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Please do not go inactive, it only hurts town. We need input and ideas and opinions on people from everyone to prevent mafia from passive play. Even the silliest opinions are better for us than them, since it gives the rest of town something to work with. Every contribution counts.
Let's win this one.
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We didn't actually lynch that many active in that game - lsb being the exception, but it cost them the godfather. Rol getting vigi'd was terrible though...
What does everyone think of the plan proposed by gmarshal? No blue talk and lynching of inactives untill something better comes up? Personally i feel we are neglecting an important subject that can make people open their mouth this way.
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I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you agreeing with the lynching of lurkers or do you see another option?
Is there another option than pressuring and eventually lynching them? Things to look out for regarding lurkers is people like zeks in pyp3, who didn’t post much, but always posted game related stuff, ie. he was following the thread without contributing.
On the other hand, I support any form of activity. In an awnser to Barunders concern about not talking about blues. Yes talking about blues is an easy day 1 discussion starter (we are doing that now), but past day one, be wary about people talking about blues. Talking about blues is a great way to stay non-commital and an easy way for the mafia to say nothing.
Yup I’m trying to create some discussion – GM’s plan won’t be worth much if it’s just him suggesting it and you agreeing.
One major difference between this game and mafia xxxv is we don’t have PM’s, so we won’t have the same problem with town circles. This however means you can’t just be active scumhunting in PM land, you need to post your thoughts in the thread.
Shockeyy, you where laying really low in mafia xxxv, I hope to see more out of you in this game.
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Meh now jumping to another target Pandain? Pressure doesn’t work if it isn’t real, and you basically just switched because Nemesis makes one post arguing against you. I like that you are being offensive, but it has to serve it's purpose, and right now you are all over the place.
Hesmyrr, do you still think your vote on BC is justified, and who else would you vote for now?
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Shockeyy right now you are my favourite suspect. You have promised to add more in this game than last, but so far you have only added short statements, repetition of what others have said, and statements of “I will post more later”.
First real post in thread (fixed quotes for you): + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2011 00:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Meh, the games start really late at night and i work in the morning, so of course i can't post much since im using my phone to do this. Either way trying to see who talks the most and says the stupidest things before i start voting.
This is your first post saying you are busy. Timewise it’s posted straight after Chaoser calling you out on a list of inactives.
Second post after I call you out + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2011 05:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 01:30 Barundar wrote:
Shockeyy, you where laying really low in mafia xxxv, I hope to see more out of you in this game. Of course I was laying low seeing as all the active kids kept dying first, because everyone in that game was so dumb to realize who were the mafia either way. I was dumb as well, but hey it happens. That game actually has showed me a lot more that the way I played mafia back in the day has changed than the way we play it now. And Pandain, if you read the thread, I clearly state I can't post till I get out of work. I will try and post from my phone as much as possible, but that is such a pain in my ass. Either way, I will post some more when I do get home.
First post offering content: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2011 09:24 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 06:11 Nemesis wrote:On January 21 2011 01:47 Pandain wrote:Hello everyone its Pandain the Panda, hoping he won't ruin town again for everyone. And as Pandain always learned when young, the best way to get from A to B when theres a brick wall in front of you is to not go around the wall, but keep on running into it until it breaks! In other news, just some general thoughts: 1.Blue's dont claim unless you are about to be lynched. If you find a red, don't claim. Instead prepare an analysis on him and get him lynched without claiming. If you find green, and they're about to be lynched, express support for him, but don't claim unless its near lylo. 2.I agree we should not let inactives survive in this town. But considering we've hardly started, "inactives" is hardly the word to call them. So let's get things moving. ##Vote NemesisOn January 20 2011 22:08 Nemesis wrote:
@Jackal I wouldn't say that lynching actives is a big mistake. I wasn't paying attention to what happened in XXXVI, but we should lynch scum, and mafia is not always inactive.
And I guess back to the usual first day topic. Lynching inactives. Since lynching a scum is very hard in the very first day. Lynching inactives would be a very good start as it would prevent mafia from lurking.
I'm going to wait a bit for people to talk since the game has just started. What is this? Clarify this for me, because as I understand right now you just said we should lynch scum, and then say we should lynch inactives. Plus I want to see more contribution. Come on people, pressure is pointless if only one person votes. Let's get things moving. Yes, I did say that we should lynch scum, but day 1, it is very hard to actually lynch scum because we don't have a lot of information available to us. Which is why I suggested that we should lynch inactives for the first day. As it has been said before, inactivity is a big problem which we do not want to see in this game. Lynching inactive first day encourages people to participate more in the discussion and be more active which makes it is easier to find mafia, as the more discussion we have as there is more information available to analyze. ##Vote ShockeyyI haven't seen you post anything useful at all so far other than excuses for being inactive and useless one-liners. Wait, you're going to vote for me just because I was at work and clearly stated I wasn't going to be able to post till I get home? Ok let's see what you have posted so far: Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 22:08 Nemesis wrote:
@Jackal I wouldn't say that lynching actives is a big mistake. I wasn't paying attention to what happened in XXXVI, but we should lynch scum, and mafia is not always inactive.
And I guess back to the usual first day topic. Lynching inactives. Since lynching a scum is very hard in the very first day. Lynching inactives would be a very good start as it would prevent mafia from lurking.
I'm going to wait a bit for people to talk since the game has just started. Meh, something that always gets discussed in the first day of the game. "Should we lynch inactives or not? "Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 22:30 Nemesis wrote:On January 20 2011 22:24 Jackal58 wrote:On January 20 2011 22:08 Nemesis wrote:
@Jackal I wouldn't say that lynching actives is a big mistake. I wasn't paying attention to what happened in XXXVI, but we should lynch scum, and mafia is not always inactive.
And I guess back to the usual first day topic. Lynching inactives. Since lynching a scum is very hard in the very first day. Lynching inactives would be a very good start as it would prevent mafia from lurking.
I'm going to wait a bit for people to talk since the game has just started. I would argue that lynching the most active players on day 1 is a mistake. Unless of course active player A states "I am scum" which probably isn't going to happen. Duh, of course lynching the most active player day 1 is not the best idea ever (I suggested lynching inactives), but I am saying that we shouldn't be afraid to lynch active players. We shouldn't focus too much on what blues should do. We don't know what blue roles there are and blues will do what they think is best anyways. We should just focus more on scumhunting than whatever blue plans. More of the same stuff everyone post on day one... When do people ever learn that this won't get you by. You're basically repeating what everyone has stated before you and will state after you. Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 06:11 Nemesis wrote:On January 21 2011 01:47 Pandain wrote:Hello everyone its Pandain the Panda, hoping he won't ruin town again for everyone. And as Pandain always learned when young, the best way to get from A to B when theres a brick wall in front of you is to not go around the wall, but keep on running into it until it breaks! In other news, just some general thoughts: 1.Blue's dont claim unless you are about to be lynched. If you find a red, don't claim. Instead prepare an analysis on him and get him lynched without claiming. If you find green, and they're about to be lynched, express support for him, but don't claim unless its near lylo. 2.I agree we should not let inactives survive in this town. But considering we've hardly started, "inactives" is hardly the word to call them. So let's get things moving. ##Vote NemesisOn January 20 2011 22:08 Nemesis wrote:
@Jackal I wouldn't say that lynching actives is a big mistake. I wasn't paying attention to what happened in XXXVI, but we should lynch scum, and mafia is not always inactive.
And I guess back to the usual first day topic. Lynching inactives. Since lynching a scum is very hard in the very first day. Lynching inactives would be a very good start as it would prevent mafia from lurking.
I'm going to wait a bit for people to talk since the game has just started. What is this? Clarify this for me, because as I understand right now you just said we should lynch scum, and then say we should lynch inactives. Plus I want to see more contribution. Come on people, pressure is pointless if only one person votes. Let's get things moving. Yes, I did say that we should lynch scum, but day 1, it is very hard to actually lynch scum because we don't have a lot of information available to us. Which is why I suggested that we should lynch inactives for the first day. As it has been said before, inactivity is a big problem which we do not want to see in this game. Lynching inactive first day encourages people to participate more in the discussion and be more active which makes it is easier to find mafia, as the more discussion we have as there is more information available to analyze. ##Vote ShockeyyI haven't seen you post anything useful at all so far other than excuses for being inactive and useless one-liners. Now back to this... You seemed pretty active in the beginning of the game and then leave for about 40 post and come back instantly voting for me even though I haven't even had a chance to actually type anything. Great job... You just gained a lot more suspicion to yourself than anybody else could. Either way, I'm not voting till tomorrow, but for now I'm going to be watching you will be writing out and timing them.
I like the decisiveness in this post, but there is a few problems with it. First of all you get called out, and go straight after your attacker. Secondly you aren’t adding anything to Pandain’s analysis, basicly you are just repeating his arguments. You also again mention you don’t have time to write anything, and people questioning are suspicious per default.
Next: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2011 09:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 09:13 LSB wrote:
I'm going to ignore the Nemesis issue right now. I have made a decision on the bandwagon I want to see where it goes before I say anything.
Remember, although we are talking about lynching inactives, there are only two people I see that are in danger of being inactive. ShoCkeyy likes to lurk, and Chaoser can disappear at times (well, Chaoser had an excuse).
Lurker- Avoids positions, attention, and tries to pretend that he is contributing, but really isn't. For example, Annul was technically a lurker in XXXV (Notice that besides answering questions, he did not comment on anything else). Generally Mafia
Inactive- Doesn't post besides a "sorry, I'm inactive". Defiantly Ainti-town.
I'm cool with killing both Lurkers and Inactives. But remember, the Inactive kill is more of a policy lynch, while the Lurker kill should only accompany analysis proving that the lurker is mafia. I'm going to try and be as active as possible this game since I don't really have to fly out of town, lol... But either way, I usually lurk in the mornings while I'm at work to try and keep up with the thread.
Another 1 liner promising us more, and admitting to lurking.
And lastly+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2011 11:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 10:53 Nemesis wrote:On January 21 2011 06:50 Pandain wrote:On January 21 2011 06:11 Nemesis wrote:On January 21 2011 01:47 Pandain wrote:Hello everyone its Pandain the Panda, hoping he won't ruin town again for everyone. And as Pandain always learned when young, the best way to get from A to B when theres a brick wall in front of you is to not go around the wall, but keep on running into it until it breaks! In other news, just some general thoughts: 1.Blue's dont claim unless you are about to be lynched. If you find a red, don't claim. Instead prepare an analysis on him and get him lynched without claiming. If you find green, and they're about to be lynched, express support for him, but don't claim unless its near lylo. 2.I agree we should not let inactives survive in this town. But considering we've hardly started, "inactives" is hardly the word to call them. So let's get things moving. ##Vote NemesisOn January 20 2011 22:08 Nemesis wrote:
@Jackal I wouldn't say that lynching actives is a big mistake. I wasn't paying attention to what happened in XXXVI, but we should lynch scum, and mafia is not always inactive.
And I guess back to the usual first day topic. Lynching inactives. Since lynching a scum is very hard in the very first day. Lynching inactives would be a very good start as it would prevent mafia from lurking.
I'm going to wait a bit for people to talk since the game has just started. What is this? Clarify this for me, because as I understand right now you just said we should lynch scum, and then say we should lynch inactives. Plus I want to see more contribution. Come on people, pressure is pointless if only one person votes. Let's get things moving. Yes, I did say that we should lynch scum, but day 1, it is very hard to actually lynch scum because we don't have a lot of information available to us. Which is why I suggested that we should lynch inactives for the first day. As it has been said before, inactivity is a big problem which we do not want to see in this game. Lynching inactive first day encourages people to participate more in the discussion and be more active which makes it is easier to find mafia, as the more discussion we have as there is more information available to analyze. ##Vote ShockeyyI haven't seen you post anything useful at all so far other than excuses for being inactive and useless one-liners. I don't like this post either. Let's take a look at it. First off, lynching inactives itself is a bad strategy. I shall be lenient to him because even I make this mistake, but lynching inactives is a horrible thing to do. When we say "lynch inactives", we mean "lynch lurkers." We want to differentiate the lurkers from the inactives/bored. You are just arguing semantics here. Besides, you can't exactly tell a lurker from an inactive unless they make it obvious.If we say we'll lynch the inactives, the inactives won't respond. IF we say we'll lynch the inactives, the bored won't really respond. Only the mafia will respond if we say lynch the inactives. Which is why you never want to end up LYNCHING an inactive, just pressuring all of them to post. If they don't respond, that does not necessarily mean that they are bored townies. Just take a look at TMM3. Subversion(he was red that game) claimed he was roleblocked, and then disappeared afterwards. There were plenty of FoS on him after that, and he was up for lynch next day, but he still didn't respond. It is pretty much impossible to tell the difference between a lurker and an inactive townie.Furthormore, he just repeated information without actually adding anything to it. Finally he goes for the "easy" kill. There was pretty much nothing else that people were discussing about. I gave my opinion on what we were currently talking about. What else could I have added to the discussion? It is not like anyone else was trying to generate new topic. At least I was trying to further the discussion.
I just woke up, I was still half-asleep when I checked this forum. I rather dislike it when town loses because everyone is inactive, and when I saw Shockeyy post "sorry I'm inactive, I promise I'll be active later," I wanted to pressure him to make sure that he actually keeps his promise and doesn't disappear as soon as we forget about him.This is typical mafia to me. I now offer Nemesis as a viable option for a real lynch. Yes? I don't see anything wrong with what he posted, it's quite true.
1 liner, doesn’t add anything.
It’s been at least 24 hours without you adding anything that hasn’t been said by others. You can’t have been working the whole time. Last game you spend tunnelling the active townie Pandain the whole game, distrubting the town discussion to a point where I considered stopping defending Pandain, just so we could go back to scumhunting. Even if you aren’t scum, I have no problem offing you on day 1.
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You also again mention you don’t have time to write anything, and people questioning are suspicious per default.
EBWODP: You also again mention you don't have time to write anything, and that people questioning you are suspecious per default.
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Right now our votes are too spread out, with new candidates popping up, and people voting for themself. I’m going to go with Shockeyy, who I think has tried laying low the most, and who I feel will be the least usefull for the town in the long run.
##Vote Shockeyy
I think however it’s too early to try and look for obvious connections between players, if anything, mafia xxxv taught me to take one lynch at a time. Pandain is hardly linked to Shockeyy just by stating his opinion on him, but let’s see what happens when we get close to lynch...
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On January 22 2011 10:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 10:07 Barundar wrote:
Right now our votes are too spread out, with new candidates popping up, and people voting for themself. I’m going to go with Shockeyy, who I think has tried laying low the most, and who I feel will be the least usefull for the town in the long run.
##Vote Shockeyy
I think however it’s too early to try and look for obvious connections between players, if anything, mafia xxxv taught me to take one lynch at a time. Pandain is hardly linked to Shockeyy just by stating his opinion on him, but let’s see what happens when we get close to lynch...
Laying low? Have you seen my post above? If anybody is laying low it's you Mr. 4 post in this thread alone.
It's not about the nr of posts...
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To be honest I agree. LSB voted for Shockeyy as an indirect FoS on Pandain, which seems like false logic to me. Shockeyy would be the perfect easy target for mafia, and LSB seems to have tried to bandwagon him without letting Shockeyy defend himself. Lastly it seems like noone has stepped forward to defend Shockeyy, except Pandain...
##Vote LSB
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The only thing worrying me about LSB's lynch is that barundar just suddenly changed from "I'ma do two analysis on shockkey, he's mafia", to "shockkey is just the easy lynch, let's vote lsb."
I changed vote because there was noone defending Shockeyy. A bunch of people came out to post suddenly when the pressure lifted. I'm glad we avoided a tie, but there was a bunch of lurkers that suddenly popped up when the lynch wasn't already settled.
Mafia was way too happy letting Shockeyy die.
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Regarding my vote switch, lack of activity around the day 2 key for a late switch onto annul in mafia xxxv. The sudden activity when LSB was actually pressured makes me regret it didn’t get through.
We spend a whole day discussing inactives, without getting any better candidates than Shockeyy. In my opinion we needed to make something happen, and hope for a mafia reaction. I picked LSB over Gmarshal beceause of his reasons for voting Shockeyy:+ Show Spoiler + On January 22 2011 03:55 LSB wrote:
I'm going to support the Shockkey lynch because
1) Indirect FoS on Pandain.
Pandain has detracted from his initial posts on activity back in XXXV, one possible explanation could be that Pandain is on a scum team with an inactive, shockeyy.
[…] On January 22 2011 05:38 LSB wrote:
I'm going to say I don't like Pandain's butterfly flirting around the issue. He isn't actually committing to any position, besides lets not lynch shockeyy.
How about we lynch shockeyy and see what Pandain thinks????
:D!
It struck me as suspicious that he would vote Shockeyy, while suspecting Pandain. Firstly, the connection was too flimsy to be of real value, Shockeyy had simply used some of Pandain’s arguments, while Pandain had stated his opinion on Shockeyy. Secondly a mislynch could easily be explained as just a way of testing Pandain.
Add to this that my initial analysis of Pandain is town. His playstyle resembles that from my last game with him, plenty of finger pointing and last minute vote switches, while trying to lead the town. All that’s missing is a fake claim. While it’s a moot point, I don’t see a reason for a mafia to draw attention to himself like that.
Lastly I have had to /out of mafia xxxvi due to time constraints, but I'm doing my best to be active in this.
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We can't allow discussion to die out like this. Nemesus was one of the lurkers that came out of hiding during yesterdays voting, and gmarshal didn't comment at all. I find it really strange that noone seemed to give attention to the posts against gmarshal.
Gmarshal i apreciate your analysis on pandain, but what are your thoughts on tonights lynch?
Nemesus whats with the lurking?
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Posting from airport, should be home in time for tonight. Quick thoughts:
- Since it's quite possibly lylo, dt should claim if he has found red. Another night of check won't help us if we have already lost. Also please stop us if we are about to lynch someone you have found town. Personally i doubt we have any dt's, but hey...
- It appears Gmarshal claimed to have gotten roleblocked, so we should probably not look at lynching him tonight. We have atleast 2 other reds to look into.
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On January 25 2011 01:14 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 00:50 Barundar wrote:
Posting from airport, should be home in time for tonight. Quick thoughts:
- Since it's quite possibly lylo, dt should claim if he has found red. Another night of check won't help us if we have already lost. Also please stop us if we are about to lynch someone you have found town. Personally i doubt we have any dt's, but hey...
- It appears Gmarshal claimed to have gotten roleblocked, so we should probably not look at lynching him tonight. We have atleast 2 other reds to look into. Who do ya have in mind as the 3rd one? In my mind it's Pandain #1. Nobody is that unlucky.
My analysis of him is town, his play style is similar to mafia xxxv with plenty of finger pointing and vote switching. Even the being wrong part is similar. Unless he screws up majorly I'm convinced that this is just his town play.
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##vote nemesis
Im going to go with my gut. Where the hell is ggq?
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On January 25 2011 12:19 kitaman27 wrote:So you're saying you were trying to tie up the vote after you saw my vote?
Saying fml.
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