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On December 27 2010 12:57 bumatlarge wrote: 5 votes in thirty minutes for pandain. Thats a bit unsettling. But it will give us something to work with. Exactly. Also, much as I love polarized votes, and I figure we should force one as frequently as possible, it's a mistake to read too much into them. Often, especially on the first day, the accused are just a batch of greens. Mafia are pretty good about not being the inactive the town decides to target. Which is why we should pick people like Pandain, put them on the spot, see if they sweat, and move on if they don't. Eventually, we'll have two good candidates, force votes on either/or, and then work from there. But by no means is one list all mafia, and the other not. Early information is good, but it needs to be given the respect (or lack of respect) that it deserves. | ||
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Basically, we need to hear from people. Inactive towns do not last. LSB and Annul are having a cute little back and forth, which is productive, but it needs to happen tenfold. So Pandain, we want to hear from you. | ||
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Two things that strike me, after just skimming the thread. The first is that we shouldn't settle on a Day 2 lynch too quickly, remember, we don't know anything yet. We just think we do. And that's somewhat dangerous. The second thing is that a quick search of my name turned up only a few references in this thread. I'm not publicity hungry, but that's a problem because (1) I've been completely non-existant for a host of hours. and (2) I haven't contributed anything solid, besides an attempt to get Pandain to speak that failed because Pandain is smart and I didn't have the time to devote to it. If the town simply failed to notice a guy with a custom icon not showing up in the thread, then we're letting other people off the hook too. And while I intend to participate because apparently a bunch of people thought LSB was mafia for reasons that completely elude me, others will continue to lurk, and continue to slip under the radar. More on this later, call me out and pm me as well, more evidence is good. | ||
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On December 30 2010 06:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright I have a new idea for the hatters. I have decided on a third person upon talking with someone and I believe he is right. The three people we should put bombs on tonight should be Seraph, Insanious, and Annul. The way I will organize this to avoid overlapping as much as possible is follows. If you are on the player list between 1-10 please place your bomb on Seraph, if you are 11-20 please place your bomb on Insanious, and if you are on the player list for 21-30 please place your bomb on Annul. This is very important in case one of you gets hit tonight. I have very strong suspicions that these players are mafia. Annul's case upon reflection picked up steam faster than it should of even with LSB's odd defense and aggression. It could of just been a mafia pushing forward a bandwagon to get rid of a decent player in LSB, but we agreed it felt a little off even so. So once again. When madhatters read this place your bombs accordingly. If you are in the player list between any of the following numbers place your bomb to the corresponding players. 1-10 place on Seraph 11-20 place on Insanious 21-30 place on Annul Hatters should use their own judgment on who to place bombs on. Bomb placements should not be predictable. You cannot say I have very strong suspicions that these players are mafia. And then barely justify the suspicions of only one of these three players. Explain your FoS on each of these players, and let the hatters decide for themselves. We're not letting people get away with FoS if they're not willing or able to explain why. | ||
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On December 30 2010 07:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright, so hatters ignore this tree hugger guy. On top of that I have justified my suspicions. But just for you I will do it again. Seraph play is characterized by indecision and feigned activity. On top of that all he ever really talked about was pointless shit and kept trying to push stupid shit like lynching inactives. I have an analysis on him on Page 25 if you would like to read it. Insanious during the hours before the lynch of LSB tried bandwagoning the shit out of brockit claiming he "knew" LSB was blue and how stupid we were being. The analysis on him although much shorter is a few pages back on 32 iirc. No one should EVER be so sure that someone is blue. On top of just being sure he NEVER gave a good reason to want to switch which leads me to believe his intention was never to actually switch the vote, but to make it APPEAR that he wanted to switch the vote away from someone who was blue. On top of that, even though he seriously didn't want to lynch LSB he ignored my Seraph analysis which if he used that might of switched the lynch away from LSB. I believe the reason he didn't use the Seraph analysis was because Seraph is his mafia buddy AND he had no true intention to divert the lynch. You can see similar play being used by me and Insane Mafia in regards to dealing with pandain. I actively pushed for pandains lynch but never hard enough to actually change anything. He just did it a lot more shitty. When it comes to Annul, I was really trying to find another candidate who I could put up as a MH bomb because when I divide the player list by 3 instead of 2 it GREATLY reduces the chance of overlapping bombs. On top of that the way Annul got support is a little fishy, I need to do more analysis on it but it is still extremely strange. The bandwagon IMO should never have been so lopsided in favor of LSB even though I think LSB was suspicious, it is really hard to gather a following on a day 1 lynch UNLESS you are mafia. With that justification and an indepth analysis of Annul being very time consuming at the moment I would prefer to put a bomb on him while doing a further analysis later. I hope that meets your approval for my justification. No need to get testy, that's all I'm looking for. MH bombs shouldn't be directed by anyone else, because that's too easy for mafia to manipulate. If we left it up to the town or random people with plans to determine where the bombs went, then they'd land on townies every single time. MH needs to use their own judgment because your direction, or anyone else's is open to mafia interference. Also, if the mafia looked at your list, and knew that none of them were threatened, then that would relieve a large load from their shoulders, and clear the path for blue sniping. | ||
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Annul however exposed himself greatly in tunneling on LSB, which wasn't really a necessary move so early on, even if Pandain (the vote leader at the time) is mafia. That's not really mafia behavior, that's townie v. townie early game shenanigans. Does this mean that Annul is definitely a townie? Of course not, I could easily be wrong. The mistake made in the first day was to bite on the analysis. If somebody is tunneling in on someone with mere innuendo and perceived evidence the town's role should be to break this mental lock, not buy into it. When you get into the situation where "He's defending himself angrily! Just like scum" and "He's not defending himself very much! Just like scum!" are the two options, then we need to back up and re-evaluate what the evidence is. A couple people pm'd me about who I suspected. Hell if I know. I have a list, but that doesn't mean my list is better than anyone else's. But here's what needs to happen. 1. Publicly list your FoS. It's not enough to say "I don't think X is mafia" or spend your posts debating the previous day. A successful town is a town that isn't afraid to put people on the spot. We can't just get lucky, the more people we can put on the spot, the better. For example, Pandain is leading the voting so far, I think. A convincing reason why would be nice. As for me, I'd like to hear from George Clooney, who's full posting history consists of On December 28 2010 14:33 GeorgeClooney wrote: I'm active, and I'm a noob, so i'm just reading! On December 28 2010 14:33 GeorgeClooney wrote: And sorry, going to contribute once I get his whole logic thing of mine going On December 29 2010 21:14 GeorgeClooney wrote: I'm properly going to vote Paindrain when day begins, cause he won't make up his mind. I thought lynching ESB was a retarded move, he would have roleclaimed after, and for god sakes he was a Vet. He could of established a town circle, nor was he scummy after the other guy (forgot his name) decided to bit his ass and not let go. Lets hope its not another blue lol. By the way, I want to start a town circle. Ofcourse i'm not going to lead this, but I ain't mafia, and I want to win a game lol. Straight forward. Anyone else for a town circle? Not good enough. 2. Call out inactives. There are mafia among the inactives. There are always mafia amid the inactives. If we force inactives to post, we stand a better chance of cutting down mafia KP early on. The DT can check the active players without an issue. The inactives deserve town attention. | ||
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On December 31 2010 07:33 seRapH wrote: Soulfire Few points here: He’s new, he doesn’t want to out himself, and hands lurkers the excuse of not caring. First point isn’t incriminating, but the other two are pretty notable. Ok, fine, Pandain wagon was bullshit, I have no clue why anyone joined it at all, town or not. What I do find interesting is that apparantly Pandain is "pretty damn helpful" while LSB, evidently, has not been. I don’t really get this. I’m thinking that if we can get Soulfire lynched or nightkilled then annul can be cleared of most suspicions. Once again he pushes lynching lurkers too. Also, people don’t switch roles midway (or at least not in this setup), so a change in character indicates they’re either dodging an accusation or real life problems. Completely dodges the LSB/Annul situation by going for a new bandwagon on brocket. Also staying under the radar by following pandain quite closely: Conclusion: Very likely scum. Not too many posts at all, and none of them offering any original insight. imo this is a better lynch than anyone else so far, but Mr Wiggles earns second place. If Soulfire dodges the lynch then I’d at least like someone to DT check him. Just looks confused to me. I'm not sure I understand where you've parsed the line between new player and scum in this instance. He's made no attempts to say anything substantive, he's made no attempt to influence the town, he's made no attempt to add to the conversation. It's like he's been talking to himself. | ||
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On December 31 2010 05:56 Barundar wrote: Anyone else with thoughts on option for double lynch? I personally think it's too early yet, atleast untill we get a better idea of targets for today. Why would you even bring this up? Day 2 double lynch when we have no good targets? Are you just trying to fill space? | ||
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Wish I had fought for your side of the story LSB. | ||
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So why is GeorgeClooney alive? He needs to get vigi hit. Also, I'm reprising my vote from the last round on Mepak, and adding in Darth. | ||
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On January 05 2011 01:06 Jackal58 wrote: I say we lynch you just so we don't have to read part 2. Mafia has nothing to lose at this point apparently. Mepak and Darth tonight, and GC can be our crutch. | ||
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On January 05 2011 04:01 d3_crescentia wrote: I think GC is a better candidate than Darth right now, actually. Any thoughts on switching? Maybe, but GC isn't going anywhere. We'll take him out tomorrow if we don't have any more important targets. | ||
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On January 08 2011 10:01 ShoCkeyy wrote: End votes now!!! I want to see if seraph is really red -- And yet, you're voting for Pandain? | ||
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14 v 3. Inactivity has killed more reds than the town (2-1) and as many blues as the mafia. (1-1) Classic. | ||
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