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I am not a band wagon/front-runner sir, and I am most definately not mafia as since Day 1 I have been secretly observing people's actions. Upon further review, I believe that Mataza is not mafia. He posted earlier that in order for the Mafia to thrive and be successful, they must lay low. However, he has done quite the opposite and I am starting to think that his "defense" isn't an overreaction to being Mafia but instead just trying to have justice served by having us vote the actual mafia members. I do believe, however, that the correct mafia member is none other than Glygas. Being sly in his ways, he has tricked people to vote against Matiza who he must believe is his biggest threat. Glygas has turned against the two most active players looking to seek justice for the Town in my eyes. He has been accusing people constantly and the time he has defended himself, he just used quotes or responses that were not though out which makes it very hard to find hard evidence. | ||
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I know I don't post very much but I like to keep things simple and clean. Anyone who tried to offvote Glygas is a threat and should be considered as one, hiro protagonist Wunder nard I'm not going to vote anyone yet but I am really only looking at these three people. | ||
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On May 20 2011 01:05 Palmar wrote: Could you provide a link to this explanation. I re-read from the lynch, but really couldn't find it. Are you perhaps confusing Nard with Hiro? Because Nard created a pretty substantial post with his thoughts. Hm....It appears you are correct. I shall continue searching then. Nard did post a substantial post, indeed, not very defensive which I would have liked to see, but definately substantial. I don't really suspect you, Palmer, as I understand your reasoning behind voting me because I was quiet which can be suspicious obviously, and fully understand your reasoning. I'll look back and analyze every post of Hiros and Wunders, i'm sure I can dig up something. | ||
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On May 19 2011 20:01 nard wrote: really interesting day/night turnout. have some free time now to investigate a bit, so here it goes: hiro protagonist: has a medium amount of posts/content on day 1 with a reasonable townie logic. defends viscera during the early FoS'ing between matazar and viscera. he keeps being slightly suspicious of matazar and offered imo the best reasoning for voting on day 1 in light of the last post by viscera we should not forget about the vote on skrammen for a possible read on matazar. least suspicious for me atm. deepblu2: not that active. first posts were pretty meager. kinda suspicious of him, so im gonna quote all posts after the short ones with no content and write my opinion. very careful wording with his suspicion. not too much to say about that post with this post it starts getting interesting. he posts directly after being accused by palmar. a lot of excuses early on, the lamest one being that he cannot be mafia as hes been secretly observing other peoples actions. he retracts his suspicion and is 100% certain of glygas, pretty early on. i have to admit im analyzing after reading visceras big post about matazar sacrificing glygas to get a leader role going. this would fit in perfectly if mafia decided between this and his post before to sacrifice glygas as he was playing too obvious. next post is his vote on glygas, then a quick comment on the successful lynch of glygas. last post until now is the following: + Show Spoiler + There is still time to go.. I think the people who tried to offvote so that Glygas wouldn't be lynched should be taken into strong consideration for obvious reasons. states the obvious and puts the focus on the people not voting for glygas. now if the biggest of em all conspiracies is true and glygas was in fact a sacrificial lamb, we can be pretty sure that we wont find any mafia on the offvoters list (and im not saying that just because im an offvoter :p ) anyways, my conclusion: pretty suspicious (even though he had the proper read on glygas), might be just a mafia newb though. prplhz : so many posts.. claims hes completely new to mafia and posts really nice content afterwards. is suspicious of matazar in the beginning and focuses on him trying to get a leadership role without really accusing anyone, which is bad for the town. also is suspicious of me for my post about 1st post might not be posted in the first few hours of day1 ;( he also had a nice read on viscera & giygas turning on each other, with at least one of them being scum. he first voted skrammen, but what made him the day 1 hero is his last minute switch to giygas which led to his lynch. this makes the whole giygas-sacrifice story either less believable, more lucky for mafia or he himself is mafia. O_O after day1 is over he's warning of viscera, who is kind of a weird guy to analyze.. anyway, without any proper reasoning behind it, i still believe hes one of the good guys rather than being mafia. Palmar: first posts contain no real value, restates the current situation at that time and wants inactives to post. also didnt like my post about 1st posts taking a while :D then he takes a strong stance on matazar being inactive "innocent as new-born baby" - which he revokes later on. skimming through the rest of his (huge amount of) posts, he has a pretty reasonable stance on giygas during all the time. first unsure of him being bad mafia or noob town, he wants to keep him even in case that he's mafia to let him make more mistakes. after the lynch he is quick to analyze that he might be indeed a sacrifice to gain trust and revokes his focus on offvoters. after a quick defense against viscera who goes apeshit on him for changing his mind there were no more posts. im gonna take a break from analyzing here, this took longer then i expected and im far from done.. i will try to post my analysis of the other ppl in this daycycle. already fearing matazars and visceras analysis O_O so many posts.. anyway, keep in mind i read visceras day2 post of being suspicious of matazar just before and i only analyzed by reading all single posts, not the complete thread again and relied on my memory from following the thread earlier.. One thing that makes this wall of text stand out. The two people he defended were Hiro and Purple haze. Hiro has offered nothing beneficial the entire game and is slowing down progress IMO, which if you wouldn't consider suspicious, is just irritating and is not helping Town side. I have no analysis of Karshe dieing, as I don't understand why they would kill him. Hiro defended Glygas, slowed down our progress, has offered no advice pro-town, and the only person really defending him is Nard. Karshe just wanted to lynch inactives so I really don't get what the motive was behind killing him. About purplehaze, a couple of people defended him in the past(and possibly present) such as nard and Palmar. Just a fact to throw out. Karshe was very confident that he would be alive Day 2. So, I'm figuring that the mafia thought he was hiding something (eg: being a cop). Game deciding thing: Whether Mataza will be lynched/killed or not. He's the hardest person to judge as throughout the entire game basically, he's been blamed/defended about 50%/50% so there is really no way of telling whether he is scum or not so I can't really accuse him of anything. Wunder, like Hiro, hasn't really said many useful things, he might be mafia but again, nothing incriminating at the moment. I will post in a bit if I find more. I still have a few things to say but will wait before lynching. Will see how things play out. | ||
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On May 17 2011 12:23 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, here are my thoughts so far, the first two people I gonna talk about are the ones i have the most read on/talked the most o far: VisceraEyes: He was the most active in the first few pages, with most of his post wanting simply for all active players to say hi. Also mentioning not to take suspicions of one another as a bad thing. I can agree with this line of logic, as it will foster a more friendly town, and get in on the scum hunting. His FoS of Mataza looks more like a call for discussion then an actual accusation. my worry is that he is almost TOO town, and is a likely prime hit for Mafia, unless of course he IS Mafia. Mataza: considered the most suspicious as of right now, and with good reasoning. His first post was one of feinting a cop role. and Has been very Defensive initially when VisceraEye ask a question. Then he points the finger right back at VisceraEyes. after that he claims that he "just wanted to see how you would react". However he made a good post about how he wants to talk about what everyone else thinks, and his post are in the vein of scumhunting (when his not busy defending himself). not sure what to think of him tbh. Next up GiygaS, nord, Palmar,: These 3 have the most posts with the least amount of Analysis. most likely town wanting to hang low or wait and see before going into to much discussion. GiygaS has done the most in getting discussion going, expesialy around what VisceraEye and Mataza have been saying. not alot to go on. prplhz: quite at first but then a solid post with good analysis. Deepblue, Steff, Karshe: still need to here more from them. deepblue has gotten in pretty late with just a one liner. gonna watch to see if he is gonna just slide under the modkill, as there are still some inactives, and is laying low(as in acting scummy) thats it for now. On May 18 2011 09:08 hiro protagonist wrote: @VisEyes and while I was posting you say that Jez, I was on board with you Vis, but that's just a lame attitude... On May 18 2011 09:48 hiro protagonist wrote: gonna stay with my line of logic, and vote skrammen. I cant believe more people are not on him given his VERY little content, and insta bandwagon vote. Best case scenario: town votes GiygaS, and he flips scum. We got reason to trust one another and the hunt is in full swing. worst case: GiygaS flips green, and we have lots of suspicions. Very good chance of Mafia breaking up trust and getting us to turn on one another. good no mater what: voting Skrammen. we get ride of a terrible player, and we get a possible read on Mataza. I chose this one. Eather way, Im happy with day one. ##Vote: Skrammen I'd quote the next two posts but all it is saying is "Alright, slow down guys, I'll post my analysis soon." and instead of doing that, you just try to slow down the progress of lynching with the following post. The above quotes might just seem like a wall of text but each of them have alot of things in common. Before the game really getting active, he's instantly pro Glygas and all the other people I really have as my main suspects. Second post, He only starts disagreeing with Vis when he switched votes from Skrammen to Glygas. Which FYI, Skrammen I highly highly highly doubt is mafia as Glygas was the first to lynch him and i was the first to lynch Glygas. When everyone is starting to lynch Glygas, Hiro is obviously just like the other posts, defending him. When he says he's sticking by his original vote, he's really just continuing to defend Glygas. I still have other suspects but what's important is I'm very confident in the fact that Hiro is indeed, Mafia. Fos hiro I'll feel terrible if he isn't but he's made it very obvious in his stance and if he is Town, then he's bad at it. FYI Hiro, congratulations on your almost 200 posts. Maybe your 200th one will be the one where you get lynched. tee hee | ||
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18:01 VisceraEyes -> stefftastiq 18:59 Palmar -> DeepBlue2 19:54 DeepBlue2 -> GiygaS 01:00 Mataza -> GiygaS 01:39 VisceraEyes -> () 02:48 Skrammen -> GiygaS 07:25 GiygaS -> Skrammen 07:35 prplhz -> Skrammen 07:51 VisceraEyes -> prplhz 09:01 VisceraEyes -> () 09:01 VisceraEyes -> GiygaS 09:05 Karshe -> Skrammen 09:48 hiro protagonist -> Skrammen 09:56 Wunder -> Skrammen 09:58 stefftastiq -> GiygaS 10:08 nard -> Skrammen 10:55 prplhz -> () 10:55 prplhz -> GiygaS 11:00 Voting ends I'm figuring this is right as I would hope, even if he was mafia, he wouldn't switch it or anything. He probably didn't though. Glygas's goodbye post said something along the lines of, "we almost had you gg." not exact quote but it dosen't really matter because the fact that he said "We" in the sentence implies that their plan was to offvote him to Skrammen or whatever his name is. 09:48 hiro protagonist -> Skrammen 09:56 Wunder -> Skrammen 10:08 nard -> Skrammen Last 3 people to vote for Skrammen. Their plan obviously was to offvote to him and by him stating, "we almost had them" that was their latest plan. This gives me more reason to believe that not only is Hiro mafia, but their plan was not to intentionally lynch Glygas to make it look like they were town but they were doing their best to make him live. I will probably stick by hiro being mafia, if I change my mind, it will just be who is the 3rd mafia, as I think it's fairly obvious he is the 2nd mafia. | ||
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On May 20 2011 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote: @Blue I think he said "I almost had you" which in itself was peculiar because he clearly wasn't a mastermind of any kind of plan. Yeah, just checked, your right. I could've sworn it said we but whatever. Point still stands. I still believe the mafia communicated w/ eachother and agreed to vote for Skrammen. | ||
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On May 20 2011 09:51 Mataza wrote: Prplhz is not doc, he is scum. I can and I will explain every little detail about my plan once I am sure that we 100% have a cop/do not have a cop. Also as far as voting is concerned: We know Giygas is mafia. He was the first to vote Skrammen. A short time later, but not immediately afterwards, prplhz follows. Skrammen of course was a perfect safe lynch, chosen by mafia. Also consider this: His voting on Skrammen was not his own choice, but apparently Purplehaze´s. ##vote prplhz Only thing that could make me think he is town is a very good analysis or a cop claim. Trust me on this, we didn´t need a blue role day 1, we don´t need a blue day 2. I still think nord or Hiro is one of the mafia, maybe both, if your incorrect that is... I'm kind of stuck as to who to lynch tonight. I agree with your reasoning, but consider, that my reasoning was near identical. While you picked purplehaze because of the timing, 2-3 people who I suspect did the same exact thing basically when it became more clear that that the mafia was trying to save Glygas. 09:48 hiro protagonist -> Skrammen 09:56 Wunder -> Skrammen 10:08 nard -> Skrammen | ||
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On May 20 2011 10:02 Mataza wrote: Why, it makes good sense. We got Giygas without any blue role. And if the maf really has a roleblocker, we could be all townies. If a blue role would be so important that you couldn´t win without it, it wouldn´t be a possible setup. 18:01 VisceraEyes -> stefftastiq 18:59 Palmar -> DeepBlue2 19:54 DeepBlue2 -> GiygaS 01:00 Mataza -> GiygaS 01:39 VisceraEyes -> () 02:48 Skrammen -> GiygaS 07:25 GiygaS -> Skrammen 07:35 prplhz -> Skrammen 07:51 VisceraEyes -> prplhz 09:01 VisceraEyes -> () 09:01 VisceraEyes -> GiygaS 09:05 Karshe -> Skrammen 09:48 hiro protagonist -> Skrammen 09:56 Wunder -> Skrammen 09:58 stefftastiq -> GiygaS 10:08 nard -> Skrammen 10:55 prplhz -> () 10:55 prplhz -> GiygaS 11:00 Voting ends “All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.” -Galileo Galilei | ||
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Mataza if you aren't right about this I will make it my duty to get you lynched. Mafia or not, if you aren't right about this, I'm going to be pissed. | ||
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Good luck people. | ||
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