• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:08
CEST 18:08
KST 01:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow6[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30
Community News
MaNa leaves Team Liquid15$5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy5GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding7Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win0[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage5
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Quebec Clan still alive ? BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow Leta's ASL Ro24 Review The Korean Terminology Thread ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group A Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group F
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition What's the deal with APM & what's its true value
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The China Politics Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
How Streamers Inspire Gamers…
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1771 users

MLG Columbus - What I've learnt

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
CSSolutionstv
Profile Joined November 2010
118 Posts
June 06 2011 15:50 GMT
#1
Foreigners teams need a World Alliance
Its obvious that the world has amazing talent. Players like Naniwa, Thorzain and Idra have been able to put up fights against some of the best koreans, and that, even with jet lag is pretty impressive. The fact of the matter is though, that koreans are much better organized. In korea you have groups of amazingly skilled players thinking together to do problem solving, find out timings, etc. Right now, most of the best strategies and timings are built arround korean group geniality. For any foreigner to try and take into the gsl, they would have to realize that their challenge is not even to beat individual players, but groups of progamers analyzing and delivering strategies built to beat them. For anyone to play against MMA in the gsl, they would have to battle the whole Slayers team, plus coach, since they would all be helping him not only in practice, but pin-pointing all your mistakes, and tendencies as a player, your favorite strategies, etc.

Foreigner teams need to form an alliance, where we can see Naniwa, Idra, Thorzain, Major, Kas, Incontrol, Tyler, Sen, Etc. all practicing together with a couple head coaches (Artosis for example) giving their opinions. Just look at the results of what happened with them, working together for a couple weaks to take onto korea in Korea vs World team match? Who cares if they're in different teams?, the world interest will rise with the non-koreans doing better, because right now, many people (and with a good argument), will tell you that foreigners just don't stand a chance.

If we had a group of non-koreans that were able to win tournaments against them, the popularity of Starcraft worldwide would rise, and with that, the sponsor interest.

Foreigner progamers need to focus on their game!
Its almost like they've already grown bored of StarCraft, you have talents like Incontrol, and Idra doing anything but playing seriously... looking for any excuse to do online content be it as casting for nasl, being in the state of the game, or inside the game, commenting games, interviews, etc..... FOCUS ON IMPROVING YOUR PLAY!!!!, i understand coaching and all that stuff is needed for them to make a "proper" living, but there should be a limit in the amount of hours they spend in those kind of things. How can they even wish to compete with koreans, when they're not even practicing half the time koreans are, let alone not even having the quality training partners, coaches and help they do. This obviously goes back to the need of having a world alliance, but man, it sucks to see talent wasted.

Idra's got the most fanboys
For the whole weekend all i was reading is that Idra was kind enough to give others $5,000 usd by letting them win, games like MMA vs Idra, and the first 3 games vs MC were mentioned as him throwing away his MLG Win.

MMA vs Idra (Test bug). After a silly fight that idra should've never engaged with (atleast not with the amount of units he sended), he was left with 5-6 Mutalisks, and no more than 20 zerglings... MMA Had atleast over 7 tanks, and idra was over the assumption that the command center was still there minning the gold. Why would anyone even consider the possibility of someone of the caliber of MMA destroying his own command center?, Idra failed at something Losira didnt, which was the balance between Drones and Zerglings. With losira you could always see the SWARM!, Idra, on that fight, barely had any units to start with. Lets say the game was not over yet, which i agree, but to even say or consider idra was in a winning position, is just silly.

kirbynator
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada503 Posts
June 06 2011 15:52 GMT
#2
Nah.

User was banned for this post.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
June 06 2011 15:54 GMT
#3
Problem of geography basically. That and most foreigners aren't dedicated to live in the pro house environment playing 10-12 hours a day. And I don't mean a bunch of players living together.
Darneck
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1394 Posts
June 06 2011 15:55 GMT
#4
On June 07 2011 00:50 theOnslaught wrote:
MMA vs Idra (Test bug). After a silly fight that idra should've never engaged with (atleast not with the amount of units he sended), he was left with 5-6 Mutalisks, and no more than 20 zerglings... MMA Had atleast over 7 tanks, and idra was over the assumption that the command center was still there minning the gold. Why would anyone even consider the possibility of someone of the caliber of MMA destroying his own command center?, Idra failed at something Losira didnt, which was the balance between Drones and Zerglings. With losira you could always see the SWARM!, Idra, on that fight, barely had any units to start with. Lets say the game was not over yet, which i agree, but to even say or consider idra was in a winning position, is just silly.


Idra was ahead in everything after the fight and he could also see the command center being constructed.
Dystisis
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway713 Posts
June 06 2011 15:56 GMT
#5
I agree with you completely except for what you wrote about IdrA. I am not an Idra-fanboy but it is clear to me that Idra did leave some games completely needlessly, especially that one against MMA. I hope that doesn't become the focus of your post and it is pretty weird that you included it, now you will just get swarmed by Idra fans (and other people who agree with me).

However, your point about there needing to be progamer practice houses/big alliances outside of Korea is quite true, and I would love to see it. Not just small practice houses with a few people of the same area/team, but some form of big alliance which would regulate and organize cross-team practice.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
June 06 2011 15:56 GMT
#6
That idra part is so wrong I'm not sure if it's serious or not.
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
June 06 2011 15:57 GMT
#7
I learned something: Always scout before leaving a game, even if you think you're behind and losing badly because your opponent could have totally killed his CC.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
AgentSmith
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada91 Posts
June 06 2011 15:57 GMT
#8
On June 07 2011 00:50 theOnslaught wrote:
he was left with 5-6 Mutalisks, and no more than 20 zerglings... MMA Had atleast over 7 tanks, and idra was over the assumption that the command center was still there minning the gold.


IdrA quit when he had like 15 mutas at like 30 lings in production. MMA had no third and was essentially all-in there.
MMA had little anti-air.
IdrA would have won that game if he had stays.
However, I do agree with you when you say htat he obviously didnt purposely lose the game.
He simply neeeds to work on attitude problems, just like MMA said post-match
I'm a total noob!
Ryhn
Profile Joined February 2010
United States509 Posts
June 06 2011 15:57 GMT
#9
On June 07 2011 00:52 kirbynator wrote:
Nah.


Woah dude.

I thought the article was fairly well thought out, and had some great points!

Korea vs. The World showed great results from foreigners working together as a team, and that power could really help with results on the world stage.
Famous Books Written by Progamers - "Clam: Mastering your other self"
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
June 06 2011 15:57 GMT
#10
On June 07 2011 00:55 Darneck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2011 00:50 theOnslaught wrote:
MMA vs Idra (Test bug). After a silly fight that idra should've never engaged with (atleast not with the amount of units he sended), he was left with 5-6 Mutalisks, and no more than 20 zerglings... MMA Had atleast over 7 tanks, and idra was over the assumption that the command center was still there minning the gold. Why would anyone even consider the possibility of someone of the caliber of MMA destroying his own command center?, Idra failed at something Losira didnt, which was the balance between Drones and Zerglings. With losira you could always see the SWARM!, Idra, on that fight, barely had any units to start with. Lets say the game was not over yet, which i agree, but to even say or consider idra was in a winning position, is just silly.


Idra was ahead in everything after the fight and he could also see the command center being constructed.


And he had 20~ drones stacked on one geyser, which may have led him to believe he was further behind than he thought.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 06 2011 15:58 GMT
#11
Stick to one of the 90 open threads about MLG, please. It's terrible forum etiquette to open a new topic just to get your word in about something that's already being discussed.
✌
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
16:00
#47
RotterdaM343
BRAT_OK 10
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 343
Hui .311
LamboSC2 273
ProTech129
TKL 89
BRAT_OK 10
mouzHeroMarine 8
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 7865
Calm 6123
Bisu 4110
Horang2 2299
Jaedong 1552
Britney 993
Mini 866
EffOrt 646
BeSt 555
Stork 433
[ Show more ]
Larva 424
firebathero 252
Soulkey 219
actioN 197
Rush 187
ggaemo 177
Hyun 134
Zeus 103
Mind 65
Barracks 53
Sea.KH 53
Dewaltoss 51
[sc1f]eonzerg 46
ToSsGirL 30
Rock 28
zelot 24
Movie 19
Terrorterran 17
GoRush 13
Bale 11
IntoTheRainbow 10
Sexy 6
Dota 2
qojqva2170
420jenkins256
BananaSlamJamma109
League of Legends
Reynor61
Counter-Strike
fl0m5028
pashabiceps1216
Other Games
B2W.Neo1034
FrodaN913
hiko891
XBOCT329
crisheroes192
KnowMe107
ArmadaUGS99
QueenE80
Mew2King35
Trikslyr34
Organizations
Other Games
WardiTV359
Counter-Strike
PGL223
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Shameless 44
• poizon28 17
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Noizen34
League of Legends
• Nemesis1690
• Jankos1361
• TFBlade1127
Other Games
• Shiphtur156
Upcoming Events
OSC
7h 52m
Afreeca Starleague
17h 52m
Snow vs PianO
hero vs Rain
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
17h 52m
GSL
19h 52m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 7h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 16h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 19h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Escore
3 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
IPSL
4 days
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
Ladder Legends
5 days
BSL
6 days
IPSL
6 days
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W2
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
WardiTV TLMC #16
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.