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Looking forward to this one. I promise to do my best not to suck this time around 
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How about you scummy bastards calm down and wait for day to start.
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Scum team wherebugsgo, sinani206, xtfftc, and Palmar. Calling it right now. At least iGrok's vote made some sense. Come on you guys, the first 5 posts of the game are voting someone when we have majority lynch rules? This is pathetic.
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On September 07 2011 17:54 Palmar wrote:
##Vote: Chaos13
For being always wrong.
And your attitude can hang with you this game. I'm really beginning to get sick of your nonsense and your constant spam.
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On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:On September 07 2011 13:15 JeeJee wrote:On September 07 2011 13:04 GGQ wrote:On September 07 2011 11:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Let's talk about irrelevant things in ace's game! This set-up is weird is completely closed so I'm gonna throw it out there that I think everyone has some sort of ability. Given that we have 4/16 mafia, I imagine that you're probably right. Oh boy let's rolefish some more. ##vote:ggq Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first? why not? I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?' "why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action. "why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further. So cut the crap. Why? Calm down broski. It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right. if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again. ##vote:ggq Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing". Bum: I think everyone has a role GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree JeeJee: rolefishing ? But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"! ##vote:ggq I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game. 1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning 2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy 3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me. 4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote. 5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread. 6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town. 7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning. 8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it). b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum. 9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here... To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys?
This is a big heaping dose of OMGUS. Your entire argument is based on the fact that JeeJee has accused you and apparently misunderstood some of your behavior. You end it with a noncommittal statement and don't even bother voting for someone you just accused of being scum. Oh wait, you accused bum as well by association. You're looking like a good first lynch right about now.
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On September 08 2011 10:16 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 09:10 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:On September 07 2011 13:15 JeeJee wrote:On September 07 2011 13:04 GGQ wrote:
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Given that we have 4/16 mafia, I imagine that you're probably right. Oh boy let's rolefish some more. ##vote:ggq Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first? why not? I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?' "why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action. "why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further. So cut the crap. Why? Calm down broski. It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right. if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again. ##vote:ggq Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing". Bum: I think everyone has a role GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree JeeJee: rolefishing ? But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"! ##vote:ggq I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game. 1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning 2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy 3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me. 4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote. 5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread. 6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town. 7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning. 8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it). b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum. 9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here... To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys? This is a big heaping dose of OMGUS. Your entire argument is based on the fact that JeeJee has accused you and apparently misunderstood some of your behavior. You end it with a noncommittal statement and don't even bother voting for someone you just accused of being scum. Oh wait, you accused bum as well by association. You're looking like a good first lynch right about now. >>calls my post OMGUS >>points out that I end noncommittal and don't vote for JeeJee >>?!?!?! When did I accuse him of being scum? I gave him two options, and frankly I think it's more likely that JeeJee is misguided towny than mafia atm. My post wasn't an accusation, but an outline of misunderstandings, logic fails, and suspicious behavior. You'll notice that he's not the only one I've responded to. I'll point out problematic posts when I see them, whether the poster has voted for me or not. Call it OMGUS if you want. Also, you painted it as suspicious that I didn't vote for JeeJee after "accusing" him. And then you called me scum, even encouraged a lynch on me, then didn't vote for me. Wuddup wit dat? If this is the kind of logic and analysis we are going to have all game, then gg we lose.
That entire post is an attack on JeeJee, and none of it looks like you're calling him a bad townie. Not an accusation, but an outline of suspicious behavior? That's exactly what an accusation is.
It wouldn't have been suspicious if it felt as if you were simply looking for more information, but it had the feel of an attack to it. None of what I said is calling you scum. Calling you suspicious? Hell yeah. Did I encourage anyone else to vote for you? No. They can make that decision themselves. There's no need for me to place my vote yet until we generate some more discussion. I'm simply warning you that if your play continues this way, I will vote for you before the day is over.
Good positive attitude at the end there, I like that. If you don't think that what's going on is good, encourage something better. You can whine about it all you want, but if you don't do something to fix it you're just becoming part of the problem.
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On September 08 2011 10:58 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 10:55 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 10:16 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 09:10 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:
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Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first? why not? I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?' "why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action. "why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further. So cut the crap. Why? Calm down broski. It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right. if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again. ##vote:ggq Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing". Bum: I think everyone has a role GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree JeeJee: rolefishing ? But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"! ##vote:ggq I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game. 1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning 2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy 3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me. 4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote. 5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread. 6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town. 7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning. 8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it). b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum. 9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here... To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys? This is a big heaping dose of OMGUS. Your entire argument is based on the fact that JeeJee has accused you and apparently misunderstood some of your behavior. You end it with a noncommittal statement and don't even bother voting for someone you just accused of being scum. Oh wait, you accused bum as well by association. You're looking like a good first lynch right about now. >>calls my post OMGUS >>points out that I end noncommittal and don't vote for JeeJee >>?!?!?! When did I accuse him of being scum? I gave him two options, and frankly I think it's more likely that JeeJee is misguided towny than mafia atm. My post wasn't an accusation, but an outline of misunderstandings, logic fails, and suspicious behavior. You'll notice that he's not the only one I've responded to. I'll point out problematic posts when I see them, whether the poster has voted for me or not. Call it OMGUS if you want. Also, you painted it as suspicious that I didn't vote for JeeJee after "accusing" him. And then you called me scum, even encouraged a lynch on me, then didn't vote for me. Wuddup wit dat? If this is the kind of logic and analysis we are going to have all game, then gg we lose. That entire post is an attack on JeeJee, and none of it looks like you're calling him a bad townie. Not an accusation, but an outline of suspicious behavior? That's exactly what an accusation is. It wouldn't have been suspicious if it felt as if you were simply looking for more information, but it had the feel of an attack to it. None of what I said is calling you scum. Calling you suspicious? Hell yeah. Did I encourage anyone else to vote for you? No. They can make that decision themselves. There's no need for me to place my vote yet until we generate some more discussion. I'm simply warning you that if your play continues this way, I will vote for you before the day is over. Good positive attitude at the end there, I like that. If you don't think that what's going on is good, encourage something better. You can whine about it all you want, but if you don't do something to fix it you're just becoming part of the problem. Jee Jee needed to be hit upside the head with a 2X4. Why the hell are you defending him?
I'm not defending JeeJee. In fact, I think he's right up there with GGQ in terms of scumminess. What I am doing is pressuring GGQ because I can see him posting from a mafia perspective. Why the hell are you defending GGQ?
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On September 08 2011 11:35 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 10:55 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 10:16 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 09:10 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:
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Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first? why not? I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?' "why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action. "why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further. So cut the crap. Why? Calm down broski. It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right. if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again. ##vote:ggq Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing". Bum: I think everyone has a role GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree JeeJee: rolefishing ? But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"! ##vote:ggq I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game. 1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning 2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy 3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me. 4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote. 5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread. 6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town. 7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning. 8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it). b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum. 9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here... To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys? This is a big heaping dose of OMGUS. Your entire argument is based on the fact that JeeJee has accused you and apparently misunderstood some of your behavior. You end it with a noncommittal statement and don't even bother voting for someone you just accused of being scum. Oh wait, you accused bum as well by association. You're looking like a good first lynch right about now. >>calls my post OMGUS >>points out that I end noncommittal and don't vote for JeeJee >>?!?!?! When did I accuse him of being scum? I gave him two options, and frankly I think it's more likely that JeeJee is misguided towny than mafia atm. My post wasn't an accusation, but an outline of misunderstandings, logic fails, and suspicious behavior. You'll notice that he's not the only one I've responded to. I'll point out problematic posts when I see them, whether the poster has voted for me or not. Call it OMGUS if you want. Also, you painted it as suspicious that I didn't vote for JeeJee after "accusing" him. And then you called me scum, even encouraged a lynch on me, then didn't vote for me. Wuddup wit dat? If this is the kind of logic and analysis we are going to have all game, then gg we lose. That entire post is an attack on JeeJee, and none of it looks like you're calling him a bad townie. Not an accusation, but an outline of suspicious behavior? That's exactly what an accusation is.It wouldn't have been suspicious if it felt as if you were simply looking for more information, but it had the feel of an attack to it. None of what I said is calling you scum. Calling you suspicious? Hell yeah. Did I encourage anyone else to vote for you? No. They can make that decision themselves. There's no need for me to place my vote yet until we generate some more discussion. I'm simply warning you that if your play continues this way, I will vote for you before the day is over. Good positive attitude at the end there, I like that. If you don't think that what's going on is good, encourage something better. You can whine about it all you want, but if you don't do something to fix it you're just becoming part of the problem. Incorrect, an accusation is when you accuse someone of being scum, which I never did. I'll call out suspicious behavior from many players in a game, but I'll only accuse a few of being scum. So no, pointing out suspicious behavior from someone is not an accusation. If scum were the only ones who exhibited suspicious behavior, mafia would be a much easier game.
You said I was looking like a good lynch. Not a good "vote", a good "lynch". You can't lynch by yourself, so yeah you were encouraging others to vote for me.And yeah, I am doing something about it by pointing out fail logic in the hopes that people will think things through a little longer.
Oh look, semantics.
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On September 08 2011 19:06 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I still like chaos13 as scum.
I don't think iGrok is scum, he wouldn't drag all this attention by opening up with a policy post on killing the smurf. I don't know about GGQ, the rest are just derp votes.
Hi Palmar.
In case I don't get the time to place my vote after work today
##Vote GGQ
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I don't really understand the attention on TAA. As for iGrok, I can see him being either scum or town backed up against a wall. I'm not comfortable enough with that lynch to vote for him today.
Palmar seems to be doing his usual stirring of the pot to elicit reads based on emotion, but has cut down on the spam a bit. His votes are useless and the reasoning for them shitty. But that's nothing new. If he doesn't come in with something decent soon he's scum.
On September 08 2011 22:30 Jackal58 wrote:
Would you please explain? I've just reread everything GGQ has posted and there is nothing there.
You and Jee Jee are tag teaming him. And no I'm not defending GGQ. I'm calling you out for a vote that makes no sense to me.
Read the little exchange GGQ and I had earlier and you'll see why. He's getting all prickly under pressure, like a little mafia porcupine.
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On September 09 2011 07:55 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 11:11 chaos13 wrote:
I'm not defending JeeJee. In fact, I think he's right up there with GGQ in terms of scumminess. What I am doing is pressuring GGQ because I can see him posting from a mafia perspective. Why the hell are you defending GGQ?
Please tell us why you think JeeJee is scummy.
Yeah I looked back through his posts and there was nothing there. Literally. Almost no posts. That was my first thought on him because of his shitty random vote. After filtering him I see he's made about 2 posts with content after that though and neither of them are very scummy.
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On September 09 2011 09:53 Mig wrote:
Palmar never hard defends someone day1 as town. He knows as town you are working with very little information day1 so your reads are never going to be perfect. His certainty about iGrok's alignment is such a clear giveaway that he is scum.
Tunneling is bad. Don't get yourself stuck in that mindset.
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I'd switch to TAA or iGrok if I thought either of them were good lynches. The question raised now is which is worse - no lynch or town lynch? One of them at least gives us information from a flip. Cause it doesn't look like GGQ will be hanging tonight.
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On September 09 2011 10:24 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 10:15 chaos13 wrote:
I'd switch to TAA or iGrok if I thought either of them were good lynches. The question raised now is which is worse - no lynch or town lynch? One of them at least gives us information from a flip. Cause it doesn't look like GGQ will be hanging tonight. What makes you think GGQ is a better lynch? Your post about him was pretty neutral but now he's the best lynch?
Apparently I haven't gone over this enough, or you just haven't read all of my posts. Here's a full-blown analysis for you.
GGQ - Mr. Mafia
On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:
Oh boy let's rolefish some more.
##vote:ggq
Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first?[/QUOTE]
One random vote on him and he immediately tries to deflect the lynch onto bum. "This guy did the same thing as me, go after him instead." This could also be a vague attempt at rolefishing. There's no way it's going to work, as any player on this list with a blue role will see right through it, but it's there nevertheless.
On September 08 2011 01:32 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 01:21 xtfftc wrote:
Because JeeJee is covering for his mafia teammate Bum, just like Sinani. The last one is Curu.. His willingness to jump on the bandwagon of people voting for people who have voted for someone else revealed him. If you are being serious, please explain your reasoning more in-depth. What makes you think bum is mafia? If JeeJee and bum are mafia, why would JeeJee draw attention to bum like that? Why would Curu bandwagon so blatantly? If you are not being serious, please start.
Note here that he provides evidence against a connection between JeeJee and bum.
On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:On September 07 2011 13:15 JeeJee wrote:On September 07 2011 13:04 GGQ wrote:On September 07 2011 11:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Let's talk about irrelevant things in ace's game! This set-up is weird is completely closed so I'm gonna throw it out there that I think everyone has some sort of ability. Given that we have 4/16 mafia, I imagine that you're probably right. Oh boy let's rolefish some more. ##vote:ggq Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first? why not? I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?' "why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action. "why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further. So cut the crap. Why? Calm down broski. It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right. if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again. ##vote:ggq Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing". Bum: I think everyone has a role GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree JeeJee: rolefishing ? But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"! ##vote:ggq I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game. 1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning 2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy 3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me. 4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote. 5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread. 6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town. 7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning. 8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it). b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum. 9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here... To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys?
4) If he's unconcerned about the vote, why did he try to deflect it to bum?
9) "Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here..."
This directly contradicts the earlier post where he states there is no connection between the two. This is also a subtle accusation of both bum and JeeJee. He doesn't say it outright, but there is no doubt in my mind that he is calling them mafia.
The last paragraph also supports this, outlining both JeeJee and bum as perpetrators of disorganization. He then goes on to state that the motive behind that could be either town or mafia, without picking a side. Classic wishy-washy mafia statement.
On September 08 2011 10:16 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 09:10 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:On September 07 2011 13:15 JeeJee wrote:On September 07 2011 13:04 GGQ wrote:
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Given that we have 4/16 mafia, I imagine that you're probably right. Oh boy let's rolefish some more. ##vote:ggq Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first? why not? I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?' "why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action. "why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further. So cut the crap. Why? Calm down broski. It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right. if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again. ##vote:ggq Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing". Bum: I think everyone has a role GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree JeeJee: rolefishing ? But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"! ##vote:ggq I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game. 1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning 2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy 3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me. 4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote. 5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread. 6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town. 7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning. 8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it). b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum. 9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here... To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys? This is a big heaping dose of OMGUS. Your entire argument is based on the fact that JeeJee has accused you and apparently misunderstood some of your behavior. You end it with a noncommittal statement and don't even bother voting for someone you just accused of being scum. Oh wait, you accused bum as well by association. You're looking like a good first lynch right about now. >>calls my post OMGUS >>points out that I end noncommittal and don't vote for JeeJee >>?!?!?! When did I accuse him of being scum? I gave him two options, and frankly I think it's more likely that JeeJee is misguided towny than mafia atm. My post wasn't an accusation, but an outline of misunderstandings, logic fails, and suspicious behavior. You'll notice that he's not the only one I've responded to. I'll point out problematic posts when I see them, whether the poster has voted for me or not. Call it OMGUS if you want. Also, you painted it as suspicious that I didn't vote for JeeJee after "accusing" him. And then you called me scum, even encouraged a lynch on me, then didn't vote for me. Wuddup wit dat? If this is the kind of logic and analysis we are going to have all game, then gg we lose.
He accused JeeJee of being scum when he linked bum and JeeJee together as both causing problems. He ended that post asking for more discussion with JeeJee, who didn't post anything. Why the sudden change of heart then, with JeeJee "more likely misguided towny"?
The end statement is nowhere near being pro-town either. It's a blanket negative statement intended to discourage further accusations of GGQ.
On September 08 2011 11:35 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 10:55 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 10:16 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 09:10 chaos13 wrote:On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:
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Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first? why not? I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?' "why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action. "why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further. So cut the crap. Why? Calm down broski. It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right. if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again. ##vote:ggq Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing". Bum: I think everyone has a role GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree JeeJee: rolefishing ? But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"! ##vote:ggq I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game. 1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning 2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy 3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me. 4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote. 5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread. 6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town. 7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning. 8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it). b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum. 9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here... To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys? This is a big heaping dose of OMGUS. Your entire argument is based on the fact that JeeJee has accused you and apparently misunderstood some of your behavior. You end it with a noncommittal statement and don't even bother voting for someone you just accused of being scum. Oh wait, you accused bum as well by association. You're looking like a good first lynch right about now. >>calls my post OMGUS >>points out that I end noncommittal and don't vote for JeeJee >>?!?!?! When did I accuse him of being scum? I gave him two options, and frankly I think it's more likely that JeeJee is misguided towny than mafia atm. My post wasn't an accusation, but an outline of misunderstandings, logic fails, and suspicious behavior. You'll notice that he's not the only one I've responded to. I'll point out problematic posts when I see them, whether the poster has voted for me or not. Call it OMGUS if you want. Also, you painted it as suspicious that I didn't vote for JeeJee after "accusing" him. And then you called me scum, even encouraged a lynch on me, then didn't vote for me. Wuddup wit dat? If this is the kind of logic and analysis we are going to have all game, then gg we lose. That entire post is an attack on JeeJee, and none of it looks like you're calling him a bad townie. Not an accusation, but an outline of suspicious behavior? That's exactly what an accusation is.It wouldn't have been suspicious if it felt as if you were simply looking for more information, but it had the feel of an attack to it. None of what I said is calling you scum. Calling you suspicious? Hell yeah. Did I encourage anyone else to vote for you? No. They can make that decision themselves. There's no need for me to place my vote yet until we generate some more discussion. I'm simply warning you that if your play continues this way, I will vote for you before the day is over. Good positive attitude at the end there, I like that. If you don't think that what's going on is good, encourage something better. You can whine about it all you want, but if you don't do something to fix it you're just becoming part of the problem. Incorrect, an accusation is when you accuse someone of being scum, which I never did. I'll call out suspicious behavior from many players in a game, but I'll only accuse a few of being scum. So no, pointing out suspicious behavior from someone is not an accusation. If scum were the only ones who exhibited suspicious behavior, mafia would be a much easier game. You said I was looking like a good lynch. Not a good "vote", a good "lynch". You can't lynch by yourself, so yeah you were encouraging others to vote for me.
And yeah, I am doing something about it by pointing out fail logic in the hopes that people will think things through a little longer.
And then look at the bolded. He's falsifying what I said by arguing over my word choice. I'm trying to get you lynched now GGQ. Cause you're scum.
On September 08 2011 12:16 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 12:12 JeeJee wrote:
This game is off to a wonderful day.
Bada-bapaba. I'm lovin' it. In some ways yeah, but too many people are keeping quiet. Don't let us hog the spotlight, guys!
"Quick, get the attention off of me!"
On September 09 2011 09:34 GGQ wrote:
aight
##vote iGrok
TheAwesomeAll is a fine lynch, too.
He hasn't mentioned any suspicion of these two at all yet. Suddenly they're both good lynches? When someone I think is scum is happy to lynch two people I think are probably town, and without any explanation for it, I get a whole lot more sure those two are town. Also, he's harped at people for voting without providing any explanation, and suddenly he's doing the same thing. I guess the rules don't apply to you when you're mafia, eh?
I hope that cleared up any confusion about why I'm voting him. It's cause he's scum.
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On September 09 2011 11:07 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 09:55 chaos13 wrote:On September 09 2011 07:55 Zona wrote:On September 08 2011 11:11 chaos13 wrote:
I'm not defending JeeJee. In fact, I think he's right up there with GGQ in terms of scumminess. What I am doing is pressuring GGQ because I can see him posting from a mafia perspective. Why the hell are you defending GGQ?
Please tell us why you think JeeJee is scummy. Yeah I looked back through his posts and there was nothing there. Literally. Almost no posts. That was my first thought on him because of his shitty random vote. After filtering him I see he's made about 2 posts with content after that though and neither of them are very scummy. I call major bullshit on this. check the timestamps, all of my major content posts were made before you wrote that post. I didn't make "about two posts of content after that", this is a deliberate lie to absolve yourself of responsibility. If you're a cop, I think chaos is a great visit based on this alone.
Two posts after the random vote you made, ya doorknob. :p
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On September 09 2011 11:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
It does, actually, you ninjaed my one liner that I was about to post.
Basically I was just gonna say that one of you being scum doesn't necessarily rule out both of you being scum. Lol.
I am actually scared with how fast this TAA bandwagon has started. Are mafia really bussing him this early in the game? I haven't seen a single defense of him yet.
I think he's town, if that counts as a defense. How quickly it's started is yet another reason to think he's town. I don't really know how he came up as a major candidate in the first place.
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On September 09 2011 11:24 Curu wrote:
rofl, so my vote randomly attracts people to sheep my vote without thinking he's scum? Clearly you think something is up with TAA too since you keep mentioning him as a major lynch candidate.
He's got 5 votes. No matter who you are that counts as a major lynch candidate.
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