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i'm out for the night to my girlfriend's house but i'll be back on tomorrow to analyze the shit out of your posts and scumhunt like a bloodhound | ||
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my thoughts so far: - jesus christ, 7 pages of nothing - freeloader asked an innocuous question that was stupid but not scummy IMO in fact he made it quite clear the reasons he was asking: On June 05 2011 12:44 freeloader625 wrote: Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules: 1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other? 2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed? and then everyone ignored the fact that he asked another innocuous question too. clinging to false evidence ITT? - unfortunately it looks like a slip so i can see him getting lynched today - if he flips town, we'll need to re-evaluate the people who pushed for his lynch - dude who keeps posting haikus, please stop, that's thread derailment and very scummy. i can't even read your posts. i do not think there are any posting restrictions so only post what you HAVE to - that being said, i'm going to vote for you because i don't want to jump on the freeloader bandwagon (nor do i want to try and counterbandwagon onto aprudds for calling him out) - voting in this thread is not scummy, whoever said that. voting in this thread helps us keep track of bandwagons and reasoning behind votes. please vote in this thread when you vote in the voting thread. - there are too many posts in this thread. you probably don't have anything to say at this point. don't post for posting's sake. when you do post, please make long, well-thought-out posts. short posts derail the thread. i think one of the pages had like 10 one-line posts and that's not acceptable. it allows mafia to "blend in" with the town by posting similarly. - posts that have words but don't say anything are scummy - kurumi is naturally an annoying, accusatory spammer, don't read into it too much  (also no offense to kurumi)- from what i've seen of his play in other games, jackal is a strong player. don't let his abrasive personality cloud your mind from his usually very-informative, rational posts. at the same time, please use your own judgment when reading his posts and decide for yourself if you come to the same conclusions. if he is mafia he will use his "upstandingness" to sheep us around. ##vote: iGrok | ||
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On June 06 2011 04:34 Pyo wrote: So how common is it for townies to vote for/ lynch day1 people that they just don't like or find annoying? I mean in the face no real evidence for or against anyone is it worth it to eliminate inactive or annoying players? i have a reason On June 06 2011 04:49 GGQ wrote: You didn't actually mention iGrok in your post, but you voted for him. More explaining please? i most certainly did On June 06 2011 03:44 gtrsrs wrote: - dude who keeps posting haikus, please stop, that's thread derailment and very scummy. i can't even read your posts. i do not think there are any posting restrictions so only post what you HAVE to - that being said, i'm going to vote for you because i don't want to jump on the freeloader bandwagon (nor do i want to try and counterbandwagon onto aprudds for calling him out) ##vote: iGrok | ||
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you're still my prime FoS, iGrok, no matter how long your post is | ||
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you post haiku's in a game where posting anything more than necessary is distracting and derailing you try to find the town's blues so that the mafia can know what they're up against the one thing that the town has as an advantage is that the mafia doesn't know our PRs and here you are spelling the info out for them even if you're not mafia, your two biggest contributions so far are anti-town everyone i encourage you to ##vote: iGrok and watch how he (and others) react as the votes pile up. putting the pressure on someone is a good way to find mafia. watch the people that come to defend him and how they do so and then when he flips red, go after them next | ||
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On June 06 2011 16:20 iGrok wrote: Okay, this is not an analysis. Everyone please note how bad this is. But as a refutation, I posted haikus because I wanted to, and every single one had a purpose. I did not try to find out the town's blues. I tried to guess the setup. This helps town out just as much as it helps scum out, if not more so. If you disagree, I want to know why, in explicit detail. Mafia doesn't know who is what PR, or even how many - they can only guess, same as me. Same point as above. If you count both of those as my only two contributions, I'll be able to simply ignore you as a terrile player. The analysis of Kurumi, and holding town together from fracturing immediately should also be in there. As well as explaining several concepts for the newer players. I went through your post history - when exactly have you played before? I know you're big in the LoL subforum, but all I could find regarding mafia was as a replacement in SNMM3 and a late /in for Newbie Mini Mafia I. Just curious because you're acting like you have some knowledge of how newbies play vs how experienced people play. note, town, how now that i am FoSing iGrok more publicly, he's attempting to discredit me as he starts to panic. even though he LITERALLY just told you to not let kurumi sheep you and use experience as a reason to put him in a position of power, he's now going to attempt to do the exact same thing. classic sheeping attempt here, he points out that i'm not a well-known figure on the mafia sub-forum. good play is good play, you don't have to be an experienced player to pick up on a scumtell. but iGrok is going to call me a bad player and pretend to ignore me. notice how he will now try to shift the attention of the town elsewhere - probably by using a 9000-character post again on an "analysis" of someone else don't fall for his passive-aggressive tricks, town | ||
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On June 06 2011 16:44 gtrsrs wrote: note, town, how now that i am FoSing iGrok more publicly, he's attempting to discredit me as he starts to panic. On June 06 2011 16:55 iGrok wrote: Nice OMGUS, bro. You have a habit of responding only to one thing in a post. You should probably change that, not just for this game but for all of them. On June 06 2011 16:44 gtrsrs wrote: even though he LITERALLY just told you to not let kurumi sheep you and use experience as a reason to put him in a position of power, he's now going to attempt to do the exact same thing. classic sheeping attempt here, he points out that i'm not a well-known figure on the mafia sub-forum. On June 06 2011 16:55 iGrok wrote: is that I said Kurumi is trying to use experience he doesn't have to get into power by associating himself with those who do. On June 06 2011 16:44 gtrsrs wrote: good play is good play, you don't have to be an experienced player to pick up on a scumtell.but iGrok is going to call me a bad player and pretend to ignore me. On June 06 2011 16:55 iGrok wrote: Anyways, the last thing I'm going to say regarding this (unless you keep up the smear campaign [or answer my points]) ... Personally, I think Jackal58, GGQ, or Vain would be great people to look up to and have confidence in - they're all pretty experienced and -good- players. On June 06 2011 16:44 gtrsrs wrote: don't fall for his passive-aggressive tricks, town On June 06 2011 16:55 iGrok wrote: And just FTR, it wasn't 9,000 characters. It was 26,088 characters. Lets see you put that kind of effort into a post, eh? i don't need to say much here, iGrok pretty much said it all for me put some pressure on him town! | ||
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but everyone is bandwagoning on him we need to get some votes on other people. it's a psychological thing. if you see that everyone has voted for freeloader you're going to vote for him too so you don't look fishy. if there are some votes spread around you're more likely to vote for someone you think is actually mafia i initially FoS'd iGrok because of the haiku thing and his horribly pretentious posts. i felt like they were derailing the thread and i didn't have a good read on anyone else after he tried to incriminate kurumi who is being extremely pro-town, i double my suspicions that iGrok is the mafia we want. he's trying to use pretty formatting to make it look like his wild guess is better than anyone else's wild guess - he's intentionally trying to mislead the town. i got a lucky guess and FoS'd the right guy, it's quite clear. don't believe me? help me pressure him and watch him crack fishing for blues is scummy, he's setting a bad example. i don't see how public knowledge of how many blues there (could be) are could ever help the town. he's doing the mafia's job for them, right in front of our eyes. i don't have a personal vendetta by any means. in fact, you'll notice it's he who is trying to minimize me in the eyes of the other townies by pointing out that i'm not "experienced" on TL mafia, and blatantly calling my posts bad. | ||
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i refuse to analyze people just because any of you want me to analyze them. me analyzing pyo doesn't prove anything because i don't have a scum read off of him. a townie should never be afraid to die if he will take a mafia down with him (as long as you aren't a power role, that is). a 1:1 trade helps town a lot more than it helps mafia. that being said, i'm more than willing to take an extra day before we kill iGrok. people who are convinced that one of me, kurumi, and iGrok is mafia, go ahead and lynch me today, then when i flip vanilla townie, go after the scum tomorrow | ||
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duly noted | ||
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my sights are still set on iGrok but i think grush57 or w/e his name is was looking pretty solid before i left for the night last night too | ||
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i never did read this thread again *lol* but i will tomorrow morning. i hope you guys are all positive as i am that iGrok is mafia and you trust me on the rest of my hunches. maybe i'll break it down tomorrow | ||
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i feel like no one ever listens to me. i called iGrok as mafia on day1 and i'm going to turn up right. you know what else i said? On June 06 2011 03:44 gtrsrs wrote: - from what i've seen of his play in other games, jackal is a strong player. don't let his abrasive personality cloud your mind from his usually very-informative, rational posts. at the same time, please use your own judgment when reading his posts and decide for yourself if you come to the same conclusions. if he is mafia he will use his "upstandingness" to sheep us around. On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote: You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408 Has played before so he has an idea how it works. Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues. Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum. Wants us to share them with everybody. Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite. Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am. That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same. On June 07 2011 05:39 Jackal58 wrote: ##VOTE: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:28 Kurumi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:29 Senj wrote: ##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:31 amazingxkcd wrote: ##VOTE: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 08:01 Kairo wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 08:25 Impervious wrote: ##Vote rookie44 On June 07 2011 08:29 Vain wrote: ##VOTE: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 09:06 heist wrote: ##Vote: rookie44 On June 07 2011 09:19 Jimbooo wrote: ##vote: rookie44 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://hallowedtree.com/furniture/puppets/WoolySheep.jpg) i'm not accusing jackal of being scum, in fact i think he is town. he made a bad call but it wasn't irrational. the fact that we had like 99% of the thread jump on that instantly is what makes me /facepalm anyways, continuing to read | ||
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On June 07 2011 09:30 Jackal58 wrote: I want to encourage all of you to think critically and independently.I have seen to many games where town herp derps themselves into oblivion by following one individual. If you have misgivings and doubts about my analysis on rookie by all means bring it up for discussion. If you believe you have found a better alternative by all means bring it forward. | ||
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iGrok amazingxckd grush57 lafali lafali confirmed via modkill, check one for me ++ possible scum: jimboo probable town: kurumi freeloader appruds sprungjeezy extremely uncertain: impervous pyo (i have moved him from definite town to probable town to possible mafia back to probable town and i still have pages left to read) treadmill (i had a special category for you, "definite town" because i was 10000% certain you were town. but after snoozing through your 2 essays i'm not so sure) iGrok On June 08 2011 20:16 iGrok wrote: I believe that gtrsrs is scum. ![[image loading]](http://i53.tinypic.com/qsutld.gif) suck my nads. pyo and Sprungjeezy have expressed how i feel about you extremely well. i had nothing to go on for my first vote so i voted for the douchiest dude in the topic. i remember the first time i played as a godfather in a forum game, i made HUGE posts reaching into previous games for quotes to show that someone's attitude had changed blah blah blah just to get him lynched, when it was all bullshit. you did the exact same thing on kurumi, and then IMMEDIATELY withdrew to hop on someone else. your every attempt to defend yourself has been calling me bad (which i predicted you would do), trying to get attention from so-called good players to clear yourself, and encouraging other players so you look pro-town. i'm 100% certain you are mafia by now. you left both pyo and i alive to "clear" yourself since we're tunneling you so hard, and also so you could lump us together as potential mafia. it's possible you're bussing either pyo or kurumi but i doubt it. i will stand by my previous statement. anyone that agrees with iGrok, go ahead and vote to lynch me. i'm a non-rolled townie and i'm happy to die to get the godfather lynched. when i die hopefully you'll go after my other targets as well grush57 the only times you've showed up in this game were to (a)bandwagon (b)respond to FoS's on you by accusing someone else (c)QQ you're mafia amazingxckd you're mafia, lol. enough people have analyzed you and i agree with their analysis that i won't bother to repeat it treadmill you seem town but your 2 essays really derailed the topic and didn't really say much. you're kinda wishy-washy and i don't know why you're defending the OBVIOUS mafia iGrok so heartily. i think it's likely that you're defending him because you honestly don't believe he's mafia, and he's jumping onto that and defending you so you look like the 2 shining town beacons. unfortunately when he flips red i don't think that will give us any info on you. you're also a very unlikely mafia hit and i don't think i could convince the town to use a vigi shot on you. if iGrok somehow inexplicably does flip green, you're definite red. Jimboo whatever. i'm not 100% sold on any analysis and i won't commit to a lynch on you. i won't have strong feelings if you flip red OR green. if you're mafia why don't you just admit it and save us some time anyway those are my feelings. if iGrok isn't dead tomorrow maybe i'll be arsed to do a post-by-pretentious-post analysis of his misleadings, but instead, it'd be nice if you guys just looked over MY post telling you exactly what iGrok was going to do and then notice how he did it. i've already got my vote in for iGrok today but in case you want it here too, ##vote: iGrok. i'm not going to read the thread any more today. i will be out and about. yes, i will probably make some posts on the LoL forum this afternoon because those are much easier to make. watch for people using that as a way to say i'm casting suspicion and then ditching the topic so i don't have to answer questions: these people are mafia. i'll be reading this thread when i get a chance but it takes so much effort to get anyone to believe anything you say. it took me an hour to read up and write this post. imagine if i bothered to do a post-by-post. no thanks. good luck town | ||
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On June 09 2011 05:18 Pyo wrote: well look at who initiated the bandwagoning (not the accusation), the following. As best I can tell (correct me if i'm wrong), but i think he was the first among the "experienced players" to actively advocate someone. However, the fact that no one paid any attention to this post by GGQ, but were reasonably quick to back off of freeloader makes me think that it was mafia that were the meat of rookie's lynching. yes, i agree. that would be consistent with my analysis. the likely scum that voted on jackal's BW are impervous, jimboo, and amazingxckd tata children! | ||
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On June 09 2011 05:30 gtrsrs wrote: i'm not going to read the thread any more today. i meant i'm not going to post in this thread any more today inb4someonecallsmealiarandtriestoLAL | ||
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