel me. | ||
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On December 05 2011 19:59 Toadesstern wrote: Well I wanted palmar to get back in this thread and explain those things rather than just ignore them and he did, therefore I'm going to unvote first of all. Palmar could you explain that one: for me? Stilled bugged me because finding out who's town day1 may sound easy because these things are easier to spot than scummy things but is it really going to happen? What I said about this is that I could easily agree on that one on day 2 or day3, however on day1 I just think there's so much stuff that could make a red look pro-town as well. It isn't going to happen lol... this is assuming 100% ideal play from town. But the theory still works, if you establish your innocence, you've removed one town player from the pool of players that will potentially be lynched, and this statistically increased the chances of town lynching scum. The more town players that establish their innocence, the less chance town has of hitting town. Should be simple enough. | ||
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On December 05 2011 20:12 Toadesstern wrote: Well the problem I got was that it just looked like telling people to post pro-town and trust those who are posting pro-town. It just strikes me that you seem to want circle of confirmed townies, which is absolutly awesome but there's just so little (confirmed) information right now that I'm not sure what to think about it. Surely you're not telling people to blindly trust someone because of his day1 actions but that's what I thought when I read that post of yours. Also is that VisceraEyes (that's VE I guess?) something like a known player? I actually thought he might be a new guy having something like his 1st, 2nd or 3rd game and therefore is just overeager in finding red but if this guy is someone as good as the rest of the vets in this game it really does look strange. VE has played a ton of mafia. I remember playing 6 games with him, he lost 5 of those, and the one he won, he got lynched on day 1 as town. So experienced, yes. Good... questionable. | ||
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Scumhunting is one way of establishing your innocence, anyway, you're getting hung up in stupid stuff. let's go do something more useful. | ||
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On December 05 2011 20:31 syllogism wrote: So now that you are back, instead of reading the thread and being useful, you are here refreshing, answering meaningless questions and defending Sandroba. What do you think about sandroba so far? Who would you lynch? Not sure yet. Where did I defend Sandroba? I don't recall even mentioning him. Just finished my first readthrough of the thread, don't expect a verdict on who I want to lynch until after a few hours, I'm actually doing stuff at work. | ||
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On December 05 2011 20:39 syllogism wrote: Indirectly defending by attempting to explain why you are being attacked while Sandroba isn't rofl, I'm not even sure how that defends sandroba. Anyway, don't worry about it. I'll go ahead and defend him though. I see no reason to lynch him on day 1, he has a history of randomly just disappearing as town too, and the risk vs reward of killing him makes it not worth it. If he doesn't have anything valuable by day 2 I'll agree to kill him. | ||
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On December 05 2011 21:30 Radfield wrote: What ARE your throughts on syllo, Palmar? A null read, or are you leaning one way or the other? I'm against any kind of lynch on Soap, Corrupt or Truthbringer. I realize no real bandwagons have gotten rolling against them, but I want to preemptively stop any. All three of these players are 'easy lynches', that is, easy for mafia to make a case against them and leave their vote there, basically skirting any real responsibility to scum-hunt. Something is up with Jackal this game, and I'd be ok lynching him at this point. However, I'm not going to push this hard on my own. Palmar, Syllo and Sandro, you guys were all in Merc Mini, how would you compare Jackal's demeanor and tone this game to that one. How would you compare it to a game he was town, like LOTR? Syllo, I agree on Heir. That case looked like he was told to go after you by another player. I'm ok voting him, but ideally I want to hear more first. Heir, speak up! Hyshes, Drazerk and Lanaia all need to pick it up or are going to find themselves on the wrong end of a Day 1 lynch. Likewise, Supersoft you are here now, make it count. ##Unvote I'm leaning town on Syllo, mostly because of how much he's posting and how directly he's tackling questions and issues he feels need to be looked at. Also, no one lynches my homeboy Soap, he's totally down on the RNG train with me. He's officially my best buddy this game. I can't read Jackal, also merc mini is a terrible game to compare to for his scum-play, because since day 1 he knew he could just as well win with town. So all he had to do was to not get lynched. In any case I don't want to lynch him right now. | ||
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