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Are Phoenixes really the hard counter to Mutas?

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FutureArchon
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States25 Posts
April 04 2011 06:55 GMT
#1
I just tested it.

200/200 Mutas destroyed 200/200 Phoenixes.
Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
April 04 2011 06:56 GMT
#2
so... show the video sir?
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Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 06:57:45
April 04 2011 06:57 GMT
#3
On April 04 2011 15:55 FutureArchon wrote:
I just tested it.

200/200 Mutas destroyed 200/200 Phoenixes.


Uhm... yeah?

But well, you know, micro and such?...

Also, mutalisks get stronger in bigger numbers due to the bounce attack, in small numbers it's different.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
April 04 2011 06:57 GMT
#4
Now micro them and learn to make a better thread next time by following guidelines!
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Fir3fly
Profile Joined May 2009
Australia251 Posts
April 04 2011 06:59 GMT
#5
cool
orotoss
Profile Joined September 2010
United States298 Posts
April 04 2011 07:00 GMT
#6
This is like saying that reapers lose to zealots if you don't micro. Obviously the zealot is going to win if you don't move your reaper.

Please read the forum guidelines before posting.
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calvincible
Profile Joined August 2010
United States19 Posts
April 04 2011 07:00 GMT
#7
is this thread a joke...?

if not, phoenixes outrange mutas and can shoot while moving, so with any semblance of micro, they perform better
entropius
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1046 Posts
April 04 2011 07:00 GMT
#8
This seems highly unlikely.

Assuming 0/0 upgrades on both sides, a mutalisk counting the full bounce attack does 8.6 DPS, and a phoenix does 18 DPS. As upgrade levels climb, the phoenix gets stronger compared to the mutalisk (think about how the bounce attack works...)

The mutalisk has 120 health; the phoenix has 180 total.

As far as those intangibles go that go beyond a-moving: The phoenix is faster, has a longer range, and has moving shot.
moonylo
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany68 Posts
April 04 2011 07:02 GMT
#9
You did a mistake I guess. You have to magic box the phoenix!
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 07:17:35
April 04 2011 07:10 GMT
#10
Were they hallucinated phoenixes by any chance? Because that's the only way this is going to happen.

Edit: And for all the clowns carrying on about micro, please stop encouraging this misinformation. Even on attack move, phoenixes completely destroy mutas at equal supply.
winedz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States92 Posts
April 04 2011 07:10 GMT
#11
small numbers of muta: yes
huge numbers of muta: no, just go for HT + archon
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10382 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 07:12:25
April 04 2011 07:11 GMT
#12
duh? and not in a straight fight >.>

@ winedz

that's pretty wrong, stack the phoenixes and micro and they will still counter...


edit: some of you seem to be forgetting, with good micro mutas cannot catch up to phoenixes; they are a hard hard counter
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.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
April 04 2011 07:13 GMT
#13
if they just a-move then yes mass mutas would win b/c of their splash damage...but if you micro your phoenix perfectly...1 phoenix can kill infinite amount of mutas

if they mass mutas...just go HTs/Cannons/Archons

use blink stalkers in the mean time while you tech to HTs
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 04 2011 07:14 GMT
#14
On April 04 2011 15:55 FutureArchon wrote:
I just tested it.

200/200 Mutas destroyed 200/200 Phoenixes.

What? That's impossible, test again. You must have done something wrong or the upgrades etc. are different. My results are completely different. Even 70 Phoenixes beat 100 mutas with only a-move.
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Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
April 04 2011 07:17 GMT
#15
Good for you!
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