On June 29 2011 02:08 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 01:57 Palmar wrote:
TheAwesomeAll, stop posting multiple targets.
Find a target, and just kill him.
Hey, also, why don't we just hang GM like a proper newbie town? im youre first post (except for your /ins) that doesnt mention the word 'lurker'  But your right if i want something to be accomplished i might have to stop messing around, dont get me wrong Hiro Drazerk Palmar GM Syllo (least sure about this one) are all mafia imo. GM however is their most skilled player, and most likely their GF EVERYONE please read my posts on him, and let me know if you agree/disagree + Show Spoiler +On June 28 2011 23:46 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:54 GMarshal wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 28 2011 16:40 TheAwesomeAll wrote:No surprise, the thread is being spammed up with nothing but technical issues "lets create a pro town atmosphere" and references to old mafia games. Dont spent any more posts on the new interesting format!~ New formats in general favor scum because they are allowed to talk about technical issues the first day, town shoots some noob/lurker and everyone is happy. The lurker mechanism is just a call to spam, but GMarshal is really pushing it. Your clock is ticking, cute. This is the one of the few good posts made so far: Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 14:44 sinani206 wrote:Pro-Town atmosphere would ideally be: - No taking lead.
Being a "leader" seems really scummy to me. I just have this innate bias that leaders are mafia, and even though there is quite a slim chance of them being scum, if they are, town has already lost.
- No spamming.
As has been mentioned before, all spamming does is derail town. It makes posts hard to find and confuses people so that scum are harder to analyse and pin for what they really are.
- Active scumhunting.
Scumhunting is obviously very pro-town. It gives the town a good discussion point and helps (obviously) find mafia. No reason not to do this.
- No lurking.
Lurking is confusing for all players who aren't lurking. It makes you hard to analyse. Obviously with all the anti-lurking abilities in this game, it isn't much of an issue, but keep this in mind.
That pretty much covers it. If anyone has any additions, feel free to share. Keep all of these points in mind when posting and analyzing. Off to play some SotIS and then go to sleep. Probably won't check the thread until morning. Good night folks! So instead of another technical issue or something im going to point the first FoS in the game. The most spammy player in the game: Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
yeah... Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:39 hiro protagonist wrote:On June 28 2011 12:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote:On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. Also, since lurking is defined by third party judgement, there's a chance that Spammers will also show up on the lurker list, due to quality of posts and actual word count. Shoot who you think is scummy, not who you think is worthless. -_- Your right, Vigs should hit those who are scummy. Those that are Spamming the thread are acting scummy. I didn't make a plan, I was giving out words of wisdom. Don't twist my words please. @Wiggles: you remember PTP right? I don't want that to happen with this thread... talking about lurkers like his live depends on it, i would love it if people stopped mentioning other games without explanation. Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 13:06 hiro protagonist wrote:
@LSB: What do you have in mind? speaking for myself, I cant think of a way to abuse it because the list is chosen from a 3rd party... The lurker mechanism is soooooo interesting. And to top it all of, something that is so ridiculously safe to post Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 13:34 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, chaos, he is a list:
GMarshal
youngminii
Jackal58
~OpZ~
Mr. Wiggles
Kenpachi
these are the most skilled/vets players in this game. Fun fact: GMarshal has never been lynched as town. Another fun fact: Mr. Wiggles has been mafia the last 2 games I played with him.
The following players I would describe as skilled, or at least very active when playing town:
DropBear
Cthsazsa
Mig
sandroba
VisceraEyes
Palmar
Varpulis
Everyone else I have no experience playing with. a list. A No Information List to be exact. You know the thing noob scum (like me in XL) post. Safe free town cred. please please please stop the spamThe other guy im keeping an eye on is GMarshal. /applause. You just shot down all town discussion and missed the major point of the lurker discussion, which is to force people to take stances. For example YM seems to be pretty much in agreement with me, while sand is in opposition, from sand's strong stance and willingness to fight for the spotlight its easy to see he dosn't care if people focus on him, a town trait. You miss this because you are too busy dismissing it as "spam". I agree that hiro has yet to post anything of substance, yet after bashing talking about a "pro-town atmosphere" you go on to quote a post about the pro-town atmosphere as being one of the best. I notice you don't actually accuse hiro of being scum though. Care to commit with your vote? Also the cynical tone is typical of mafia players. Its a distancing mechanism, since you feel isolated and threatened. Nice light FoS on me without substance too. I like how you manage to both belittle all discussion AND start smearing doubt around. This post alone *reeks* of being mafia. I'm not going to be wishywashy about it either. ##Vote: TheAwesomeAll Quick, expand your FoS on hiro into something larger, something NOT spammy Mr. "This town is all spam" shit just got real Show nested quote +/applause. You just shot down all town discussion and missed the major point of the lurker discussion, which is to force people to take stances. For example YM seems to be pretty much in agreement with me, while sand is in opposition, from sand's strong stance and willingness to fight for the spotlight its easy to see he dosn't care if people focus on him, a town trait. I must make it clear one more time im afraid I dont care about lurkers, continuing this pointless discussion is anti town, lycnh/shoot/check who you think is scum There was no town discussion only a very good opportunity for mafia to blend in. A opportunity you among others seemed to enjoy. You are not a noob man, you know this. Show nested quote +You miss this because you are too busy dismissing it as "spam". I agree that hiro has yet to post anything of substance, yet after bashing talking about a "pro-town atmosphere" you go on to quote a post about the pro-town atmosphere as being one of the best.
I would have LOVED to pick a better quote, believe me, yet there was none. Also there was no real discussion about pre town atmospheres just people ignoring everything that has been said and going for their trademark opening post. Good you agree with me, what has the second part of that sentence to do with the first part? little bit of panic going on? Show nested quote +I notice you don't actually accuse hiro of being scum though. Care to commit with your vote? Also the cynical tone is typical of mafia players. Its a distancing mechanism, since you feel isolated and threatened. Nice light FoS on me without substance too.
know were getting to the real deal, you didnt care about Hiro didnt you? hes just a goon, you can miss him, i accused YOU. So funny how much can chance everything. Yes it has no substance. Why be afraid? i just wanted everyone to know what i was thinking in case i died of a sudden heart attack. Show nested quote +I like how you manage to both belittle all discussion AND start smearing doubt around. This post alone *reeks* of being mafia. I'm not going to be wishywashy about it either.
announcing your not wishy washyness, wow you MUST be town. Notice how wishy washy he gets in a second. Oh and he calls my post spam, whatever. Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 17:15 GMarshal wrote:On June 28 2011 17:08 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On June 28 2011 16:54 GMarshal wrote:On June 28 2011 16:40 TheAwesomeAll wrote:No surprise, the thread is being spammed up with nothing but technical issues "lets create a pro town atmosphere" and references to old mafia games. Dont spent any more posts on the new interesting format!~ New formats in general favor scum because they are allowed to talk about technical issues the first day, town shoots some noob/lurker and everyone is happy. The lurker mechanism is just a call to spam, but GMarshal is really pushing it. Your clock is ticking, cute. This is the one of the few good posts made so far: On June 28 2011 14:44 sinani206 wrote:Pro-Town atmosphere would ideally be: - No taking lead.
Being a "leader" seems really scummy to me. I just have this innate bias that leaders are mafia, and even though there is quite a slim chance of them being scum, if they are, town has already lost.
- No spamming.
As has been mentioned before, all spamming does is derail town. It makes posts hard to find and confuses people so that scum are harder to analyse and pin for what they really are.
- Active scumhunting.
Scumhunting is obviously very pro-town. It gives the town a good discussion point and helps (obviously) find mafia. No reason not to do this.
- No lurking.
Lurking is confusing for all players who aren't lurking. It makes you hard to analyse. Obviously with all the anti-lurking abilities in this game, it isn't much of an issue, but keep this in mind.
That pretty much covers it. If anyone has any additions, feel free to share. Keep all of these points in mind when posting and analyzing. Off to play some SotIS and then go to sleep. Probably won't check the thread until morning. Good night folks! So instead of another technical issue or something im going to point the first FoS in the game. The most spammy player in the game: On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
yeah... On June 28 2011 12:39 hiro protagonist wrote:On June 28 2011 12:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote:On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. Also, since lurking is defined by third party judgement, there's a chance that Spammers will also show up on the lurker list, due to quality of posts and actual word count. Shoot who you think is scummy, not who you think is worthless. -_- Your right, Vigs should hit those who are scummy. Those that are Spamming the thread are acting scummy. I didn't make a plan, I was giving out words of wisdom. Don't twist my words please. @Wiggles: you remember PTP right? I don't want that to happen with this thread... talking about lurkers like his live depends on it, i would love it if people stopped mentioning other games without explanation. On June 28 2011 13:06 hiro protagonist wrote:
@LSB: What do you have in mind? speaking for myself, I cant think of a way to abuse it because the list is chosen from a 3rd party... The lurker mechanism is soooooo interesting. And to top it all of, something that is so ridiculously safe to post On June 28 2011 13:34 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, chaos, he is a list:
GMarshal
youngminii
Jackal58
~OpZ~
Mr. Wiggles
Kenpachi
these are the most skilled/vets players in this game. Fun fact: GMarshal has never been lynched as town. Another fun fact: Mr. Wiggles has been mafia the last 2 games I played with him.
The following players I would describe as skilled, or at least very active when playing town:
DropBear
Cthsazsa
Mig
sandroba
VisceraEyes
Palmar
Varpulis
Everyone else I have no experience playing with. a list. A No Information List to be exact. You know the thing noob scum (like me in XL) post. Safe free town cred. please please please stop the spamThe other guy im keeping an eye on is GMarshal. /applause. You just shot down all town discussion and missed the major point of the lurker discussion, which is to force people to take stances. For example YM seems to be pretty much in agreement with me, while sand is in opposition, from sand's strong stance and willingness to fight for the spotlight its easy to see he dosn't care if people focus on him, a town trait. You miss this because you are too busy dismissing it as "spam". I agree that hiro has yet to post anything of substance, yet after bashing talking about a "pro-town atmosphere" you go on to quote a post about the pro-town atmosphere as being one of the best. I notice you don't actually accuse hiro of being scum though. Care to commit with your vote? Also the cynical tone is typical of mafia players. Its a distancing mechanism, since you feel isolated and threatened. Nice light FoS on me without substance too. I like how you manage to both belittle all discussion AND start smearing doubt around. This post alone *reeks* of being mafia. I'm not going to be wishywashy about it either. ##Vote: TheAwesomeAll Quick, expand your FoS on hiro into something larger, something NOT spammy Mr. "This town is all spam" wow sorry GM did i step on some toes? Please expand more on that discussion, maybe i missed it, who are being accused, what valuable information did we gain? all i saw was spam spam spam, you know that town atmosphere of yours. Except talking about it, what did you do? did you give any points town should follow, did you create any discussion, did you *gasp* make an analysis? I must have missed all of that, dont expect me to post again untill ive read EVERYTHING 3 times at least, cya Edit without edit: it might have been unfair to blame you for the list, it was chaos question. Chaos gave the oportunity for a perfect mafia blend in. Not accusing you just saying it was chaosses fault, since it was an opportunity to post without information, to dissapear from any nasty lurker lists, to seem helpfull without doing anything really. And yes, why did you vote for me? didnt like the pressure? A good tactice to discourage anything is to punish the first guy who does it, since no second will come without a first right? Well the first guy to stick his neck out got a vote and the careless fos of the allmighty town leader. Sure as hell makes your case worse I voted for you because your post was scummy in my eyes. It still is. Sand voted for me like 3 hours ago, but the way he went about accusing me was pretty townie, so I don't suspect him for it. We are 7 hours in, no I have no analysis. My first 30 or so hours will be spent generating discussion and figuring out who I think is green from their posting. I'll also be figuring out who is mafia or pushing mafia objectives. Finally the atmosphere seems good to me, no flaming, discussion is proceeding, people are being gentlemanly, right now its good that people are talking. I'm not going to post who I have concluded is town, because I have no interest in painting targets on their back, thank you very much. So far my scum reads are pretty soft, but as more people post I should be able to figure out a nice day 1 candidate. Read, carefully, the thread, a lot of valuable information has been revealed. For now my vote is staying on you, since I want to see you tick ^_^Also it is now 4:15 am in my local area so I'm off to sleep. See you all in the morning! sup bro? Show nested quote +I notice you don't actually accuse hiro of being scum though. Care to commit with your vote? Also the cynical tone is typical of mafia players. Its a distancing mechanism, since you feel isolated and threatened. Show nested quote +I like how you manage to both belittle all discussion AND start smearing doubt around. This post alone *reeks* of being mafia. I'm not going to be wishywashy about it either.
I know yours, mood swings. it shows his contradictions, how he defends Hiro and quickly backs up, everything why i ##vote:GMarshalbasicly
Damn man, you must be the best mafia player in the world. You have the entire scum team figured out in day one!
Seriously wtf is this?
I for one am unimpressed by your blind finger pointing. Your just causing chaos by placing too many targets on the table at once.
For that reason I'll be placing my vote on you.
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